Why do non 33 degree masonic members rant about what all the symbolism & secrets mean

Why do non 33 degree masonic members rant about what all the symbolism & secrets mean, the only truly enlighted ones are those of the 33rd degree. Spare me please from this junk.

Anyone who is anyone outside of masonry, with a good head for research knows the demonic nature of masonry & it's world wide infiltration upon society. Scarey thing to me is so many people read the niceties of the cult, & not the satanic nature as steeped in washington DC itself, It's disgusting & vile to any true Bible believing individual, & american administrations are steeped in this stuff. Even republicans, yes. The only truth about the real freemasonry will come from a 33rd degree member & u can bet ur ass they ain't gonna spill the beans on it's anti-christian focus. MMMMMMMM, I would ask any new person to masonry to go read the protocols of zion & and sit back & ask themselves do they want to be a part of that?

Wake up people, satan is having an absolute field day with america these days, you all play tit for tat about rep-dem, wake up & see the truth. it designed to get you fighting amongst yourselves whilst they carry out deep atrocities, much of which we don't know cause we are to busy with what junk fills our heads. Stop being programed, yes that goes for you masons too, ur being programmed!!!!!!!!!!. So sad if u can't c it!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by solidgear
Why do non 33 degree masonic members rant about what all the symbolism & secrets mean, the only truly enlighted ones are those of the 33rd degree. Spare me please from this junk

Spare me indeed.

To begin with, having or not having the 33° in the Scottish Rite has nothing to do with "ranting about what the symbols mean". Plenty of 33° Scottish Rite Masons have written tons of books about what they believed everything in Masonry meant (Albert Pike, Albert Mackey, Henry Wilson Coil, Harold Van Buren Voorhis, etc.). On the flip side, plenty of non-33° Scottish Rite Masons have done the same thing (A.E. Waite, Manly Palmer Hall, Foster Bailey, etc.).

And what exactly is your qualification for saying that "the only truly enlightened ones are those of the 33rd degree"? Are you a 33° Scottish Rite Mason? Are you a Mason at all?

Anyone who is anyone outside of masonry, with a good head for research knows the demonic nature of masonry & it's world wide infiltration upon society.

Actually, "anyone who is anyone" outside of the Craft and has truly studied the subject honestly, knows that's an entire crock. The only people who spout that satanist garbage are religious fruitcakes with obvious agendas.

Scarey thing to me is so many people read the niceties of the cult, & not the satanic nature as steeped in washington DC itself, It's disgusting & vile to any true Bible believing individual, & american administrations are steeped in this stuff. Even republicans, yes.

Even Republicans? Wowsers!

Wake up people, satan is having an absolute field day with america these days, you all play tit for tat about rep-dem, wake up & see the truth. it designed to get you fighting amongst yourselves whilst they carry out deep atrocities, much of which we don't know cause we are to busy with what junk fills our heads. Stop being programed, yes that goes for you masons too, ur being programmed!!!!!!!!!!.

O agree with this totaly, WEEEEE are being programmed, so masons, chrisntians, muslims, every single individual on earth is being manipulated.
This is not done by masons, this is done by an elite few in maybe somekind of society wich we do not know about.
The evil cults are just being used, not just evil cults, every single religion or system is being used by them, why go to all the trouble in pointing a finger at people who don't know anything about it.
Masonic Light for exemple, he's probably a good guy, just trying to tell the people here that masons are not bad guys, probably getting sick of all of the acusations made by the people here, but most seem to forget that there is more going on then we understand, so don't point the finger at one society, most of them if not almost every single one of them know nothing.

That said, the fact that people write books doesn't nessicarilly mean that it is the correct information, or you would believe David Icke or Alex Jones to, they wrote books and done tons of research, but they are stupid and the guys who have something to hide aren't, doesn't add up, you can't trust anybody these days, so just stop thinking in boxes of prejudese(sorry for the spelling), not all masons are bad, and not all conspiricy theorists are crazy wackjobs, we don't know JACK # about the truth, and evn if you knew the truth, half of the people out here are never gonna believe you untill it is finally time that we all know, and then it wil be to late.

If you agree with me and a lot of people that there is something wrong with the world and some major fight is comming soon, just prepare, so when the time comes to actually act instead of meaningless discussions about someting verry few people know, you can.

Originally posted by solidgear
Why do non 33 degree masonic members rant about what all the symbolism & secrets mean, the only truly enlighted ones are those of the 33rd degree. Spare me please from this junk.

Solidgear, your post is insulting and degrading to all the "thinking" members of this site. The only "junk" is what you're spewing from your keyboard and is based on your lack of knowledge about Freemasonry, and the Scottish Rite in particular.

Let me tell you a bit about me personally (something that shouldn't really be done on a forum like this, but I think it necessary) I am a devout, Trinitarian Christian. I was raised in the Presbyterian Church and converted to Catholicism a number of years ago (there's another thread that mentions my Catholic faith and the fact that I am a Freemason) I attend Mass *almost* daily except when work will not permit. I am EXTREMELY active in my church and in the church school (K-8 grades)

To put it in full perspective I love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with all my heart and rely upon Him for all my guidance. I am in NO way a Satanist.

That being said, here's some Masonic information for you.

I became a Master Mason in July 1981

a York Rite Mason (Chapter Council & Commandery) in 1982

a Scottish Rite Mason (32nd Degree) in 1983

I have also been initiated into the York Rite College, the Allied Masonic Degrees, the Knight Masons, the Red Cross of Constantine, the Royal Order of Scotland, the Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests and the Masonic Rosicrucians (MSRICF)

In 1995 I received the Scottish Rite's "Knight Commander of the Court of Honour" (KCCH) and in 2001 in Charleston South Carolina at the 200th Anniversary of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, U.S.A. I received

The Thirty-Third Degree !

The Thirty-Third Degree was an impressive and dignified ceremony and I'm proud (and humbled) to hold it.

There is NOTHING satanic in it. There is NOTHING that conflicts with ANYTHING I believe about God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Had there been, I would have handed over ALL my dues cards (not just my Scottish Rite dues cards)

Solidgear, your post is NONSENSE. You know NOTHING about the Thirty-Third Degree and obviously nothing of substance about Masonry at all. Do not spread lies and do not repeat silly nonsense you've read on some anti-Masonic web-site. Do some research into Masonry (the legitimate sources are out there for those who aren't too lazy to get up from their key-boards)

Oh, I'm sure you'll counter that either a: I'm lying or b: I'm covering up the truth about the Thirty-Third Degree.

(edit to correct a date)

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oaths say that you will kill those who reveal their secrets

James 5:12 says.....

12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by earth, nor by any other oath; but let your "Yea" be yea, and your "Nay" be nay, lest ye fall into condemnation.

Also, what is the purpose of the masonic oaths? I mean, if you are swearing with your blood and with your life, you must be doing it to gain something....

Membership in freemasonry is based on a person's belief in a god... not the God of the Holy Bible. It can be any god they choose. They combine all gods into their one god [TGAOTU] and proclaim every path and every god - whether it's Jesus, Buddha, Vishnu - to be correct and true. Keep in mind they offer up communal prayers to their god [TGAOTU] during meetings, so when any Christian participates in such a thing, they are literally praying to that same false god.


“It teaches that it is important for every man to have a religion of his own choice and to be faithful to it in thought and action. As a result, men of different religions meet in fellowship and brotherhood under the fatherhood of God. “ www.masonicinfo.com...

“He may be to you God or Jehovah or Adonai or Buddha or Allah . . . it makes no difference to Freemasons by what Name you call Him, so there is within you the humble acknowledgement that you are a creature of His, and that He reigns over the heavens and the earth.” www.masonicinfo.com...

“The true Mason is not creed-bound. He realizes with the divine illumination of his lodge that as a Mason his religion must be universal: Christ, Buddha or Mohammed, the name means little, for he recognizes only the light and not the bearer. He worships at every shrine, bows before every altar, whether in temple, mosque or cathedral, realizing with his truer understanding the oneness of all spiritual truth.” Source: The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, by Manly Palmer Hall, pg 65

By proclaiming all gods and all paths to be true, they have denied Jesus Christ. The Bible is clear:

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Ps 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.

Mt 6:24 [Luke 16:13] “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.”

Matt 12:30 [Luke 11:23] “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.”

This one issue alone should make every Christian run, but add to that the secrecy, oaths, pagan rituals & symbols and the conclusion is pretty obvious. Interestingly enough, if you are looking for books about Freemasonry, you will find them in the occult section of bookstores, or in stores specializing in the occult. If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck...

Last thought for any Christians involved in Freemasonry:

2 Cor 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with a non-believer? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said, “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people. 17 “Therefore come out from them and be separate. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you. 18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.”

The Masonic search after light leads directly back to the Kabala. you do not adjust your beliefs to fit the Bible, but adjust the Bible to fit their beliefs.

Freemasons do worship Satan, but they do not worship him under that name but under the name of lucifer, "the light bearer" or "the illuminated one". Albert Pike, founder of the Scottish Rite, wrote the book Morals and Dogma

oh and don't listen to me, I'm just a goyem in your eyes.

Originally posted by Appak


In 1995 I received the Scottish Rite's "Knight Commander of the Court of Honour" (KCCH) and in 2001 in Charleston South Carolina at the 200th Anniversary of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, U.S.A. I received

The Thirty-Third Degree !

Hey...you aren't Roy Clark, are ya?

Originally posted by solidgear
Freemasons do worship Satan, but they do not worship him under that name but under the name of lucifer, "the light bearer" or "the illuminated one". Albert Pike, founder of the Scottish Rite, wrote the book Morals and Dogma

oh and don't listen to me, I'm just a goyem in your eyes.

Since it's only been said in this forum about 1,000 times, it bears repeating.

There is NO GOD of Freemasonry. Freemasons worship God as they themselves (the individual) interprets God. My personal God is the God of Creation, the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. So, NO, I (a Freemason) do NOT worship Satan. Not in ANY form or under ANY name. You sir (or ma'am) are WRONG.

Freemasonic meetings are FRATERNAL meetings, not religious worship. There IS NO WORSHIP involved in Freemasonry. The Freemason (note the word "Free") is FREE to worship in any manner he pleases and in places APPROPRIATE FOR worship, which a Masonic Lodge is NOT.

Makes a nice place to play BINGO though, if you call THAT worship. sheesh

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Appak


In 1995 I received the Scottish Rite's "Knight Commander of the Court of Honour" (KCCH) and in 2001 in Charleston South Carolina at the 200th Anniversary of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, U.S.A. I received

The Thirty-Third Degree !

Hey...you aren't Roy Clark, are ya?

LOL! No, but I did get a chance to meet Roy Clark that day and shake his hand along with Michael Richards (Kramer from Seinfeld) both of whom received the 33rd that day! (which you obviously knew) It was quite an event.

Originally posted by solidgear
oaths say that you will kill those who reveal their secrets

Which oath is that? I've been through many Masonic degrees, and I certainly have never taken such an oath.

Membership in freemasonry is based on a person's belief in a god... not the God of the Holy Bible. It can be any god they choose.

Well, at least you got part of it right. Religious discrimination is not allowed in Freemasonry, so all men of upright character may be admitted regardless if they Christians, Jews, Hindus, or whatever.

They combine all gods into their one god [TGAOTU] and proclaim every path and every god - whether it's Jesus, Buddha, Vishnu - to be correct and true. Keep in mind they offer up communal prayers to their god [TGAOTU] during meetings, so when any Christian participates in such a thing, they are literally praying to that same false god.

I think Christians are pretty aware who they're praying to.

By proclaiming all gods and all paths to be true, they have denied Jesus Christ. The Bible is clear:

ATS isn't a Christian forum. Personally, I couldn't care less about your religious beliefs. ATS is about denying ignorance, not spreading it.

Nice rebutle!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Appak


LOL! No, but I did get a chance to meet Roy Clark that day and shake his hand along with Michael Richards (Kramer from Seinfeld) both of whom received the 33rd that day! (which you obviously knew)

It was quite an event.

Yes, I was there for most of it. I also got to meet Bro. Clark, and was able to attend the concert performed by Ill. Bro. Mel Tillis, 33°. I didn't make the banquet, and didn't get to meet Michael Richards.

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Originally posted by solidgear
Freemasons do worship Satan, but they do not worship him under that name but under the name of lucifer, "the light bearer" or "the illuminated one". Albert Pike, founder of the Scottish Rite, wrote the book Morals and Dogma

Albert Pike was not the founder of the Scottish Rite, nor did he ever say anything about worshiping Satan or Lucifer in Masonry. But why let the facts get in your way, huh?

oh and don't listen to me, I'm just a goyem in your eyes.

"Goyim" is a Yiddish word that means "Gentile". Since I'm not Jewish, then I'm goyim too, so what's up?

protocols of zion + Illuminati - 54,500 search results.

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protocols of zion + Satanist 68,500 search results

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And the winner is…

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Looks like Jews are still the top contenders, masons loose. :dw:











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Would you agree that the USA is built predominatly by Masons, was ruled by masons or other secret society members, & do you agree that washington DC is built with masonry symbols in its streets?

if so, then;

"To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the LUCIFERIAN Doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (Jesus)... calumniate (spread false and harmful statements about) him?...Yes Lucifer is God..."(Albert Pike, A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-Maqonnene Universelle, page 588.)

we all know Zionism can just as easily refer to a set way of thinking, rather than anti semetics

appak, who does your ultimate aleigence lie with, the God of Abraham & Issac, or you brotherhood. If you were put on the alter to be sacrificed & asked which you chose which would you choose?

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Solid I know what your trying to say but you cant reason with someone who will not look at all the evidence;

Now, from their own words and symbols, Freemasonry is proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be Satanic to the core! You can be deceived no longer.

by their symbols you can tell exactly where their light comes from and their writings also....

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]

What a revelation! From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to "seek the Light"! The average Mason is continually saying that he is "seeking the Light", and will spend his entire life "moving toward the Light". Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this "Light" is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian. Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry! Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry

Originally posted by solidgear
Would you agree that the USA is built predominatly by Masons, was ruled by masons or other secret society members, & do you agree that washington DC is built with masonry symbols in its streets?

Yes, yes, and no.

if so, then;

"To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the LUCIFERIAN Doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (Jesus)... calumniate (spread false and harmful statements about) him?...Yes Lucifer is God..."(Albert Pike, A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-Maqonnene Universelle, page 588.)

You do realize that the above, which you correctly attributed to Abel Clarin de la Rive, was retracted by De La Rive in the very next issue because he found out that it wasn't written by Albert Pike, but instead by an anti-Mason hoaxster named Leo Taxil, right?

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Originally posted by solidgear
we all know Zionism can just as easily refer to a set way of thinking, rather than anti semetics

Actually, Zionism is the belief that there should be a Jewish homeland. Pretty simple, actually.