Hugo Chavez speaking at the UN Against American Imperialism and Bush the Devil

I wish to quote a democrat that said this.

"Don't come to the United States and think, because we have problems with our president, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," New York Rep. Charles Rangel said in remarks delivered on Capitol Hill.

This is one of the first democrat statement I agree with 100% since I don't remember.

[edit on 21-9-2006 by spinstopshere]

The way I see it, if one person publicly voices concern that the Bush administration is a danger to global peace, then that guy may be a nut job.
If two people say it, it's a conspiracy.
Three people say it, it's political bashing.
Four people say it, it's a divided debate.

But when you can no longer count how many people are saying the same thing, it might just be true.



I didn't word that very well but you get the point.

He isn't bashing America first of all...Look into what he is saying..I love my country to but I be damned if I love the people running it. He in no way implied that the common American person is anything but normal. I don't want to send our guys off to fight battles that a buncha old farts sitting around a room geared up reasons for going to war. He was speaking to president Bush and the administration and I don't feel insulted cause he dis-agrees with the leadership. # I feel great that you can still speak your mind in America cause if Bush has his way we'll all be flashing national I.D. cards to buy a candy bar.

IF YOU REALLY THINK CHAVEZ IS BAD FOR AMERICA. Why did allt he media channels not cover ALL of his live speech today where danny glover spoke and was present. Why are they censoring his side of the story this is a democracy. and when they only cover one side of the story or what htey want you to watch that is censorship and thus a conspiriacy. This whole media is a sham

Don't let pride (who this guys is, or where he comes from) diminish the importance of what he said.

I think his comments towards Bush, albeit extreme was not at all unwarranted. Bush is, as far as I can see the "Terror President" - That's all he talks about, and that's all he is preoccupied with. Evil, terror, war and security. He continually breaks international law, and legislates away the freedom of his own people by exploiting the acts of 9/11.

Mr. Chavez in his address speaks of the recent social and economic advances in Venezuela, as the people have gained better access to education, healthcare, economic growth and for the impoverished-food.

I'm confused how a small country like Venezuela can afford programs of development for its people, when the world's super power and wealthiest economy cannot? Is it just a matter of values? Do the American people not want these things? Or is war in the name of pre-emptive self defense more important?






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[edit on 21-9-2006 by nyrie]

Originally posted by subz
I also viewed President Chavez's "Devil" and "Sulfur" remarks as an ironic reference to the overtly religious phrases President Bush just loves to use in his own speeches.

They were meant to be absurd religious inferences because those coming from President Bush ARE absurd. His whole "Axis of Evil" and "God told me" speeches are completely absurd, and President Chavez pointed that out in a lampooning fashion.

I absolutely agree, plus Chavez was making his remarks at a first grade level because thats all bush can understand.

i think this deserves reposting:

Originally posted by Athenion
Until the IMF and World Bank stop lending third world countries money at a higher interest rate than they can ever repay, causing them to spiral further into debt; until we stop overthrowing democratically elected leaders because they don't have american-centric foreign and economic policies; until we stop sponsoring death squads; until our intelligence agencies stop staging terror attacks; until we learn that we are not the only people on this planet who deserve to have an opinion, and that those who disagree with us will be looking down the barrel of a gun, we will not have peace in this world.

After the cold war, no other country had the power to lead the planet into better times than the USA: if the USA had maintained unbiased media, invested in renewable energy, ploughed it's resources into bettering the planet rather than controlling it, the world would have willingly followed. The world once looked to the USA, now it turns away. What a wasted opportunity, but I don't hold any faith that a bloc of post-third world countries will do any better.

Originally posted by MacDonagh
So is everyone in uproar because of the incendiary comments or because of the mention that everybody should read Chomsky? I find his work difficult to get into. He does make some good points, but I doubt every American will read his work.


As Jacque Chirac once said about Bush "He's so stupid, it's amazing he can eat stuff." Or something along those lines...

Noam Chomsky is such a poser! He decries the failings of American capitalism but won't post his writings online. I've read some of his books and find them rather stuffy. Typically socialist and dogmatic,too. He has only one or two valid points about American politics but those same points could also be applied to both Europe or China for that matter. He rarely speaks in public for free except to promote his books. He's always comes off arrogant and condescending when I've seen or heard him speak on radio or TV. While certain people on the left or right coasts might think him brilliant, I think he's just tiring and in love with his own cleverness.

Originally posted by crgintx
Noam Chomsky is such a poser! He decries the failings of American capitalism but won't post his writings online.

Umm... come again?
You obviously didn't lookk very hard if you've had trouble finding Mr. Chomsky's work posted on-line. His offical web page is loaded with content: Chomsky.info
Pay specific note to the Lectures and Articals sections.

He gave a series of free lectures in BC. Unfortunatly, they were booked solid before I even had a chance to reserve a seat.

Beyond the offical web page, there's a TON of Chomsky's work posted on-line. Here's just a few links pulled from Googlevideo:
Iraq War
The Myth of Liberal Media
Lecture - Distorted Morality
All of those make for good viewing.

Can we please step away from the kneejerk mudslinging?
If you don't agree with Chomsky's views, make valid rational arguments. Don't bother posting easily proven false information.

The idea of these forums is to Deny Ignorance, not promote it.

Originally posted by spinstopshere
I wish to quote a democrat that said this.

"Don't come to the United States and think, because we have problems with our president, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," New York Rep. Charles Rangel said in remarks delivered on Capitol Hill.

This is one of the first democrat statement I agree with 100% since I don't remember.
[edit on 21-9-2006 by spinstopshere]

As a member of the Democratic party, I disagree with this viewpoint. First of, the UN bulding in NY happens to be in the US however it is considered international soil. Secondly, Bush has repeatedly used that same location to constantly bad mouth all of the countries that aren't on board with everything he wants to do. Chavez has EVERY right to come and make a point at the UN. Harsh his words may have been, however that doens't make them any less true. Chaves is a champion of his people and to the poor, and doesn't sell out to big business nor to big oil, THAT is the reason our gov hates him so much. The UN is a place for the world leaders to come together to hash out the issues... It makes me laugh when people say "dont come to America saying that", or he threatened us, he needs to be arrested!! The whole thing is absurd.

Logansrun I truly believe I could not have said it better myself

Charles Rangel wasn't opposed to what was said in the UN. He was opposed to what Chavez said today in Harlem, in his district.

Bush being an alcoholic, walking like John Wayne and something else...

links:

Harlem Congressman Rangel blasts Chavez for calling Bush 'the devil' in his district


"Bush is an alcoholic, a sick man with a lot of hang-ups," declared the left-wing Venezuelan leader. "He walks like John Wayne."



[edit on 9-21-2006 by worldwatcher]

Originally posted by worldwatcher
Charles Rangel wasn't opposed to what was said in the UN. He was opposed to what Chavez said today in Harlem, in his district.

Bush being an alcoholic, walking like John Wayne and something else...

I'll find a link.
[edit on 9-21-2006 by worldwatcher]

Please do as I had heard nothing of this, and the context of the poster I quoted was in the theme of this thread - which had to do with his speach at the UN. This is the first time I have heard of comments made in Harlem.

You mentioned earlier in the thread about all of the problems in Venezuela, where can I find information on this as I have heard quite a different story from other sources outside of our media here. I am curious as to why you view Chavez in this light. I have always liked and agreed with the a lot of your posts and was curious why you hold this view. Not challenging your position, just trying to deny ignorance.

I posted it above, but here there are again

links:

Harlem Congressman Rangel blasts Chavez for calling Bush 'the devil' in his district


"Bush is an alcoholic, a sick man with a lot of hang-ups," declared the left-wing Venezuelan leader. "He walks like John Wayne."

Ah... looks like those remarks were atleast partly directed towards Chavez's UN address.

I want to express my extreme displeasure with statements by the President of Venezuela attacking U.S. President George Bush in such a personal and disparaging way during his remarks at the United Nations General Assembly.

It should be clear to all heads of government that criticism of Bush Administration policies, either domestic or foreign, does not entitle them to attack the President personally.

Source
(eew! I just quoted Fox!)

Here's a better source... His own webpage:
Real Source

[edit on 21-9-2006 by BitRaiser]

Originally posted by worldwatcher
I posted it above, but here there are again
links:

Harlem Congressman Rangel blasts Chavez for calling Bush 'the devil' in his district


"Bush is an alcoholic, a sick man with a lot of hang-ups," declared the left-wing Venezuelan leader. "He walks like John Wayne."

Thanks! I am really curious about other info on Venezuela and why it is so bad there. Back on to the links provided, I must say that it is about time that someone has had the cajones to do this. Half of this country feel the same way, but in a large sense we are being ignored. It may have been inappropriate for him to make those comments outside of the UN, however as I said above, they are none the less true in my humble opinion. Another way to look at this, was the fact that he was in one of the known poorer areas of the US. I am especially fond of this comment he made:

quote from link:
"He also urged the crowd to "recover the heroic essence of the founders of this nation . . . who did not give their lives for an Empire to be born here."

Chavez emphasized that there was a clear difference between the US government and the American people. "One thing is imperialism and another thing is the people, the American society," he said.
end of quote.

I could not agree with these statements more.

Thanks Marco! I am glad that some people are still operating with wisdom. All I have heard for the last couple of years is how evil Chavez was - at least from our own media which isnt worth the paper its printed on. This world will never survive if we all keep these imperialistic views. Bush has taken us in completey the wrong direction by disrupting world affairs, making very offensive comments himself grouping people into an "axis of evil" - this being a direct reference to the "axis powers" of WW2. How could anyone possibly compare Chavez to the Nazis? The whole idea seems extremely offensive.

while he makes a clear difference between the govt and the american people in speeches, doesn't he and the people supporting his rantings realize that whatever affects the govt will affect the people???

Originally posted by worldwatcher
I posted it above, but here there are again

I am referring to comments you made earlier in this thread:

Originally posted by worldwatcher
Fraudulent elections, harrassment of opposition and their families, playing both the KGB and CIA, dictatorship, food shortages, corruption, failing infastructure... basically Venezuela happening right now.

Can you provide any links to support this statement? I am curious about this as the last time I checked, the elections held in Venezuela were completely valid, unlike some other country located to the north..... Also, I have never heard that they had food shortages and a failing infastructure, infact everything I have heard is quite the opposite. This from the media I pay attention to and to the people I know that have been there.

sorry, double post

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