Do you think Jesus is angry?

Yeah, I often wonder what kind of steak sauce Jesus would like.

"New feelings brewing in Duffman... what... would Jesus do?".

-the simpsons

i almost pissed myself when i heard that

Of course he is angry.

He told us what to do when he was here last and how many did what they were told?

now he is coming back to see who has been naughty and nice, much like santa.

to those that have been nice he may offer your spirit some protection to those that have been naughty,

may god bless your soul.

Read Mat. 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-18, or Luke 19: 35-47

It seems like Jesus is angry in those verses. If anyone has control of lightning wouldn't it be God the creator? Maybe God is angry if Jesus is who he led us to believe he was.

Originally posted by Satyr
Yeah, I often wonder what kind of steak sauce Jesus would like.

I doubt he would have steak in the first place, I think he's vegetarian eating manna and the fruit of the Tree of Life

Blessings,
Mikromarius

None of this is funny so I odn't know why you all mak e ligh of it. Its as if you all don't realize that you're gonna die and have to deal with your maker in the afterlife.

As for the original question and was it Jesus who became angry? Well he said that anything said against Himself or the Father would be forgiven, but if someone dared to speek against the Holy Spirit, it would never be forgiven. Probably since it is impossible, even for God or even more likely: especially for God....

Blessings,
Mikromarius

i guess the real ? is what will you do? think of this....the 'bible' was written in a much simpler age......now...if hayzeus was to come back now-a-days, how many people do u think would actual believe that hayzeus came back?...well?? with how splittered 'religion' is..there is no way...unless of course the example of power is so overwhelming that only the stupid (read average) people wouldn't see it.....sort of like in the book leviathon...also, why would hayzeus care...alledgedly dad could just start things over.........

There's many religions. They all think they are true and correct, yet some of them have radical differences in the exact details of their version of the story.

I think it's time for mankind to kick off all this nonsense and move into an age of science and humanity.

I mean no offense to your beliefs, but it all seems so wrong to me.

Sorry, pal, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Yeah we're all gonna die soon, it's terrible, but it won't get any better if we sit aound crying, that's for sure. Keep your candles burning there, buddy. Atleast all ends well. Or as one of the many things Nick Cave and my good friend Yeshuah bar Yoseph agrees on: Death is not the end.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Originally posted by clearmind
if hayzeus was to come back now-a-days, how many people do u think would actual believe that hayzeus came back?

Your Zeus whom you salutes was Satan last time I looked. He's going down, down up out and he always gives hell for the believers and a piece of Heaven for the deceivers. YHWH Elohim however will make an entrance you won't miss for a million bucks.

BTW when talking about lighteningbolts and gods. Has anyone seen Loki lately? I might have given him a bad idea earlier, you see I reminded him about the time he stole Mj�lnir AKA Tor's Hammer....

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Originally posted by Colonel
None of this is funny so I odn't know why you all mak e ligh of it. Its as if you all don't realize that you're gonna die and have to deal with your maker in the afterlife.

No. It's more like I know there is no maker to deal with. I doubt there is an "afterlife". Death doesn't scare me in the least, nor does your vengeful god who's supposedly going to cast me into hell because I don't get on my knees for anyone.

Originally posted by Zzub
I mean no offense to your beliefs, but it all seems so wrong to me.

I know what you mean. It just seems so primitive, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Nerdling
God hates thespians

Why else would he create Liza Minelli?

I don't think God hate me; I happen to be a card-carrying Thespian myself. I have been for over 20 years...I just haven't made any kind of *career* of that part of my life.

...Maybe you might wish to rephrase or clarify yourself?...

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

Originally posted by YhwhsCreation
Jim Caviezel was just very down to earthed. get it

[worst joke ever, sorry every body

]

You're saying he was a well-grounded individual?

(Just trying to compound the misery!)

Originally posted by MsRedBeauty
He must not have been too grounded if he was struck twice by lightning

That's probably the way some people look at it...The same type of people who think that lightning *doesn't* strcick twice in the same place because they can't believe that the same place is still there after the first strike...

But it *has* been proven scientifically that, if lightning strikes a place once, then it means that place is likely to attract more lightning later...You might say that they're *conductive* to the physics of lightning...

Whichever way you look at it, I'll bet Jim Caviezel got a real *charge* out of playing Jesus...But I think he'll need to use more makeup now because of how the electrical burns would make his appearance more re*volt*ing...It's enough to light up your eyes like a (l)amp...I kinda of wonder: *Watt* does Jim thinks of all of this media attention over it?

Originally posted by mikromarius
Did you know that the egglaying Easter Bunny you find in most Christian homes during Easter is a mythical creature that exists in ancient Venus myths?

As a matter of fact, I did know that. As I also know that many of the Judeo-Christian holidays were "borrowed" & altered from old "pagan" (mostly Druidic) practices & festivals: Holloween, the date of the year chosen for Christmas & Easter, etc., etc. Also, quite a few Saints of the Roman Catholic Canon are merely worked-over gods & goddesses of older religions as well; One example is St. Bridget, who was orignally the Celtic Briget (sp?), patron goddess of fire...Santa Claus (St. Nicholas) is another that was "borrowed" too.

It's all the fault of *organized* religion...If people would just take the time to learn for themselves instead of relying on someone else who happens to *make their living from their religion*, then things would probably start to work out...As it is, too many people put their faith in blind ignorance instead of the spirit.

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
But it *has* been proven scientifically that, if lightning strikes a place once, then it means that place is likely to attract more lightning later...You might say that they're *conductive* to the physics of lightning...

Whichever way you look at it, I'll bet Jim Caviezel got a real *charge* out of playing Jesus...But I think he'll need to use more makeup now because of how the electrical burns would make his appearance more re*volt*ing...It's enough to light up your eyes like a (l)amp...I kinda of wonder: *Watt* does Jim thinks of all of this media attention over it?

After rereading, I did notice, however, that it was the asst. director that got struck twice. Caviezel was only struck once. Ironically, the asst. director had been struck before on another screenset. (I think it was) Some people have been known to just attract lightning. Look at that "That's Incredible" dude. (If you're old enough to remember that show) He was struck, what? Seven times?

What kind of motorcycle would Jesus ride?

I think that Jim Caviezel must have a very electric personality. I do not believe that Jesus, or as he is known when not inhabiting earth, God, is sitting up in heaven firing lightening bolts at actors portraying him. I have a sneaking suspicion that something like an INFINITE god, probably has better things to do with his time than zap humans. besides, bush is acting like he's god, and he hasn't been struck yet. I think that an actor in a movie would be less of a priority than a warmongering elitist.

Then you haven't understood squat of how Jesus is. Turn the other cheek to the world? Yeah right. Jesus shall judge the world, not hug it. When Jesus tells his followers to turn the other cheek, he says that we should leave the judgment to Jesus, so he can be pissed in our place and judge the quick and the dead. If we don't turn the other cheek (like Bush should have done) Jesus simply leaves us, for we have shown that we want to take the measures into our own hands and trust our own strength and our own righteousness. If we don't trust Jesus we have no part in him. If we love our brothers and sisters more than we love Jesus, Jesus rebukes us.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
John 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
John 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
**reprove means: 1 : to scold or correct usually gently or with kindly intent

So, the "Comforter" or "Spirit of truth" will scold us for not believing, serve as an example of righteousness in place of Jesus, and uphold the judgment that was passed on the prince of this (physical) world. Not exactly bolts of lightening, if you ask me. The more I have read and thought about this subject, the more I feel that the "devil", "prince of this world", or "Satan" is a way of impressing upon us the evil nature of our flesh alone vs. the pure nature of our spirit alone. Our flesh has been judged and it will die and return to dust. Our pure spirit is immortal and cannot do evil, thus it ascends to "heaven". When we return to the light or being "one" with God, we experience true peace, "hell" is the darkness or separation from God we experience while we live on earth. I make this claim based on the statement that the prince of this world was judged at the crucifixion. I have compared the references to "Satan" or the devil and they all apply to actions done by us, where we have acted solely for the flesh and disregarded the spirit.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
John 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
**could the reason He told Mary not to touch him be because he was in a pure or spirit form (like a ghost) and the touch of man may have affected His ability to rejoin with the "One" in heaven? Just a theory.

from Mikromarius
Take my advise and take your children out of the Church unless you want to see them burn to dust until the fire is warm enough for yourself to be cast into the furnace. He's not playing games. He wants faithfullness. He wants his Sabbaths, his Passover and his Law.

**I agree that the Church (meaning organized religions) is a "false prophet" in the sense that it prevents people from finding the "Spirit of Truth". I disagree however, that rituals or symbolism are requirements for "salvation".

John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
John 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

**that's it. No other rules about the Sabbath, Passovers, and the Law (as given in the old testament). In fact, He habitually performed miracles on the Sabbath to make a point that it was the righteousness of the action, not the action itself, that had merit. Ritualistic atonements were no longer necessary for salvation after the Crucifixion. The only thing he requested of us was to love each other like he loves us, and to believe in God.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

**The only people that seem to receive any reprimands are the Jews (which were blinded to the "truth" in order to fulfill the prophesies)

John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 9:40 And [some] of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth

John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
John 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

**Up until the Crucifixion, salvation was restricted to the Jews. Afterward, Heaven was open to anyone wishing to believe in it.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

**The whole idea that Jesus was "hurt" because he was betrayed by Judas and the Jews is absurd. It is repeated over and over again that everything was carried out according to God's will. He was saddened only because it hurt Him to see those he loved so blind to the truth.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
John 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
John 15:25 But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

by Colonel
But, I do thik you're making stuff up. Like this phrase: " agree, he is like light and can transform himself into whatever apearance he likes."

"Perhaps he's an image we all have in our minds."
Really? ...
And, Jesus was black.

**I think the term "image" referred to above, is meant in the context of a mental picture, rather than "images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles" Jesus appears to have taken on whatever appearance was appropriate for the situation:

John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

John 8:48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
John 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

by jrod
Read Mat. 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-18, or Luke 19: 35-47

It seems like Jesus is angry in those verses.

1). If you continue reading you find that, while he condemns their actions within the temple, he doesn't condemn the men themselves.
2). He then proceeds to explain that if we believe completely in our connection with God, we are capable of ANYTHING. I once read an eyewitness account of a scientist who watched a holy woman in Africa cause an entire grove of trees to disappear and reappear during a spiritual ceremony. What if our down-spiraling reality on earth really is just a result of our lack of faith in something better?
3). Next he specifies that if we expect God to forgive us our sins, then we must forgive those who we feel sinned against us.

Mark 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].
Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.


Matthew 21:20 And when the disciples saw [it], they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

I thought the motto of this place was deny ignorance.

Originally posted by Zzub
I thought the motto of this place was deny ignorance.

I never said you had to agree with me. Just because we have differing viewpoints doesn't mean that I am ignorant. It just means that my search for truth has lead me in a different direction than yours.

By the way, insulting people because you cannot think of anything constructive to say, is a true sign of ignorance.

The motto is Deny Ignorance, not Deny Tolerance!