John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by Cygnific

That are some nice pictures John, you only have the zoomed pictures or maybe the full originals?

I have all the full originals (scanned from Pictorial Guide To The Moon Third Revised Edition Dinsmore Alter).

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Cygnific

That are some nice pictures John, you only have the zoomed pictures or maybe the full originals?

I have all the full originals (scanned from Pictorial Guide To The Moon Third Revised Edition Dinsmore Alter).

If you want/have time, can you maybe post them here? And who do you think is working at that place, 1938 doesn't sound like Nasa jumping around there. It looks like it been worked on quit alot. The 1938 picture looks alot better then the ones years later, or is that because the picture is taken from another altitude?

Fantastic images there, John

In the first image, the prom is clearly a rough surface, in the second pic it appears to have been leveled, and in the third image, voila !!

Thank goodness we still have undoctored images like this to pour over...

Thanks again John for everything you've contributed to this topic

Zorgon, I have Acrobat 6. Would you like me to post the contents of that .pdf?

That is very, very interesting indeed. I especially like:

The science community should work together, test theories, and engage in lively debates.

Doesn't it seem like this should go without saying? To be honest, that .pdf scares the bejesus out of me. NASA seems to be the policeman saying "Nothing to see here" and the masses don't care to take notice? My peers in this nation seem to be ruled by abject apathy.

This image in particular was of interest to me, as it seems to be clear cut evidence that there is, according to admitted principles from NASA (water seepage along crater rims) standing water on the surface of Mars:




From this source:

themis.la.asu.edu...

As well, as pointed out to me by a dear friend, when you monochrome colors you cannot easily differentiate what an image is. For example, see this one:




Anyone want to guess what this is? It is Lake Erie. The lines are wakes behind various watercraft. If you look for the smaller "V's" you can see the boats causing some of the smaller ones. Looks a lot like the pictures of the dry surface area of Mars, though, doesn't it?

Can we get ESA photo's, with the enhanced blue and green hues? Are we the only nation taking pictures of the moon? Don't other nations have some sort of exploratory commision that could provide additional material on top of NASA? Maybe that is a good way for Iran to show how non-American they are: do true space exploration and then let the world know the truth about what they see and find. What a novel idea.




[edit on 22-5-2007 by bigfatfurrytexan]

June 3, 1938

Wowzers, this one is full of interesting things. I see at least two smoke stacks, and a huge building on the right, partially obscured by that white stuff.

July 23, 1942

May 3, 1947

Anyone ever take a look at the following images from www.lpi.usra.edu?
They have 70mm photos fairly high res from the Apollo missions, several film magazines worth.

Here's the CATALOG:
www.lpi.usra.edu...

Here's one with some interesting features.

www.lpi.usra.edu...



[edit on 23-5-2007 by greatlakes]

great lakes,

thanks, i'll go check it out. might add it to our growing catalogue:

thestargates.com...

let your eyes adjust to the blurriness of this image.
seriously, take my word on this. just let your eyes
adjust. at first it just looks like a mess that you can't
focus on but give it about ten seconds, and you'll
start to pick out the shapes. i don't want to prejudice
it by telling you what i see in it. upload it into a
graphics program if you have one, and tinker with
the brightness and contrast and zoom on it, if it helps.
tell me, does it look natural to you? boy, do i see
alot of stuff in this image. :



[edit on 23-5-2007 by undo]

Here's a view of Agarum I cropped from Lick-001:






At the bottom right of the crater in the right hand corner of the image, there appears to be a building of some kind, which has two "openings" at its bottom left

Not sure if this has been spotted previously, or indeed it is what my eyes see it as

Feel free to take a look and comment and let me know I'm seeing things or going nuts

let your eyes adjust to the blurriness of this image.
seriously, take my word on this. just let your eyes
adjust. at first it just looks like a mess that you can't
focus on but give it about ten seconds, and you'll
start to pick out the shapes. i don't want to prejudice
it by telling you what i see in it. upload it into a
graphics program if you have one, and tinker with
the brightness and contrast and zoom on it, if it helps.
tell me, does it look natural to you? boy, do i see
alot of stuff in this image. :

[edit on 23-5-2007 by undo]

Wow Nice one Undo

To me, there appears to be an elongated J shaped "wall(??)" with a couple of tanks on the left section...Of course, I could very easily be wrong, but "eh"...

Ok I have these 3 screen captures from the higher res Clementine images (available earlier in this thread and on Nasa's server). Now other than converting these to Imageshack they are exact as anyone can easily find out.
Now how exactly are these normal piles of rocks again? They look like definate structures and hardly grainy images as well imo.





[edit on 23-5-2007 by VType]

Rilence,

thanks.

there's all kinds of stuff in that piece. double sets of
globe like structures, right next to each other in
several places. long crisscrossing roads/walkways/tubes.
one actually goes straight out into midair, takes a drastic,
ninety degree turn downward, forming an "L" shape,
then it plunges into a disk shaped bottom at ground level,
and disappears below ground. tons o' stuff.

[edit on 23-5-2007 by undo]

VType

I think we reached the conclusion (we being Zorgon,
John and I) that the Clementine cololr pics are highly
HIGHLY modified. but there's still some very interesting
stuff in them. but they've been changed so dramatically
that's almost a sure bet that most of what you are seeing
has been tinkered with. but aren't all the pretty blue spots
of light, interesting? they are literally, everywhere, in
those images.

Originally posted by undo
VType

I think we reached the conclusion (we being Zorgon,
John and I) that the Clementine cololr pics are highly
HIGHLY modified. but there's still some very interesting
stuff in them. but they've been changed so dramatically
that's almost a sure bet that most of what you are seeing
has been tinkered with. but aren't all the pretty blue spots
of light, interesting? they are literally, everywhere, in
those images.

Gotcha.
However the bottom image can be substantiated by earlier hi res B&W pic's posted which actually show the structures with the apparent tube object in greater detail. I will look for that image and post it.
Also I figured that most likely some stuff slipped through the cracks of any Nasa rebrushing albiet oversights ,unhappy worker,etc... I think theres plenty of evidence in most the moon images posted to warrant a rethink of our moon and exactly how things work there to create apparent structures. Youd think anyways but who knows.

This is one of my favorites from the Clementine set...




Nothing to see here folkes... move along now



But I think I will revive that Clementine thread next week... we never did catalog all he glowies yet. I also want to try to match them with the "spheres" that I have shown in some of the older pictures

Speaking about "spheres"

John what is this?

Originally posted by Rilence
Here's a view of Agarum I cropped from Lick-001:

Oh yes the arches...



The ones John originally called "Elephants"



Now they are not really elephants, it was just a way to point to the arches... which are huge...

But hey they LOOK like elephants

For VType and Rilence and Herr Furry...

Please give me your assessment of this image of Reiner Crater. Its a resolution of .01 kilometers/pixel from the Color Clementine set...

Originally posted by greatlakes
Anyone ever take a look at the following images from www.lpi.usra.edu?
They have 70mm photos fairly high res from the Apollo missions, several film magazines worth.
Here's the CATALOG:
www.lpi.usra.edu...

VERY nice find indeedy, GreatLakes

The orbital pics in particular will be quite interesting

I'm downloading some as we speak, no doubt we'll find plenty of interesting things on those...We can compare what we've found on the older pics to the Apollo pics and noe any changes or anything new

Good job