John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by Rilence we'll find plenty of interesting things on those...

Nah those are the low res jpg versions... they have been "sanitized"

We can compare what we've found on the older pics to the Apollo pics and noe any changes or anything new

Yup that you can do... and compare them to some of the same images at Kieth Laney's site..

keithlaney.net...

Thanks, here's a nice index, there are MANY images here in the catalog...
It seems that the image format is small, wonder if anyone can find the higher resolution format versions, after all the source is 70MM!

Apollo Image Atlas
70mm Hasselblad Image Catalog

Apollo 4 1 Magazine 713 Images
Apollo 6 1 Magazine 373 Images
Apollo 7 9 Magazines 531 Images
Apollo 8 7 Magazines 865 Images
Apollo 9 11 Magazines 1373 Images
Apollo 10 9 Magazines 1436 Images
Apollo 11 9 Magazines 1407 Images
Apollo 12 14 Magazines 2113 Images
Apollo 13 5 Magazines 584 Images
Apollo 14 14 Magazines 1336 Images
Apollo 15 19 Magazines 2640 Images
Apollo 16 22 Magazines 2801 Images
Apollo 17 23 Magazines 3581 Images


Thanks zorgon for the info, yes it seems the images are lo-res. The www.keithlaney.com images don't seem to be the highest res either, but perhaps unsanitized as you state? I found another place for SOME of the apollo images in very HI-RES version... www.apolloarchive.com...

Now when I compare two images side by side (the images have been scaled to fit-see link for full size images), it seems the apolloarchive.com ones are much higher quality and uncompressed format.

IMAGE: as17-145-22261 APOLLO 17

Image 1, keithlaney.com

keithlaney.net...

Image 2, apolloarchive.com

www.hq.nasa.gov...

Download the images and adjust the balance/contrast etc to see the compression artifacts in the keithlaney image and none in the apolloarchive image.

There are also distinct differences in image #2, the USA flag is visible. It certainly looks like Image #1 has been contrast adjusted and/or brightness to lose the detail of the flag and colors.

Interesting-What do you all make of it? In any case, it seems the hi-res versions are available, question is are these sanitized and which ones are/are not?



[edit on 23-5-2007 by greatlakes]

Originally posted by zorgon
This is one of my favorites from the Clementine set...




Nothing to see here folkes... move along now

Is there a NASA link to this image by any chance? For all the tax money we pay for their airbrushing, you would think they would be doing a better job or maybe it was this guys first day?

Originally posted by zorgon
For VType and Rilence and Herr Furry...

Please give me your assessment of this image of Reiner Crater. Its a resolution of .01 kilometers/pixel from the Color Clementine set...

Zorgon, I've zoomed this to 400% and colorised the areas of interest:



1) the area NNE of the "White Spot" just north of center on your original...In the left most section of the colorised version, there appears to be a pyramidal structure of some kind, with "vents" both at the top and lower left of this structure...

There also appears to be some kind of road or even pipeline trailing off to the right of this pyramid. There are several arches with cross this feature, which leads to a large structure at the top right corner of the crater. This indeed looks like a building to my mind...

If I had to guess, I would say the pyramid structure reminds me of some sort of "cooling tower" due to the vent at the top of it...

2) The area immediately below the "White Spot" north of center on the original...I would say this spot is a crater or hole of some sort...There appears to be a structure jutting out over it on the right of the hole...Immediately below the hole on the left there is a large structure (or structures that extend all the way to the boundary of colorisation...

My take on this would be some kind of processing plant)

Also throughout both colorised areas, there are many light colored "spheres" which to me indicate lighting

Hows that ?

On further thought and inspection, I would put it out there, that the "White Spot" I've mentioned is indeed a hole...

And to my mind, if this is a mining operation we're looking at, I would say the hole is being used as a waste dump at this point...

Just a small addition to my post above

Cheers
...
Tony

P.S - The "cooling tower" I mentioned above could just as easily be a blast furnace or something similar

[edit on 23-5-2007 by Rilence]

It could also just be a hole in the ground ??

Originally posted by greatlakes
Thanks, here's a nice index, there are MANY images here in the catalog...
It seems that the image format is small, wonder if anyone can find the higher resolution format versions, after all the source is 70MM!

Yes they ARE 70mm that's big enough to project onto an IMAX screen. And we have come across some of the hi res .tiff versions, but it seems they vanish as soon as we find them... hence the reason Undo is storing them now as we find them...

Same with the Lunar Orbiter images the company who made the cameras claims you can recognize objects the size of a card table...

If any one DOES stumble across any good tiff directories "by accident" U2U us before posting them so we can get em

But other than LPI you might want to browse around the Apollo Surface Journal

www.hq.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by Jack_Deth
Is there a NASA link to this image by any chance? For all the tax money we pay for their airbrushing, you would think they would be doing a better job or maybe it was this guys first day?

LOL Not everything is NASA... Clementine was a US Navy project under the Department of Defense... NASA only provided mission control...

For many years (and if you look around the net you will see old black and white clementine images full of anomalies and airbushing) they told us they only had black and white images and that the resolution was as good as it gets...

They lied... they had full color ones in 1994... I do not wish to bring the Clementine images into this thread....

Here is the work we presented on those color images... please visit this thrread and discuss them there. I only brought them in here to stimulate new discussion on the Clementine images

You must read at least the first two pages...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

For more on the mysterious Clementine Satellite that keeps reappearing and disappearing see here ( I have not released this page until today )

There is a LOT to read here... If you are seriously interested in this topic, take the time... I will be reviving the Clementine thread and revamping the Living Moon menu after this next contract I am on, probably be free by Sunday...

Clementine Wherfore Art Thou?

Please post all Clementine related questions on the Clementine thread... this one is already long enough

Originally posted by greatlakes
Interesting-What do you all make of it? In any case, it seems the hi-res versions are available, question is are these sanitized and which ones are/are not?

Ummm what do we make of it? Errr I think we have covered a bit of that in this huge thread and the Clementine thread...

The really hi res images are not available to us. There are better ones around, but if they are jpg... they are not much use. But hey we always look in case they missed something. Old books are a great source, before 1972 is best. They never thought we would all have super computers and graphics editors

The old lunar orbiter negatives were generally 16x20 inches You mentioned 70mm imagine how big a photo a 16x20 negative makes... The images John posted to start this thread ARE from one such negative... that is why Copernicus 1-4 had to be split

Here is the NASA team working on those big Lunar Orbiter images... LOL Literally work ON them

Originally posted by zorgon
For VType and Rilence and Herr Furry...

Please give me your assessment of this image of Reiner Crater. Its a resolution of .01 kilometers/pixel from the Color Clementine set...

Oh you know those are just rocks pilled up dont you? Funny how they form a structured and thought out build. Honestly the spiral type of architecture is quite interesting and there are a few more highly organised beauties on the moon that almost match that image. Either nature is completely different then we know of on the moon or dare I say those are hand or ??? made.

Originally posted by Jack_Deth



Is there a NASA link to this image by any chance? For all the tax money we pay for their airbrushing, you would think they would be doing a better job or maybe it was this guys first day?

It's from the clementine color series which is on the web, courtesy of the USGS Astrogeology. the site is called Map-A-Planet
pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov... BUT DON'T GO THERE YET. YOU'LL GET CONFUSED. GO BACK TO THAT PAGE AFTER YOU GO TO THIS PAGE: pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov... on the map, click the various craters until you find that one. What basically happened is an entire strip was intermittently blocked out with those jagged squares, presumably missing data transmission

also of interest is a NASA site relating to same info and which is linked from Arizona State University: ser.sese.asu.edu... . I should warn you that it's an FTP site and claims to require a password and login and that it already has too many connections on it:
pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov...

If anyone here has access to a .cub file program or an ISIS program, let us know




[edit on 23-5-2007 by undo]

the old anomalie list we accumulated during the clementine color thread here at ATS

And God said, Let there be....
www.thestargates.com...
The Glass Dome
www.thestargates.com...
White Tank
www.thestargates.com...
Gold Ship
www.thestargates.com...
Gold Cone/ship
www.thestargates.com...
Floating Craters
www.thestargates.com...
Giant Snail
www.thestargates.com...
Eye of Ra
www.thestargates.com...
Bronzy
www.thestargates.com...
Mr. Fish
www.thestargates.com...
Wax On, Wax Off
thestargates.com...
Reiner Gamma (Full Version)
www.thestargates.com...
Aristarchus (Zorgon's copy of Mike's 10-inch telescope pic of Aristarchus)
homepage.ntlworld.com...
Global view (a portion of the lunar surface as seen in a more 3-D type of angle)
thestargates.com...
Blue Tubes
www.thestargates.com...
Translucent, Texturized Crater
www.thestargates.com...
Gold Ship Redux
www.thestargates.com...
Triple Pink
www.thestargates.com...
The Golden Triangle
www.thestargates.com...
Geysers, Unexplained, Glass, Blownout, Pool from SteveR
img98.imageshack.us...
Gold Pit from SteveR
img264.imageshack.us...
Intelligence to the Madness from SteveR
img122.imageshack.us...
Not Natural! from SteveR
img527.imageshack.us...
Blue Crater Gem - From NASA's WorldWind Program
www.thestargates.com...
Golden Bugs (full size)
artapprentice.net...
Unusual Terrain by SteveR
img142.imageshack.us...
Ship Foot
artapprentice.net...
Ship Foot (Detail)
artapprentice.net...

Source
pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov...
worldwind.arc.nasa.gov...

Collected also on John Lear's "The Living Moon" forum:
johnlearsmoon.myfastforum.org...


[edit on 23-5-2007 by undo]

Too bad this is the best I can do.

But I suppose that today it should be relatively easy to find photos of the Moon taken by amateur astronomers, this photo was taken only with a digital camera, no telescope used.

Can't we try to find some amateur astronomers that is willing to post his/hers photos?

PS: This was taken yesterday, today the sky is cloudy.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Can't we try to find some amateur astronomers that is willing to post his/hers photos?

You mean photos like these hi-res ones from AMATEUR ASTRONOMERS (pdf file internal)?
www.zone-vx.com...

These amateurs however wield HUGE telescopes, 16", 19"etc.

More links can be found here:
www.lpl.arizona.edu...
including some back issues

And here:
www.astrosurf.com...
These guys and gals are searching for Lunar Transient Phenomena.

It may also come as a surprise that much of today's amateur moon imaging is far superior to even the best professional photos of a decade or two ago. The reason for this is the CCD revolution.

The advent of solid state cameras of very high light sensitivity has made extrememly short exposures possible. The fundamental problem with high resolution imaging is what astronomers call "seeing" or atmospheric turbulence. However, even at its worst, there are moments when acceptable images can be taken.

These are too short to capture on film, but are routine for video. With video running at 30 frames per second, thousands of images can be stored in a few minutes. These can be stepped through, one at a time until a good one is found and then digitized for the computer.

from schmidling.com...
Jack Schmidling
taken with a 16" newtonian tele

and the legend, Copernicus!


Here's his (Jack Schmidling) telescopes, plural!
schmidling.com...

And his main page:
schmidling.com...


[edit on 23-5-2007 by greatlakes]

I apologize if this has been posted, I did not remember this picture and it struck me the first time I saw it at the source site. What the heck is that object that has left the trail across from the right??






[edit on 23-5-2007 by Laserjock]

Originally posted by Laserjock
I apologize if this has been posted, I did not remember this picture and it struck me the first time I saw it at the source site. What the heck is that object that has left the trail across from the right??

I think it was the antenna from the Lunar Orbiter.

Image of the Lunar Orbiter 66-100a:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by greatlakes
More links can be found here:
www.lpl.arizona.edu...

I LOVE their background image!!!!

Will you guys have a look at THIS....

Originally posted by Laserjock
I apologize if this has been posted, I did not remember this picture and it struck me the first time I saw it at the source site. What the heck is that object that has left the trail across from the right??

Byrd, Member of distinction, Super Moderator and Conspiracy Master gave an 'analysis prize' to Benevolent Heretic for his explanation that it was the patterned impact trail of a meteoroid. He told Benevolent Heretic, “Good catch and good explanation."

However the rest of us thought it was an antenna sticking down from the Apollo 16 spacecraft.

: Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If we assume the most likely cause, I think that it's probably from a meteoroid or other object landing and bouncing as it comes to rest, causing a patterned impact trail. It would come from the right to the left, making the first "bounce" the largest, then decreasing in size as it bounced to the left.

Bingo!

You win the analysis prize! That's indeed what it is, and there's a number of these on Earth and on the other planets.
quote: What bothers me about that is the the pattern seems to be different across the top than the pattern across the bottom.

In anddition to the factors you mentioned, the object would be breaking up AND the landscape it hit is not uniform.

Good catch and good explaination.

Originally posted by greatlakes
Image of the Lunar Orbiter 66-100a:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks for that greatlakes. I had already downloaded all those directories in case there was a goodie...

Sadly they are not the hires I am looking for. As example here is LO2-162 from the hires archive you linked to... compare this to the post on page one of this thread...