How did Atta's passport actually survive?

a reply to: kyleplatinum

Because the tower’s floor connections to the vertical columns could only handle the dynamic load equivalent to the mass of 7 floors hitting the decking. Since the top 12 floors of one tower and the 29 top floors of the other tower collapse into the structure below, the floor connections sheared or bent.

The floor system completely collapsed, while core columns stood whole seconds before tumbling over.

Glad to see you don’t understand the collapse of the towers at all. Or what the video of the collapsing towers actually shows.

a reply to: kyleplatinum

No, the passport actually has creases and looks like it was crumpled at some point.

So a false argument by you.

One, cite a source it was wet from jet fuel. Crude, but the smell of a fart does not mean a person pooped their pants.

Two, what happens when you throw a piece of paper at a window as opposed to an egg? The egg will break. What indications will the piece of paper have it hit a window?

originally posted by: kyleplatinum

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kyleplatinum

But pieces of building will collide. Like to explain how a simple Newton’s Cradle works?

THE SCIENCE BEHIND NEWTON'S CRADLE
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Or if collisions between solid objects do not create changes in direction, then how does a simple game of billiards work.

Objects falling straight down on another causes them to eject laterally?? The tower and the floors are not round billiard balls.

Why would there be no collisions between falling pieces of building, bumping into each other, hitting static floors, and hitting static structural steel resulting in changes of direction?

a reply to: neutronflux

Glad to see you don’t understand the collapse of the towers at all. Or what the video of the collapsing towers actually shows.

Ok, lol... Glad to see you don't understand what hollow means, but keeps pushing that to validate your theory of the super brittle hollow twin tower collapse.

How about addressing or answering the issue with the passport. Why is it in perfect condition after being in an airplane crash and blown out of a explosion/building and soaked in jet fuel?

a reply to: neutronflux

Why would it be bullshlt?
Mainly because comparing any other jet
plane crash in history to planes crashing
into a gigantic enclosed structure and
disintagrating is just more bullshlt.
You can't cover up bullshlt with more
bullshlit. Surely you're intelligent
enough to contemplate the difference and
the dimished odds to the power of infinity?
In regards to a document making it from
within two enclosures and down to the
street facing still more ridiculous odds
from there?

a reply to: neutronflux

One, cite a source it was wet from jet fuel. Crude, but the smell of a fart does not mean a person pooped their pants.

Ok, from FBI report.... Soaked in jet fuel.

files.abovetopsecret.com...
Please keep up!

No, the passport actually has creases and looks like it was crumpled at some point.

Are you kidding me, that passport is pristine! "crumpled up" lol.

You are so dis-info it's scary.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kyleplatinum

No, the passport actually has creases and looks like it was crumpled at some point.

So a false argument by you.

One, cite a source it was wet from jet fuel. Crude, but the smell of a fart does not mean a person pooped their pants.

Two, what happens when you throw a piece of paper at a window as opposed to an egg? The egg will break. What indications will the piece of paper have it hit a window?

You are comparing throwing a piece of paper at a window with a passport that went through a plane crash, a really high drop, and debris falling on top of it? The passport would have to be magic to survive in mint condition.

a reply to: neutronflux

So a false argument by you.

Just because you spout this off all the time doesn't mean it is correct.

I give facts and visual evidence and you say "false argument by you" ... doesn't work that way.

a reply to: kyleplatinum

Ok. So what does soaked mean?

Two, it was the statement of a witness. Not a listed condition of the checked in evidence. Is that a false statement? You are the one saying it looks brand new? When in fact it is creased and looks to have been crumpled.

Again, there are numerous examples of passports surviving jet crashes. Even one’s knocked out of the sky by missile.

And finally, the passport was not the only items not burnt from the jet littering the street.

I don’t know what to tell you. Yes, it is odd it was a hijackers passport. But in context.

Is it false it was not the only wreckage in the street from the jet.

Is it false it was not the only personal effect recovered from flight 11.

Is it false in that it wasn’t the only ID recovered from the WTC? Hundreds of IDs were recovered from the ruble.

Is it false that passports have a history of surviving jet crashes?

Why would jet fuel make a passport unreadable?

a reply to: kyleplatinum

Bottom line, you have a oddity from a chaotic day. And it is documented passports do survive crashes. A oddity that has no bearing on the video evidence of the towers collapse.

originally posted by: Thoseaintcontrails

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kyleplatinum

No, the passport actually has creases and looks like it was crumpled at some point.

So a false argument by you.

One, cite a source it was wet from jet fuel. Crude, but the smell of a fart does not mean a person pooped their pants.

Two, what happens when you throw a piece of paper at a window as opposed to an egg? The egg will break. What indications will the piece of paper have it hit a window?

You are comparing throwing a piece of paper at a window with a passport that went through a plane crash, a really high drop, and debris falling on top of it? The passport would have to be magic to survive in mint condition.

As long as the passport stayed ahead of the flame front, or did not have sufficient contact with the fire ball, how should it look? Like a piece of paper thrown at a window?

For something to burn, it must have oxygen, heat, fuel, and the chemical reaction that is fire. If the passport was in the cockpit, it would have easily survived as the jet passed out the other side of the tower.

a reply to: kyleplatinum

By the why, funny the FBI is believable when it suits the conspiracists.

So, I guess all the FBI evidence pointing to 19 terrorists causing the damage on 9/11 is credible. And all the witnesses statements there is no evidence of CD at the WTC?

I was fixin to ask....

where's neutronflush when we need him.....been a while now ya hear!!!

a reply to: kyleplatinum

You do understand that that you just legitimized the FBI concerning 9/11 by invoking them, and you are fighting tooth and nail over an oddity that has no impact on the actual collapse mechanism of the towers. Other than the specific person it belongs, it’s not even odd a passport survived a jet crash. Funny how it’s all about context, and a truth movement that hides facts.

a reply to: neutronflux

Are you ignoring my post?

a reply to: neutronflux

Ok. So what does soaked mean?

Extremely wet; saturated.

Two, it was the statement of a witness. Not a listed condition of the checked in evidence. Is that a false statement?

It was documented in the chronology of events.
If you look at the last column which is the source column it states a serial number, that means evidence. It doesn't state "public source".
files.abovetopsecret.com...

By the why, funny the FBI is believable when it suits the conspiracists.

Did I say it's believable? The reason of posting it is because it's NOT believable. They say it was soaked in jet fuel, but visually it does not add up.

You are the one saying it looks brand new? When in fact it is creased and looks to have been crumpled.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net... Where are the creases, how does it look crumpled?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kyleplatinum

You do understand that that you just legitimized the FBI concerning 9/11 by invoking them, and you are fighting tooth and nail over an oddity that has no impact on the actual collapse mechanism of the towers. Other than the specific person it belongs, it’s not even odd a passport survived a jet crash. Funny how it’s all about context, and a truth movement that hides facts.

Please read above post.

I don't believe them.

a reply to: kyleplatinum

Again, cite the FBI evidence log that lists the condition of the passport? And if the passport was wetted by jet fuel, wouldn’t action be taken to protect the passport against the jet fuel? To stabilize the passport for storage?

Two, it looks worn and used to me. And if you look above the main crease in the passport, it is distorted from being soaked in a liquid. There is a line where the paper was not wetted, below that line and above the main crease, the colors are distorted from being wetted. The liquid damage extends in to the stamped date. The part in the stamp affected by the liquid damage, the lettering is faded. The lettering is not as bold. And the liquid damage bleeds down below the main crease.

Above the picture is a distortion on the edge of the laminate that could be a start of a crease. Glare and being a 2D picture, small creases would be hidden.

The edges of the pages looks dirty and worn. I was not exactly accurate, but you are way of on “passport looks brand new”. Way off on “zero damage.” And it is evident the passport was wetted by a liquid at some time.

Any more false narratives?

a reply to: neutronflux

Address my post or concede !

a reply to: kyleplatinum

Again, can you link to the actual FBI log that describes the condition of the evidence? Can you prove the passport was not restored for a lack of a better term to prevent the jet fuel having devastating effects on the passport in storage?

And it is obvious the passport was wetted at some point? And worn.

And all this over nothing to do with the actual video evidence of the towers collapse.

So sad.

Now...

I don’t know what to tell you. Yes, it is odd it was a hijackers passport. But in context.

Is it false it was not the only wreckage in the street from the jet.

Is it false it was not the only personal effect recovered from flight 11.

Is it false in that it wasn’t the only ID recovered from the WTC? Hundreds of IDs were recovered from the rubble.

Is it false that passports have a history of surviving jet crashes?

Why would jet fuel make a passport unreadable?