John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Oh do I have a doozy for you!

I found a couple very interesting versions of the same crater (Daedalus)

check this out (the smoking gun! (again ))
First, the light version. Look not only at the area highlighted in yellow
but at the left perimeter of the crater, on the upper edge and leading
due west! What do you see?! WOWZERS.



Then the highlighted portion of the light version.
Check out areas pointed to by yellow arrows.
The white terracing of the wall is not terracing!
It's actually floating in the air above structures
that are on the slope of the crater wall! That
may not be terracing at all but clouds, or
camoflage or tampering. And the thing in the middle
of the crater floor appears to be more than a thing



And now for the darker version. The area is actually
crammed full of anomalies. If you have a graphics
program like "paint" or "paintshop" or "photoshop"
etc, put this bad boy in it and have a gander



here's the highlighted section, showing yet again that the crater
terracing is in fact a layer of clouds/camoflage/or image
tampering




Source:

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...
www.biocrawler.com...






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look up there ^

posting this cause the page didn't flip to next page in my favorites.

And more stuff from Daedalus
from the left rim. four horizontal lines
running next to each other in almost perfect
parallels





And this image of some place on the moon, taken by an
amateur astronomer. What i found interesting in it
is the one "crater" appears to be vertical not flat and
horizontal.

And my final contribution.

My first question is, does anyone besides me find it just a little weird (make that , ALOT weird) that Aristarchus is a huge blue glowie? That's not reflected sunlight! It's inset into the ground. It should be full of shadows like the normal crater, but it's so far into the lunar soil, there's simply no way it could be reflecting sunlight and yet it glows a beautiful blue color, and is one of the most obvious "Craters" on the planet. Observe!



It defies common definitions. Furthermore, it's a bit strange that it is in the corner of what looks like a huge aquare, cut out of the surrounding material of the Mare floor. It's not raised above the landscape, it's sunken into it. it glows so brightly, it's deceiving how far into the lunar soil it actually is, but it's actually quite deep and yet the entire breadth of it, from one side to the other, has no shadows on it because the thing is literally brilliantly glowing. THAT is NOT a crater!!!! (and a few more exclamation points for good measure !!!!!! !!!!!!!)


Next, another anomalie



adjusted by "One Step Photo Fix" in paintshop pro 9



some areas of interest in the image







Source:
homepage.ntlworld.com...
Also see
thelivingmoon.com...


Note: I've added thelivingmoon.com... to my signature. So anytime you wanna check out anomalies that Zorgon, John and other ATS members have found, just find one of my posts, check my signature, or bookmark thelivingmoon.com...



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(disclaimer: any of the above previously mentioned by others in this thread, i don't wish for you to think i'm ignoring your contributions. i just don't remember what angles it has been discussed in and would have to backtrack to verify what has and hasn't been discussed in what perspective. i don't know if i've ever commented on these phenomenon myself, or if i simply commented on someone else's contributions at the time. so if i'm just rehashing old info, i do apologize! if it's my old info, i doubly apologize, and if you feel as if i'm trying to steal your limelight, I triply apologize! i'll just refrain from posting any "new" data. ) I do recall that John Lear believes it is a big nuclear reactor of some kind. (not sure if he still thinks that or not). I'm not sure what Zorgon thinks it is but I believe it's common consensus that it is not a crater. That it appears to intermittently glow like that, and other times just appears to be a crater. Why that is, we don't know!! Unless the reactor is being turned off and on or the thing is like a filling station for ufos lol That's one heckuva advertisement!!



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That looks like a erhhh..."glowing turd" Undo

I agree Aristarchus Crater is pretty amazing from what I've seen so far, but shadows can deceive the eye/brain and make it difficult to tell which is a dimple and which is a bump!

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Which features as marked are BUMPS and which are DIMPLES?

In other words, which features are inset into the surface, ie: a depression or valley or channel, and which ones are protruding from the surface, a bump, hill, mountain or ridge?



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Now take a look at this image, again which ones are bumps and which are dimples?

they all look like bumps to me.

Originally posted by Cygnific
That looks like a erhhh..."glowing turd" Undo

Oh wonderful.

Which one looks like a glowing "turd"?

Originally posted by undo
they all look like bumps to me.

Ok lol try this one!











Which is pertinent since it looks to be from an actual moon image and not fictitious location.

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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by Cygnific
That looks like a erhhh..."glowing turd" Undo

Oh wonderful.

Which one looks like a glowing "turd"?

The last four pictures you posted!

Originally posted by greatlakes

Originally posted by undo
they all look like bumps to me.

Ok lol try this one!

Which is pertinent since it looks to be from an actual moon image and not fictitious location.

I say the bottom one.

they all look like bumps. especially the ones with
"craters" inside them because the lighting seems wrong
for craters.

Originally posted by greatlakes
I agree Aristarchus Crater is pretty amazing from what I've seen so far, but shadows can deceive the eye/brain and make it difficult to tell which is a dimple and which is a bump!

Okay I am going to get out one of my favorite swords here.... and sharpen it to a fine razor edge... and the very next person that tosses out that tricks of light and shadow is going to get a Henry VIII HAIR CUT

Now if you need a lesson on how to tell the difference between a concave or convex surface may I suggest you practice? But please do not assume that we all have the same difficulty with this issue. I personally have also included topographical maps when this issue has come up...

What has the light and shadow got to do with the fact that from time to time Aristarchus GLOWS BLUE???

TLP's Transient Lunar Phenomena... Means they are fleeting and thus hard to see, yet Aristarchus accounts for well over half of them...

Mike got lucky and caught a really good day when it was glowing brightly...

Here it is from the Clementine satellite



From a JPL report that I am working on...
GMT (1955), hr:min H Spectrum K Spectrum
Sept. 28, 18:00 0.0 0.0 -
Oct. 4, 18:30 2.2 f 0.2 3.3 f 0.5
Oct. 28, 22:00 13.0 f 1.0 19.0 f 1.0
Nov. 4, 22:00 3.0 f 0.3 4.2 f 0.3

What this means.. On Sept 18 a reading was taken of Aristarchus when it wasn't experiencing "luminescence" and the value of 0.0 is assigned in both the H and K Spectrums. On Oct 4th the readings jumped to 2.2 and 3.3 as bright as before respectively with a fluctuation of.02 and .05 respectively...

October 28th reached a peak of 13.0 and 19.0 then dropped back to 3.0 and 4.2 by Nov 4th.

A couple key points....

"These measurements, together with measurements of the spectral refractive capability of the crater Aristarchus, have made it possible to find a luminescence curve depending on the wave line. There obviously exist two belts: a brighter ultraviolet with a maximum of about 3900 A and a blue
belt (less reliably determined) with a maximum of about 4300 A."

"This circumstance confirms the reality of the second blue belt of luminescence with a maximum of about 4300 A."

This report is from a paper I ordered from NASA from the 60's and I will present more on it later... First this....

Aristarchus Crater
Apollo 11 Transcript from Mission log



Now then... one question...

WHY DO ALL THOSE OTHER AMATEURS NEVER USE COLOR???

Originally posted by undo
Oh do I have a doozy for you!
I found a couple very interesting versions of the same crater (Daedalus)

Daedalus Crater is also designated as Crater 308...

If you recall it is the area that we found the real "smoking gun" right next to it... (this image is reversed from the other Daedalus crater, but you can easily see where the small crater on the rim is)




Here is the original, from NASA with the "anomaly" easy to find without enhancements and its even visible in a browser.



And here is what we found tucked away in that small crater that the censors missed...




Now go ahead, tell me thats a rock or a trick of light and shadow, or I can't tell the difference between a dip and a rise Go ahead make my day!

And now, for a really cool upcoming game character image from an upcoming mmorpg. Aerial battle, indeed! Yup, you can fly with your own wings and fight, in this game. Wonder where they got that idea from! It reminds me of the story of Icarus, the guy who flew to close to the sun. I wonder how much of that relates to a real event, where some planet or craft got to close to Sol or something. lol All this talk of Daedalus got me to thinking of the ancient "myths" and the wings of the "Angels", as depicted in ancient artwork. If it was a reference to flying craft, we should EXPECT to see them on the moon, ya know? Anyway, check out this cool character you can play in this game called Aion (it's not out yet. sniff, sniff) and think about what the "Angels" were! (for some of you, this is not too far of a stretch. For others, it's not possible because they deem the entire thing of ancient flying beings, a fairy tale. Well they might not have had REAL wings, in the sense of bird wings, but it's sure pretty!
www.aionsource.com...

Is this clear evidence of image tampering?

Compare the color of the 2 images, the color chart present is for photographic purposes by Apollo astronauts. These are from Apollo 17. You need to open the hi-res version to make out the differences. These images are unmodified by me and are direct from a .gov site.

A17-H-137-20990 image id number, the images are hi-rs, 6-9 MB in size, so theres alot of detail present.

Image ONE, appears natural color, un enhanced or filtered.6MB FILE!


nssdcftp.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Image TWO, all color has been washed out, except for the color chart. 9MB FILE!


i141.photobucket.com...

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Regarding Aristarchus Crater:

Hey I don't need a haircut I just got one! I agree that the images thus far are intriguing but more convincing evidence is needed. The apparent brightness can be caused by any number of things.

Here is a listing of papers that have been produced on the ARISTARCHUS CRATER over the decades, as others have found the crater intriguing as well.

SOURCEBOOK PUBLISHED PAPERS SEARCH

Some example titles pulled from the search.

*A compositional study of the aristarchus region of the moon using near-infrared

*Aristarchus Blushes For Clementine

* PROPERTIES OF LUNAR CRATER EJECTA FROM NEW 70-CM RADAR OBSERVATIONS

* Multispectral Mosaic of the Aristarchus Crater and Plateau

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One possible cause for the brightness and color is the area is that the crater is mainly composed of volcanic GLASS over the surface and surroundings of the crater. The naturally formed glass reflects/refracts light differently than opaque solids of course, possibly capturing the BLUE EARTH (earth is primarily blue from orbit) and reflecting it back to our eyes (and terrestrial telecopes ccd's). This would explain the TLP's and visuals of increased colors and shine during times that the Aristarchus crater is exposed to EARTHSHINE.
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In addition, the image from Copernicus and Mikes Imaging have the Aristarchus Crater shining blue-like as well as OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE SIMILAR luminosity and color. See below image for...



So its possible that the cause of the extra luminosity of the Aris Crater is a localized effect due to volcanic (ancient) activity in a low gravity, low or no atmosphere (and other non-earthlike) environs.

Thats my take on the possibles, it may also be possible that there are ancient devices/structures there (within the crater) that are causing some of the TLP and the shine that has been observed. Many of the papers written have been through NASA JPL or other affiliated and if you believe that NASA has tampered with images in the past, well you may take some of the papers with a pinch of salt, but there it is.


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If there is even one blue glowy on the far side of the moon, the idea that its blue due to earthshine, goes right out the window. care to wager on the existence or non-existence of blue glowies on the far side?

[edit on 25-5-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
If there is even one blue glowy on the far side of the moon, the idea that its blue due to earthshine, goes right out the window. care to wager on the existence or non-existence of blue glowies on the far side?

It's a theory, like I said there can be MANY possible causes for the blue color appearing. Another possible cause can be that the crater is actually an ancient caldera (a large one) that is not completely dormant or dead. The caldera can be spewing out some trace gases causing scattering of light reaching the localized area and making the appearance of blue color.

The caldera can also explain the spoke features of the crater, but would admittedly be a stretch to create such regular looking arches or buttresses, but again all possible.

Or yet another, the gases can be ionizing in the localized area causing a sort of fluorescence, just like the gases in a fluorescent light bulb

There are many others as well I imagine. So yes if there are blue-like features on the udder side o' the moon, these and many other theories may apply.

[edit on 25-5-2007 by greatlakes]

that's the point. there ARE blue glowies on the far side. so scratch that EARTHSHINE theory off the possibilities list. to keep it in the post you mentioned it in above is a form of disinfo. it can't be earthshine. so let's mark that reason off the list. purdy please?