Why Islam is not a religion of peace.

18.95: He said: That in which my Lord has established me is better, therefore you only help me with workers, I will make a fortified barrier between you and them;

18.96: Bring me blocks of iron; until when he had filled up the space between the two mountain sides, he said: Blow, until when he had made it (as) fire, he said: Bring me molten brass which I may pour over it.

18.97: So they were not able to scale it nor could they make a hole in it.

18.98: He said: This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the promise of my Lord comes to pass He will make it level with the ground, and the promise of my Lord is ever true.

18.99: And on that day We will leave a part of them in conflict with another part, and the trumpet will be blown, so We will gather them all together;

18.100: And We will bring forth hell, exposed to view, on that day before the unbelievers.


Hmm that's a scary prophecy....the way I see it is IF it is fortelling of the future...then the wall of iron was the Iron Curtain laid by the Soviet Union, whom during the cold war drew ALL our attention away from Islam and its dangers.

Now the curtain has fallen, we have fought ourselves, the time for THEM (Islam to bring hell upon the non-believers) is at hand.

This won't end without either Us or Them being eliminated so long as those terrorists veiw that passage as I do.

To read more on the koran go to...

etext.lib.virginia.edu...

Sincerely,
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It's a fact. When you are muslim, you can say and write what you want about the others religions and nations. NOBODY will dare to stop you, otherwise, "you" will be treated like a " racist " or an anti-muslim.

I wonder why ours leaders are so " respectfull " and blinded when they have to speak about this religion.

We can say and write what we about Chatolicism, Christianism, Jews and even shouting against the Pope, but we have to shut our mouth when something is going wrong with the muslim faith.

Strange.......

All you people are crazy especially fukin UP and (freemason)...What happened when we puposefully went to war with japan?? death camps?? yes.. What happened to the native americans? OH and not to mention the black community??
We are careful of race for a reason..that isnt crap, but the reason the media gives is crap. I mean when something like this happens..people are scared..most of the muslim people are peaceful in this country ..actually i havent meant one bad muslim yet..(though im sure they are out there) and then suddenly everyone who commits a crime should be checked of their backf\ground to be muslim??
Wouldnt it be a big disappointment for the govt if we EVER find out muslims were not the ones responsible for the 911 attacks..??? IF people like richard reid, zacharias, etc..had nothing to with muslims...but actually their own sent people. Yes people this is a conspiracy...a one that will trail on for years to come ...becasue thats is America's history!
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Well OrionSirius, I don't know for FM, but for me, I know. I'm not crazy.

And why are you speaking about races ????

Muslims aren't a race.It's a faith ! So, don't do the eternal mistake. To be suspect with the muslim faith doesn't mean to be racist !

Others ATS users are skeptic about Christians faith, and I don't think that you'll call them " racists ".

May be you fon't know it, but there is a lot of peoples, whites, blacks, yellows, browns, who are skeptic also with the muslim faith. Do you think that they are all racists ?

OrionSirius incase you are too stupid to read big words.....I just gave irrefutable proof of the damaging influences of Islam to those who wish to twist it so....to those who practice the "Peace" of islam they are suceptible too....in case you did not know there are two halves of the Koran....

The peice written in Muhammad's early years...which was when he tired of in-fighting and tribal strife...and the peice written in Muhammad's later years, where he wanted revenge against those who did not want to believe his teachings, and those who were rebelling against his lead.

Much like the Bible there are two halves...but unlike the bible...which goes from much death and hate to....love and peace, and a loving god.

The Koran goes from a loving god preaching peace...to a vengeful god asking for the death of anyone who does not pray 5 times every day and give all their life to islam and it's monarchies.

This is best expressed in the changes of islamic belief from 600 AD to present.

In about 900AD when the religion was still young it was believed that if you did not follow the teachings of islam every day...that you were still holy and allowed to go to heaven if you at least gave rememberance...meaning remembering "oh yeah I didn't pray today, but circumstances prevented it, forgive me oh lord".

Now if you forget to do such things, in these theocratic Islamic states, if you forget to pray even once, and are caught, they publicly stone you or shoot you.

Or if they are more moderate, and practice the eye for an eye they may just take your hand, or your tongue.

Why don't you come out of your dream world Orion?

When we were killing indians....they were killing us...any idiot who believes that the indians were wronged unjustly is either a californian liberal, or never lived in the west.

I'm sorry but I live just 5 miles from one of the biggest indian masacares of settlers that ever took place, and 300 more were killed when they went off to fight these indians for "revenge" purposes.

It wasn't until the calvary caught up with them at wounded knee that justice was "injustly" administered...now what I mean by that is they had every right to attack and subdue this tribe, but they DID go too far, and made them suffer more then they made us...but such is life, and usually the action of individuals...not nations.

And you further prove your ignorance by saying that Japs were marched off to death camps...most japs went to "interment camps" big difference, and by the end of the war many were already serving in the armed forces. And a Japanese regiment that served in Europe in '44 is the most decorated regiment of the war.

I don't think mistreated people give so much sacrifice to the nation that is "mistreating them".

Sincerely,
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Hmmm...I wonder?

...Could it possibly be that the world's leaders actually serve some forgotten deity that would give Lovecraft nightmares...And that perhaps all of these wars are massive *human sacrifices* in worship?...

Very good point of view MD. We have to think about it !

When you are a nation-leader who's believing in God, you don't start a war. Wars are killing humans, and when you do that, you're against God.

And when you're against God, you are pro-Satan or others falses deity.

"" Are catholics against birth control ""

Absolutely, we believe that you should never waste gods seed. God never intended
for condoms and such as that to be used.


Now the moslem koran.

look, in there, there are passages that would tend to indicate the acceptance of hate or violence
towards jews and christians.

"" Do not associate with the jews or christians, for they belong to each other, and
god srely does not guide the "infidels" ""

thats a literal statement.

jesus never said do not associate with a particular group of people, or never
said do not be friends with them.

jesus teaches..

1. Love thy neighbor as thyself.

2. vengance is mine i will repay.

3. Love thy enimies.

Now you talk about the OT being full of violence. God is a justfull god and whatever
he did back then in the OT i will not doubt.

In the old law he ordered men to kill those who were against him, they never killed unless god literally ordered them to.

The muslims kill at will without divine order, but a false perception of heaven.

Also there are no contradictions in the bible. contradictions come from a lack of misunderstanding of the qoutes
and putting passages in different contexts to what god really meant.

Also in the Koran, having sex with children is not considered wrong.

Ill explain the difference between the bibles version of infidels and the korans.


See the bible explains evil as those who are outwardly evil, meaning by their fruits you shall know them.

The koran teaches that a "certain" group is evil, meaing "all" in that group are evil because they belong to a group.

its really hard to undertand what im saying, but there is a major difference in whos considered evil or infidels in the two books.


The koran does not teach, vengance is gods he will repay.

it teaches that God works through the people to commit his vengance when our bible clearly indicates that
vengance is gods he will repay.

You talk about the crusade and the moslems of today.

there is a difference.

The need to protect yourself, and the willingly destruction of "all" infidels.

notice the crusade happened only in one part of history and neither you or I know for sure
why this happened.

You give one part of the catholic church and christianty.

what about the some 1,000s of 1,000s of saints of the church who were being mutilated by the roman empire or
by other pagan governments.

Non the less this will all be sorted out soon enough by "God" not men.

But what im saying is that the koran literally has passages indicating violence against all jews and christians, thus could lead
to major acts like you see today.

peace.

The Roman empire persecuted christians because the Christians would not recognize rome's gods.

Rome was more tollerating of anyone's religion back then then anyone is now. (except the freemasons )

But one thing they required was to show at least respect for Rome's beliefs....christians did not...they spat on Rome, cursed it and their gods...they diserved everything they had coming to them, it is a shame Rome didn't finish them when it had the chance, because of Christianity Rome fell...

As for the pagans, I'm sorry but I feel that the Norse Religions held more decency than does Christianity, it taught through epics morality, honor, bravery...everything that was noble in man...then christianity comes along and eventually twists the Norse men into its belief.

Sadly when it comes to the fall of the pagans, it is more due to particular pagans coverting rather than christians slaughtering the bunch of them. But it doesn't change the fact that all humanity went out the window once christianity assumed the "throne of the world" and began its great purge of all "non-believers".

God isn't just...he's vengful, and he'll be forgotten because of it...the Church knows this (hence their blaming of scapegoats)....there is no room for vengeful gods anymore.

Sincerely,
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LoL Jesus...was a man...like buddha....his apostles spread his word and christians in Rome nearly 200 years later, made him (since he was their first martyr) the son of god. There is no direct evidence discounting it because any written literature from the time has been changed by the church of rome.

Sincerely,
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You want to argue religion, you'll atke it to the sick world of the religion section. You want to keep this topic on the terror track and I won't slap a lock on it.

"Truth" and F-M, stay on track.

Wow TC thanks for showing how intelligent you are....this whole terrorist mess is a direct result of religion...to further this post you must discuss their religious as well as cultural values...

Sincerely,
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F-M, you have a point. Since there are people that are not bright enough to detect the nuances that allowed this thread to stay in the terror section, and seeing how you and "Truth" can't seem to figure out such things, we're moving this to where it probably should have been anyway.

This way, we can keep "Truth"'s dogma and your ignorant hate in the forum where such stupidity belongs.

LoL my ignorant hate....Excuse me but I've actually done quite a bit of research on Islam and its effect on its people...I don't think you've done anything but see some minute political actions, which only fan the flames.

Sincerely,
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Yours and Truth's posting were not about Islam and its effects on the spread of terror, but you know that you are trying to twist words and truth; that's what you do.

I'm sure your study of Islam is as indepth as your study of Christianity (nonexistant), but in the case of Islam, I'd say that I am no more an expert than you. Difference is, you don't let ignorance stand in the way of posting worthless crap.

[Edited on 11-11-2002 by Thomas Crowne]

No actually I and my friends are more the expert than you in this matter.

You overlook the simple fact of "Beddouin" value system. Or perhaps you never heard of them?

You probably never even looked at the koran, let alone link it up to its origins within the beddouin values.

Sincerely,
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No kidding. But did you notice that every Muslim group having troubles letting their neighbors live in peace are not Beddouin?
Your friends might have a clue, as I don't know them to make a guess, but as for you, I don't think you'd have a clue about anything unless you read it on some anti-Christian hack website.

LoL all you can do is discredit, you are as bad as those "anti-christian" websites...which by the way I only visit Anti-masonry websites to see what drivel they have out this week.

As for the "not all being Beddouin" this is very true, if you'd use a little thinking, you'd know that that explains the "vengeful" properties embeded into the koran...now the koran is the primary driving force behind perpetuating the violence, because in Islamic nations exposed to fighting...and there are plenty, the koran is telling them that fighting is the right thing to do...they use it as their justification because of course...everyone must justify their cause.

But unlike Christianity where the Bible goes from Hate and kill to the new testament which is Love and peace, the Koran goes from the first half which is somewhat Love and peace, to Hate kill and avenge the lord...see the difference TC???

Sincerely,
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wait a minute.

Thomas, this "dogma" i learned came from miracles and literal
happenings i cannot explain. i did "not" have man reveal this "dogma" to
me but our lord in heaven.

believe what you will.

Freemason, im telling you christ is the lord. you will be given a sign
along with the world of jesus. will you reject it?


Thomas, i gave two passages that indicate muslims having hate towards all infidels.

It says they are not to have christians and jews as even friends.

Thats a literal passage from the koran, and those type of passagess do
have a lot to do with the problem today.

Freemason im telling you with all my heart tha christ is the lord.

peace.

I don't doubt you were given signs from "christ" but I've only been given signs from "fate" if you will...I've been led too far from god, to believe in christ.

But I now sort of see maybe the hidden truth, from the distance I've been sent...that we are all "searching" for god...in nature, in science, in everything, that great cosmic order that we can not explain.

That God we seek is ourselves, it is the trees, the birds, everything of this world even the wind...in everything we only find ourselves...in ourselves we only find everything.

The stars made of dust...the dust of stars...our minds made of the remains of dead stars...and they will return to the planet to be consumed by our solar fires, in its final life.

When you isolate god to being a "person, or being" that punishes...that saves...you isolate your mind.

Fate...Soul...Nature...everything, constitutes god, because it is in everything that we derive purpose...and it is everything that is SO ordered...so "magica" that it can not have been here on its own...without any purpose.

Why we believe what we believe might just be a design in fate to lead us where we are going....maybe none of us have stepped out of the river that is fate as I had previously thought.

Sincerely,
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