what proof is there that 'god' exists?

There is evidence of God, I said that all ready, people just have to look and see the proof, a smart man, see evidence and reconise the truth, a stupid man see the truth and walks away and says its not true. U can say all u want that God is not real, but when his son comes u will see the truth, and by then it might be too late.

Originally posted by slymattb
There is evidence of God, I said that all ready, people just have to look and see the proof, a smart man, see evidence and reconise the truth, a stupid man see the truth and walks away and says its not true. U can say all u want that God is not real, but when his son comes u will see the truth, and by then it might be too late.

I will say again, IF there is so much evidence then WHY am I an Athesit????? Why doesnt' over 70% of the worlds population agree with what you say???

You can say all YOU want that YOUR god IS real but that doesnt make it true!



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Originally posted by slymattb
There is evidence of God, I said that all ready, people just have to look and see the proof, a smart man, see evidence and reconise the truth, a stupid man see the truth and walks away and says its not true. U can say all u want that God is not real, but when his son comes u will see the truth, and by then it might be too late.

if there was evidence, then why can't you show it to us?

this is the inherent problem with religions such as christianity

they believe that they hold a higher truth that makes nonbelievers inferior

If you're looking for proof of God, may I suggest Lee Strobel's book: The Case For A Creator (2004)? He interviews many scientists, nobel prize winners and nominees, zoologists, biologists, cosmologists, etc. He discusses all the ID vs. evolution evidence and shows that much of it (such as Darwin's tree of life, Haeckel's embryos, archaeopteryx missing link, etc.) has already been debunked or proven fraudulent even though the text books in schools refuse to get rid of it. He discusses the logic of showing that a Creator is the best explanation for explaining all the evidence and why formerly atheist scientists are changing their tune to say the scientific evidence points to a Creator.

As to "why doesn't most or all of the world know about proof of God if the proof exists"?....I'd have to ask why most of the world doesn't know about the 9/11 conspiracy when plenty of evidence exists? Obviously the majority doesn't know because the people in power have an agenda that doesn't include the majority knowing and because the majority of people don't know that the evidence is readily available on sites like this one.

The evidence is there, people, and it's overwhelming, logical, scientific and doesn't require one iota of "faith" or scriptural debate to be convincing. In fact, Strobel was an atheist who set out to prove to his newly converted wife (also former atheist) that she had lost her mind and he was going to back it up by getting opinions from the most knowledgeable people in science. He wound up becoming a convert himself.

There is proof in it is

Originally posted by whitewave
If you're looking for proof of God, may I suggest Lee Strobel's book: The Case For A Creator (2004)? He interviews many scientists, nobel prize winners and nominees, zoologists, biologists, cosmologists, etc. He discusses all the ID vs. evolution evidence and shows that much of it (such as Darwin's tree of life, Haeckel's embryos, archaeopteryx missing link, etc.) has already been debunked or proven fraudulent even though the text books in schools refuse to get rid of it. He discusses the logic of showing that a Creator is the best explanation for explaining all the evidence and why formerly atheist scientists are changing their tune to say the scientific evidence points to a Creator.

As to "why doesn't most or all of the world know about proof of God if the proof exists"?....I'd have to ask why most of the world doesn't know about the 9/11 conspiracy when plenty of evidence exists? Obviously the majority doesn't know because the people in power have an agenda that doesn't include the majority knowing and because the majority of people don't know that the evidence is readily available on sites like this one.

The evidence is there, people, and it's overwhelming, logical, scientific and doesn't require one iota of "faith" or scriptural debate to be convincing. In fact, Strobel was an atheist who set out to prove to his newly converted wife (also former atheist) that she had lost her mind and he was going to back it up by getting opinions from the most knowledgeable people in science. He wound up becoming a convert himself.

Thats it, the existence of God has been proven by LEE STROBEL. Why didn't I read his books before becoming an atheist - would have saved me the hassle. Thanks for the great information it explains absolutely everything about god - I going to convert tomorrow.



Arghh It was only a bad dream.
Why should I listen to Lee Strobel and his ideas. I am quite capable of making up my own mind thank you.



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I guess sometimes extraordinary things must be experienced in order to know that extraordinary things exist. Sometimes experience is the only proof there is.

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God is the silence between the posts.......
god is the hum of the electrons .......
god is infinite i think may be commiting blasphemy because the infinite has no name it is there .

god is the love you feel in your heart ...
god is the silence in your mind .....


if one has not cleared there mind from all beliefs religous and scientific you will be far from the wholeness of god . religion is a ladder on the path to the mountain top you have to leave the ladder someday and enjoy the infinite silence beyond belief beyond contemplation.

but there are no have to's in god, everything just is.

everyone here I respect your search for knowledge but scientifics you also must leave your beliefs and then your mind will expand dont believe in anything live everything .
and that was my 2 cents

Originally posted by shihulud
Thats it, the existence of God has been proven by LEE STROBEL. Why didn't I read his books before becoming an atheist - would have saved me the hassle. Thanks for the great information it explains absolutely everything about god - I going to convert tomorrow.
Arghh It was only a bad dream.
Why should I listen to Lee Strobel and his ideas. I am quite capable of making up my own mind thank you.

I agree with you...
Isn't it amazing that they all say there is evidence, there is evidence! Yet no evidence is ever produced.
You can have the same discussion with a Moslim, with a Mormon, with a Hindu.
If God did exist I would be doing his will by being doubtful, so why should I give up my ability to think and discern.
If God is there and you are doing his bidding you have nothing to worry and you will certainly have reserved your place in Paradise.

Shihalud,
I didn't say Lee Strobel had proven the existence of God. I said he'd written a book compiling information from Nobel prize winners, etc. that he'd interviewed. THEY'VE proven the existence of God. SCIENCE itself is proving the existence of God. Please open the other eye and read what was actually posted before opening your mouth to malign a book you haven't read.

Just because someone wins the Nobel Prize doesn't mean they're all knowing. Stanley 'Tookie' Williams was nominated for a Nobel Prize, but I don't think he knows any more about it than I do.

The fact is there is no proof of God.

I'd like to bring up the Babel Fish and how it relates to this discussion.

Now it is such a bizarrely impossible coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the nonexistence of God. The arguement goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," say Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't though of that" and promply vanishes in a puff of logic.
--THGTG

God often vanished in a puff of logic doesn't he.

If God had actually said "without faith I am nothing" then your argument might hold some (stagnant) water but He didn't. Your pundit proves nothing. Ridicule adds nothing to a serious debate and only reveals the weakness of your argument.

If God existed, and wanted us to know he existed (as the big white guy in the sky) he would come down and say hi. Because he hasn't done so, it's logical to assume that he can't or won't prove his existance.

Which means God doesn't exist as we assume he does, or he doesn't exist at all.

Originally posted by whitewave
Shihalud,
I didn't say Lee Strobel had proven the existence of God. I said he'd written a book compiling information from Nobel prize winners, etc. that he'd interviewed. THEY'VE proven the existence of God. SCIENCE itself is proving the existence of God. Please open the other eye and read what was actually posted before opening your mouth to malign a book you haven't read.

I makes no difference whether it was Lee Strobel or Nobel prize winners, I am still not going to take the word of someone else just because its someone else. Tell you what, in my last post just replace the 'Lee Strobel' with 'Nobel Prize winners'.

Oh and by the way science has NOT proving the existence of god whatever some book says.


G

Ok guys, I see some of you have tested a few of us believers about proof of God.

I got a few bits of proof about God, im sure theres more, BUT if you're gonna read this then research about what im about to say, if you want to know the truth you should find out properly that its 100% true, or if you think this is wrong, then you want to be telling me and all the believers because we want to know all the truth, and hear your views.

Another thing just to make clear, there are football players and there are FOOTBALL PLAYERS, just like there are christians and there are CHRISTIANS, dont be deceived by what people say about christians, if you hear a christian swearing or stealing, or in other words (SIN), dont think bad about what they believe or that person, that person just like you or any other makes mistakes even thought they do it most of the time they know they are wrong, but everyone goes the wrong way sometimes even though they know it, in other words NO ONE is perfect, apart from God.

Ok heres the proof,

1 - JOB 38:31

"Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion?"(NKJ)
a. Pleiades...........Stars moving slowly in the same direction - a bound cluster, will always do this.

b. Orion...............A cluster of stars moving rapidly in different directions, will ultimatly be dispersed all over the universe - called a disrupted or loose cluster.

These Scientific facts have only been understood in the last 30 years.
God is saying could Job achieve that?

the Dead Sea scrolls were found by accident in 1947 in a cave at Khirbat Qumran on the shore of the Dead Sea, containing the last 7 chapters of Job, Job only has 42 chapters so this chapter was the one they found.

Questions: How did Job know the behaviour of these two clusters?
- God must have told Job what to write!
- i.e. the Bible is written by God.

Therefore God must exist for Job to have known that.

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2 - What various holy books or religious say about the world :-

a. HINDU - Vadas..........The earth sits on the back of an elephant. When the elephant stretches, they get an earthquake!
WRONG , A SCIENTIFIC ERROR

b. SHINTO (Japan).........The earth rests on a catfish, every timethe catfish dives they get a tidal wave!
WRONG, A SCIENTIFIC ERROR

c. GREEK......................Atlas holds up the world on his shoulders!
WRONG, A SCIENTIFIC ERROR

d. MUSLIM....................The earth rests on one horn of a bull and changes from horn to horn each year!
WRONG, A SCIENTIFIC ERROR

e. BIBLE - JOB 26:7......................"...He hangs the earth on nothing....."
CORRECT, scientifically error

Question : How did Job know that?
- God must have told Job what to write
- i.e. the Bible is written by God

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3 - The Bible describes the shape of the circle of the earth.

Isaiah 40:22 "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth..."(NKJ)

The word "circle" in Hebrew "CHUNG".
It means :-circle, sphere, the arch or vault of the heaven.
(Wilsons' Old Testament Word Studies).

Question : why did the translator select "circle" and not "sphere"?
Answer : because at that time everyone thought the world was flat.
So Isaiah 40:22 could read "It is i=he who sits above the sphere of the earth..."

Questions : How did Job know that? He could not have know.
- God must have told Job what to write!
- i.e. the Bible is written by God

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Sorry Gonz, but you are wrongz

1. Stars will never lose their positions in anyone's lifetime, or even generations. That first quote proves nothing.

And to say that the symbolism in te bible is true if interpreted one way, but the symbolism in other holy books is inaccurate when interpreted another way is completely illogical and rediculous.

For example.

I could say "Orion doesn't actually have a belt

WRONG, SCIENTIFICALLY ORION HAS NO BELT, THEY'RE JUST STARS!!!

Symbolism can be interpreted in many ways.

4 - The Bible describes the movement of the earth

The Lord, speaking about the world says:
Job 38:14 "It is turned as clay to the seal;..."(KJ)
To put a "seal" on something, a cylinder with the name\signature raised on it was rolled across the clay seal.

How does the cylinder move?
a. It rotates about the it's axis!
b. It moves through space!
- CORRECT, Exactly how the earth moves!

Question : How did Job know that? He could not have known.
- God must have told Job what to write!
- i.e. the Bible is written by God.

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5 - The Bible states that at any time, half the world in light, half in darkness.

LUKE 17:34-36
Question : Does this mean Jesus returns twice - once during daytime and once during the night?
No! It means that at any point in time, half world is in darkness (people in bed) and half in daylight (working).

Questions : How did Luke know this?
- God must have told him what to write.
- i.e. the Bible is written by God.

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I hope you understand, and also research on this dont just try and prove it wrong.
Instead of looking on Google and look for proof that God doesnt exist try looking for stuff that proves God, if your really sure God doesnt exist then this shouldnt affect your beliefs, all you'll do is find out for sure that you are right about God being fake, OR you will realise that theres a God after all.

I only wanted to show you that there is proof that God exists, I know that sometimes its hard to understand things, im only 19 and im finding out things in life that are hard to accept but after becoming a christian its revealed a lot to me.

With Love from Gonz

Ok well research on Orion and you'll find out......

Again, symbolosm can be interpreted many ways.

and even if you interpreted it correctly, it's a huge conclusion to jump to that God told Job.

It could have been an alien.

Or an Elf

Or a dude in a time machine.

Or a freakin' talking dog

OR MAYBE JUST MAYBE, IF YOU TRY AND ALLOW SOME THOUGHTS TO COME INTO YOUR MIND YOU COULD SAY THAT JUST MAYBE THAT WAS GOD, WHEN IT WAS AFTER ALL WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE NOT AN ALIEN BIBLE