'Lost:' Season Three Discussion...

Originally posted by they see ALL
- richard alpert seemed to have aged slower than ben did over the years...

Everyone is missing the point with Richard. It's not that he aged slower, it's that he hasn't aged at all. That's what they were trying to show. Remember, he's left the island as well, so the "He's a ghost" argument doesn't hold water.

I would be curious to see if anyone of the others from "The Purge" have also failed to aged.

Ben and Locke have the same power, whatever it is. Locke just doesn't know it yet...but when he does....thwap...knife right in Ben's forehead.


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Also, did everyone else get a real kick out of how the Dharma people were all "way out" and "free love" hippy like? Seemed like it was a great place to live, until the whole gas thing.

Also, I'd like to know if they grabbed the kids people slaughtering them with gas. Kids never deserve to die, regardless of the cause.

I was also thinking...Ben is scared of Jacob. That makes people think that Jacob is "evil or scary." I disagree.

What if Jacob just acts like that around Ben because he's being held captive?

What if Jacob is completely benevolent, but since he's being held captive, has to resort to extreme measures to protect himself against Ben?

Anyway, Jacob is reaching out to Locke, which means something in his and Be's relationship isn't all gravy. That was established. The question is, what power does Jacob really have, and if he's so strong, why does he need Locke's help?

I really don't think Jacob looks like Locke. Just look at how different the nose is.

There's alot to catch up on in this thread so if I say something already said, ignore it.

Firstly, Richard isn't the only one who didn't age. Horace looked exactly the same the first day on the Island and years later when he died.
Secondly, Jacob looks nothing like Locke. The shape of his head is different, the nose is and the eye (which I think was his) looked darker than Locke's.
I think he is a captive too, and that Ben was only pretending to listen to him. He seemed angry because Locke had actually heard him.
Jacob obviously has some sort of power, but how he got it is a mystery.

There's so much to talk about, that I forgot what else I wanted to say. So I'm gonna watch it again and make a list lol!

Thought this was an interesting read about Jacob in the bible.

When Jacob blesses his 12 sons, in Genesis 49, he describes Benjamin as a wolf that prowls, devouring his enemies in the morning and dividing up the spoils in the evening. (Genesis 49:27). King Saul, and Judge Ehud, were descendants of Benjamin, as was Paul and the prophet Jeremiah.

After the division of the Kingdom, the land of Benjamin served as a buffer zone between Israel and Judah. The name Benjamin means "Son of my right hand."

www.aboutbibleprophecy.com...

In the bible Rachel, Benjiman's mother died giving birth to him. Just the same as in this show.
What do you all think?

Oh ya, it doesn't look like Locke in HD.




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That is pretty awesome find about Jacob in the bible, as it relates to Lost!!! It was a fantasic episode, with so much information. I also agree to the theory that maybe Ben can't hear Jacob, and got pissed off when Locke did. Also I liked how good ole's Ben had some serious Daddy issues, and killed his own father as well!!!! Lot's of that seems to be going on with the island.

The Big O, as Sherlock, blows my mind with:

I did a slow mo during the scene in the cabin. There was a figure sitting on the chair for a few frames. He appeared to have the same type of garments the original inhabitants had on, long hair, and a very round forehead.

Wow, I totally missed that, but luckily I recorded the episode so I'll go check when I have a moment to. Nice theory on the dirt around Jacob's cabin too I figured it had some significance when they zoomed in on it for so long while Locke was checking it out. Is there a reason for why you think it's for what you say it's for? Still I had no idea, so I'm with you and your theory for the time being. With demons, spirits and such its said (in movies and whatnot) that spreading salt around 'them' keeps 'em trapped, fwiw.

(good thing I kept reading before I posted): Seen the screen cap posted by TSA, thanks! FYI, Big O, your link is dead now due to excessive bandwidth usage.

TSA said:

but now locke has heard jacob and this has made ben really angry...

Isn't the important revelation here that Ben did not hear Jacob. That's what POed Ben I think; Locke heard him but Ben didn't, perhaps Jacob is using Locke (giving him some abilities, maybe?) to 'help him' with his Ben situation. Whatever that situation might be... don't ask me, as usual I'm LOST.




TSA:

richard alpert seemed to have aged slower than ben did over the years...

He didn't seem, to me, to have aged at all. Surely they could have made it obvious, as it was with Ben and his dad. He looked the same, age-wise, as he did when Ben was a kid. He just had shorter hair. Just me?

(edit)I've got some weird comma fetish going on lately. Ask Freud.

[edit on 10-5-2007 by Rren]

Originally posted by The Big O
Everyone is missing the point with Richard. It's not that he aged slower, it's that he hasn't aged at all. That's what they were trying to show. Remember, he's left the island as well, so the "He's a ghost" argument doesn't hold water.

i didn't think he was a ghost, although i am reconsidering if he was an original inhabiter of the island...

it may be possible that richard came to the island (whether it be on the black rock or some other vehicle) and the original inhabitants of the island accepted him...

the only reason i think this is because of the fact that richard left (or was allowed to leave) the island to recruit people...

I would be curious to see if anyone of the others from "The Purge" have also failed to aged.

me too...

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Originally posted by The Big O
Also, did everyone else get a real kick out of how the Dharma people were all "way out" and "free love" hippy like? Seemed like it was a great place to live, until the whole gas thing.

well, they did start dharma at around the 70s-80s...

Also, I'd like to know if they grabbed the kids people slaughtering them with gas. Kids never deserve to die, regardless of the cause.

we aren't sure if there were kids on the island during that incident...

but that is a great question (one that i pondered last night, in fact)...

Originally posted by The Big O
I was also thinking...Ben is scared of Jacob. That makes people think that Jacob is "evil or scary." I disagree.

i wonder, then, if jacob really is trapped or controlled by ben...

if ben has trapped jacob, then he should have shown some back bone during that scene where jacob was going nuts...

Originally posted by JackofBlades
I think he is a captive too, and that Ben was only pretending to listen to him.

that makes sense...

thus, ben really is in control of jacob (or, at least, ben can contain him)...

Originally posted by Solarskye
Thought this was an interesting read about Jacob in the bible.

i noticed that a couple of months ago (when i wrote my theory on the history of ben)...

Originally posted by Rren
The Big O, as Sherlock, blows my mind with:

that was great, wasn't it???

Seen the screen cap posted by TSA, thanks!

no problem...

Isn't the important revelation here that Ben did not hear Jacob.

yes, i think...

He didn't seem, to me, to have aged at all.

yupp...

new trailer:

linky...

and, hmmm, i wonder if that is naomi talking about that her people are coming...

EDIT:

haha, i just noticed that sayid is teaching rose and bernard to shoot...




[edit on 10-5-2007 by they see ALL]

It sounded and looked like Carl jumping into Sayid. I think it was him.

EDIT:

This site has a good bit of info on the episode. They have a recording of Jacob speaking (which sounds under scrutiny like it was recorded and has been slowed down), the Whispers Ben hears (the second recording near the end has a voice that sounds like Jacob), and a very good picture of Jacob showing an eye.



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Originally posted by JackofBlades
This site has a good bit of info on the episode.

That site has a good bit of info on ALL the episodes.

I especially liked the screen grab showing the martial arts trophy at Jin's father's house. Looks like Jin does know his stuff.

I was just wondering, is it me or did Ben show more compassion for Horace than for his own father? Did Horace treat him more like a son than his dad?

And why did Ben say he was "One of the people" who sided with the Hostiles? Who were the rest? I think Danielle might have been one of them and instead of siding with them afterward went native.

Locke is the only reason I watch this show, if he's dead I'm out. In fact I'm out until someone can confirm for me that he's back. Could someone spam me a u2u or something once his fate is learned? Thank you.

Oh, and I had a feeling the dirt Locke noticed was ashes from a volcano. I just figured this might be the case as volcanoes are discussed earlier in the episode. How are volcano ashes important at this point? I dont' know.

Man, I'm still fuming though. Kill off the only truly interesting character, way to go! :bnghd:

I'd be interested to know what happened to the little girl that was Ben's friend. I can't see him allowing her to be harmed, or he really is a scumbag.

I've got a feeling Locke will survive. He seems to be the one character you can always expect to survive. Jacob will heal him and Locke will begin to try and free him from Ben.

Based on timelines, I'd venture to say Alex was born prior to the purge.

If Dharma started in the 60s, and Ben aged at least 20 years, that makes the purge around 80 or so. I mean, it would have to be. If it was any later, then Alex couldn't be as old as she is right now.

Honestly, I don't think Alex is actually Beb's kid my blood. He took her when she was born, and claimed her so to speak.

Also, remember the blonde haired lady in a painting a few shows back? The one in Ben's little house? Well, that's Ben's mother. Not Juliet as some has suspected.

Just a comparison of the two.


This is probably way off, but I'm wondering if that's the real Richard Alpert in the cabin. It could explain why the Richard outside the cabin hasn't aged at all. Is someone taking his place while the real Richard is held captive.

Just thought I'd toss this out there.

List of characters with bad fathers:

1. Jack
2. Sun
3. Desmond (if you count his would be father in law)
4. Ben
5. Locke
6. Sawyer (remember, he killed himself)
7. Kate
8. Claire (same as Jack)
9. Hurley

I'm going to venture to say that before everything is said and done, we'll see that Charlie's father sucks tool.

This is quite a list.

Originally posted by Solarskye
This is probably way off, but I'm wondering if that's the real Richard Alpert in the cabin. It could explain why the Richard outside the cabin hasn't aged at all. Is someone taking his place while the real Richard is held captive.

I don't think Richard is in the cabin. Refer to the image I posted of Jacob earlier ()
You can see a lot more of his face very clearly, and he looks nothing like Richard.

Originally posted by JackofBlades


I don't think Richard is in the cabin. Refer to the image I posted of Jacob earlier ()
You can see a lot more of his face very clearly, and he looks nothing like Richard.

You're probably right Jackofblades. It;s most likely a new guy joining the Lost scene. I know I've seen that face somewhere before, just can't firgure him out. Well, I'll just have to wait for the next episode or two to find out. I'm still cheering on Locke and hope he gets help and survives. That Ben needs a couple bullets in his head.