Hugo Chavez speaking at the UN Against American Imperialism and Bush the Devil

I also viewed President Chavez's "Devil" and "Sulfur" remarks as an ironic reference to the overtly religious phrases President Bush just loves to use in his own speeches.

They were meant to be absurd religious inferences because those coming from President Bush ARE absurd. His whole "Axis of Evil" and "God told me" speeches are completely absurd, and President Chavez pointed that out in a lampooning fashion.

It's about time someone in the UN stands up to the United States. Chavez deserves a medal for what he said at the General Assembly because he spoke blunt and truthfully.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
It's about time someone in the UN stands up to the United States. Chavez deserves a medal for what he said at the General Assembly because he spoke blunt and truthfully.

I just found out that Chavez canceled some appointments that was scheduled in NYC and immediately went home. So much for standing up to Bush.

Originally posted by rich23
Well, at least you see that the monopolies forced on other nations by the US is one way that the US enjoys economic advantages. However, you don't seem to care that these advantages are bought by the repression of the other countries of the hemisphere. Germany, after all, had the excuse, when invading other countries, that it had to secure its own economic and political interests. Once you start taking that as your raison d'etre you're on a very slippery slope.

Even if I care, which I certainly hope you are not trying to judge me on simply because of my views on Chavez, my opinions have no weight or say in what my government does, as an individual I can do certain things in my capacity to help my fellow man, but there is no way I can stop any country govt from doing what it wants to do.

I have to ask... how many people actually voted in their local elections? Florida recently had local elections and I went to vote, it was empty. People talk about wanting change, yet they make no attempt to change it. I'm have ideals, but I'm being real about this, we have no choice or say in our nation's foreign affairs.

Other posters here consider Cuba a threat. And the only time Cuba was any genuine threat to the US was during the missile crisis, which everyone conveniently forgets was after the US tried a proxy invasion.

I'm not other posters, I have a wide array of viewpoints on many issues and none of these issues have a clear one sided stance. No issue is completely black or white, most of it is shades of grey, just like Chavez is a mixed bag of nuts.

And under this socialist system, were people "disappeared" on a regular basis? I'm not denying that this happened in Eastern Europe, but allegedly socialist systems in South America tended to be nationalist rather than totalitarian... and few lasted very long before the US managed a coup. Which is when the disappearances would start.

Yes, many chose to disappear, I come from a country which probably won't have a population if everyone got visas to go be with their families. In the 70's and early 80's, the majority of my country's finest minds left the because of the socialist agenda of Burnham backed by non other than our CIA. Fraudulent elections, harrassment of opposition and their families, playing both the KGB and CIA, dictatorship, food shortages, corruption, failing infastructure... basically Venezuela happening right now.

Hugo Chavez has a set of iron balls, lot of respect to him.

You will find the majority of Venezuelan people really do support him, however, they would like him to stop trying to save the world and concentrate his efforts on his own country.


Award winning documentary on Chavez The Revolution Will Not Be Televised



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I just found out that Chavez canceled some appointments that was scheduled in NYC and immediately went home. So much for standing up to Bush.

Yeah so would you when you know its a perfect time for some form of assassination! they could easily blame it on some angry "Patriotic" American.

I also viewed President Chavez's "Devil" and "Sulfur" remarks as an ironic reference to the overtly religious phrases President Bush just loves to use in his own speeches.

I agree with that, he was mocking him, if you think about it sulfur smells bad like rotten eggs.

I like Hugo!

Well I wouldn't call Bushie a Devil - but a Devil Worshipper definetly!

Is that not the sign of MC13 or is it 32? anyway its meant to be the most dangerous gang in the world. So maybe Bushys a major player? no seriously



No after some long hard thought I think ill agree with Texas Bulls theory.

What was so eerie was the applause( some from our supposed allies) Chavez recieved from his speech.

Originally posted by marcopolo


Yeah so would you when you know its a perfect time for some form of assassination! they could easily blame it on some angry "Patriotic" American.

O really? He doesn't trust his security? If I remember that Chavez accuses Bush of attempting to assassinate him couple of years ago. I wonder why he was in the U.S. in the first place.

Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by marcopolo


Yeah so would you when you know its a perfect time for some form of assassination! they could easily blame it on some angry "Patriotic" American.

O really? He doesn't trust his security? If I remember that Chavez accuses Bush of attempting to assassinate him couple of years ago. I wonder why he was in the U.S. in the first place.

Once again, just like last year, the US government denied the visas of Chavez doctors and security team. He himself mentioned it at the end of his speech. So basically, he went to the UN and said all that without the people he trusts beside him.

GO HUGO CHAVEZ GO

Totally agree with you Illmatic67

What Hugo Chavez said was a long time coming and it nice to see someone who actually has the balls to speak there mind on the world stage and tell it exactly how it is. I sincerely hope the rest of the world follows suit. Send Bush and his warmonger minnions back to hell. Bush & Co are so corrupt the truth alone will destroy them.

The tongue like a sharp knife... Kills without drawing blood.

GO HUGO CHAVEZ The truth is on the march..........

P.S I am surprised lapdog Blair wasn't slated. About time somone give him a good slagging off.

Okay in all fairness, we should really look at this in different ways... it honestly helps.

For instance on the play-ground... one bully who claims the whole play-ground is obviously going to come across other bullies, with different ideas, thus a fight/dispute occurs.
Next.
Once this conflict has begun it becomes a deadly combat. So obviously each side is going to want some 'compatriots' ... so they explain their reasons and plans for the future of the playground. They state facts about the playgrounds current state and say how they can help by being the bully... or 'owner'/caller-of-shots of the playground.
One bully will say, I will secure the playground...
One says I will bring peace to the playground....
One may even say, So I can watch-over the playground...
But all of them eventually achieve the same ends, the only thing is, the process and mechanics of that end.

President Chavez is an intelligent man, he is by no means a threat to innocent people. His beef is exclusively with people in power.
Amadee or whatever Islam guy or whatever, 'appears' to be 'tolerant' of non-believers, but apparently has beef with? Bush? See, the thing is he diverts his actual beef...... Chavez is direct, very direct and I've seen a lot of his 'motives' and ideologies... he is more peaceful than agressive, although he is VERY protective, and paranoid? but is it paranoia when there are actual people agressive towards you? After-all he did give the power of the oil over to the people in Venezuela(sp?)
But that other guy that spoke at the UN, the Amadee or islam guy, he is approaching this from a very religeous standpoint, and as that happens to mechanize, he has to pick a particular target, and demonize it so-to-speak, like Bush, although to demonize a whole peoples, (non-believers) would seem eccentric/psychotic(sp?) ... So it seems easier to demonize just one person (it doesn't seem as crazy) ...

But to really watch how this all plays out will be very interesting
To see who CLAIMS to have all the answers.. whose seems the 'sweetest' deal, the plausability, smooth talkers can accomplish alot, although a smooth talker WILL not always be 'SMOOTH, they sometimes may come off 'stupid' yet, empathetic, (or on your level)... we all should be on our toes..

Originally posted by jbondo
I could go on and on about how liberals spit in the face of their own country but I'm sure it would start a riot.

Suffice it to say, it's easy to sit back in a cushy chairs and shoot off at the mouth against a country that provides the very freedoms you enjoy. I am sickened that Americans would show any support for this nutjob Chavez.

Of course when the time comes that you will either praise Allah or have your head removed you will think back to the good ol' days when you could freely hate Christians.

Michael Savage may be a little twisted but he makes more and more sense every day.

Yes, clearly it is wrong for anyone, especially Americans, to question their own government, even [gasp] disagree with them.

Anyone who does should be shipped off to a secret prison in Europe.

I'm sure that's exactly what the people who wrote this document had in mind when they wrote it.

What a bunch of terrorists and crazy liberals! I bet some of them were even Muslims and college professors!

Now as for Hugo Chavez, I think his speech was very good, and very well thought out. Yes, he used some inflamatory language, but I see very little difference between him calling Bush the devil, and Bush labeling other countries the "Axis of Evil" and refering to the war on terror as a "New Crusade".

Having lived in a third world country for two years in south america myself, I have seen first hand the devestation, poverty, and destruction that the U.S. led G-8, IMF, and World Bank have caused, and I for one am happy to see a leader willing to stand up for what he thinks is right, and is willing to make some hard decisions and stand up to the bully in the world for his people.

I have many friends who live in Venezuela, which has a bloody history of coups and violence, many sponsered by the United States, and they have told me that economically, socially, and politically, Venezuela is the strongest it's been in their lifetimes because of the social changes Chaves has enacted.

I think saying that Iran doesn't like us because they are Muslim is grossly historically ignorant, and a cheap oversimplification of things. If we decided to go to war with Canada, and were buying arms from our ally England, and dying by the thousands, only to later find out England, our supposed ally was also selling arms and financially supporting Canada at the same time, wouldn't we be a bit wary of England from then on?

The foreign policy of the "developed" nations has done very little to help third world countries develop, and until that changes, there will always be people who hate us.

Until the IMF and World Bank stop lending third world countries money at a higher interest rate than they can ever repay, causing them to spiral further into debt; until we stop overthrowing democratically elected leaders because they don't have american-centric foreign and economic policies; until we stop sponsoring death squads; until our intelligence agencies stop staging terror attacks; until we learn that we are not the only people on this planet who deserve to have an opinion, and that those who disagree with us will be looking down the barrel of a gun, we will not have peace in this world.

This is not a war of religions as we're being told (if this were the case, as many point out, Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran would not be speaking), this is a war of economics and oppression. And in a continually globalized society, I fear what will happen to our once great nation if we continue down our path of ignorance, hate, violence, oppression and imperialism.

And for those who are a fan, I just want to be clear that on more than one occasion, Michael Savage has advocated genocide, making him no better than Hitler, Pol Pot, Pinochet, and the rest of the mass murdering monsters.

So to say that he makes sense to anyone is a very scary thought.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
Listen to this guy speak

holy cow, he just said all americans should read Chomsky, called Bush a devil, made the cross sign, said the room still smelled of sulphur and he is continuing on.

going to find a link now..but listen to him on tv if you can right now.

holy cow!!!

He says we a need physcologist for Bush, that he sees extremists everywhere.
He says the world is standing up against American imperialism and this is what Bush sees as extremists.

He says if you ask the average American what they want, they say they want peace, but the government is giving them the opposite by going to war in the middle east and making threats against countries against the world.

"Bush wants peace through war. Bush speaks as if he owns the world. US is a danger to the world"

Says America is supporting coup attempts in Venezuela. Says US has double standards for terrorism, citing the Posada Carilles incident.

Venezuela's Chavez Calls Bush 'The Devil'

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Man... That speech just made my day!

That's the geatest speech I heard for years from the mouth of a politician, and the best part is that every single point he made is TRUE! (well, I don't know wether bush is really he Devil or not, as far as I'm concerned, but the rest is all true).

This is a huge PR move, that might seem gross at first, but it's a good one, as it's bringing upfront the crimes, corruption and totalitarianism of this US administration in the face of the entire world.

Chavez is speaking for the voices of all the people that have been oppressed by the US empire for over 50 years, and it was about time that somebody like him stands up in front of the UN hypocrites and tells the truth!

GO CHAVEZ! HURRAY FOR SELF-DETERMINATION!!!

Well said Athenion, eloquently put and very true.

O really? He doesn't trust his security? If I remember that Chavez accuses Bush of attempting to assassinate him couple of years ago. I wonder why he was in the U.S. in the first place.

Its Because he had to be! He is one of the leaders willing and ready to speak up aggressively against the US, his record of good speeches made him the favourite for the job all his allied or “friendly” countries would have wanted him to do it. Chavez isn’t being aggressive for the sake of aggravating the US into war, He came to tell Bush that he would have “nightmares” which I personally believe is to do with the fact none of these nations are going to tolerate the US “pushing” them around by giving them a choice of “Do it our way” or “Do it our way”, let us in or by force.

I'm glad to see someone got pissed off at my comments about Bush needing to be shot... statements like that usually do pull the Neocons out fast!

Seriously, he is taking away our freedoms daily. He led us to an illegal war. And by the looks of it he is leading us into war with Iran and possibly N.Korea! Yeah, it is far past time for Americans to stand up and take his office away from him. Peaceful means would be Great... but did he think of peaceful means when he ignored the UN and went into Iraq? Hell no he didn't. So, I say, anyway we can stop terrorism on US soil... that is what needs to be done. And Bush is the puppet leader of the most powerful terrorist organization in the world. Impeach, shoot, hang... whatever it takes. Show me one thing that he has done for the good of our country... there isn't ONE. As a Patriot I have the right and obligation to question my President... and the right and obligation to call him out. So, go ahead and report me... I am only standing behind my Constitutional rights!

~Candyman~

I am only standing behind my Constitutional rights!

From what I have seen on ATS George hates people "throwing the constitution" at him.

So is everyone in uproar because of the incendiary comments or because of the mention that everybody should read Chomsky? I find his work difficult to get into. He does make some good points, but I doubt every American will read his work. Chavez is very brave (or foolish?) for saying what he said. He could've done it with more class, but you might as well stick in the crude name-calling at the start.

As Jacque Chirac once said about Bush "He's so stupid, it's amazing he can eat stuff." Or something along those lines...

Originally posted by MacDonagh

As Jacque Chirac once said about Bush "He's so stupid, it's amazing he can eat stuff."

Thank you. Never heard that one.

Originally posted by marcopolo


Its Because he had to be! He is one of the leaders willing and ready to speak up aggressively against the US, his record of good speeches made him the favourite for the job all his allied or “friendly” countries would have wanted him to do it.

So he was allowed into the country and then leaves immediately. Its pretty much that he's all talk but then goes home immediately, refusing to attend other places that he was suppose to go. Suppose to talk down on Bush and he instead runs into his bed.