How Can There Not Be A God

"How can there not be a God" original topic....Faith, the ability to believe in what you don't see. (Hebrews 11) Faith, is a universal law. Most ones who believe in scientific theory did not first hand view the project, so therefore, they must have faith in what they read on the reports as being accurate. Many will choose to believe in history texts. Did Alexander the Great really exist? Does that not take faith that you believe the history texts? Or did you meet him personally? Do you also believe the Josephus accounts? He was a non partison historian. Faith is all things created on the earth. The car you drive was 1st, an idea in ones mind, 2nd, the blueprints, 3rd, the materials and build. The couch you sit on...the same, the house you live in, the same. Try to think of one thing created that didn't first start as an idea and had the faith to create something not yet seen? Where did we get this trait from? Maybe our Father really is a Creator?

1) If I were a true GOD, I would be ONE supreme being, not hundreds or thousands. Just as ICE. WATER and STEAM, all three are one basis. So am I a fool to believe in God of the Bible (Father, Son, Holy Spirit as ONE?)
2) I would accept my entire human race for redemption. Once again, God of the Bible.
3) TIME...God of the Bible starts with a beginning and an end.
4) Punishment, loves us enough to try and intervene for our betterment.
Those who refuse, where would you personally place a child molester and murderers? Yet they also can be transformed or doomed.
5) Written within a 2,000 year course on tablets, no PCs, yet links together.
6) No two life forms are identical, not even two leaves on a tree.
7) God of the Bible is about grace, love and character, which without the opposing force could never be met, nor understood.
8) We choose what we believe or disbelieve. Would you want to force people to make them believe in you, if you were god?

Some of you choose not to believe based upon your own perception, or someone has tried to shove a Bible down your throat (legalists, which are modern day pharisees which ironically crucified Jesus, they still exist), rather than sitting down with a Bible and actually reading it without any pre conceived notion to discredit or placed under a microscope for scrutiny. I know, I've been there. I choose now to believe, what if we are right? What have we lost in believing in God of the Bible? Ask yourself, what have you lost or gained by not believing? The choice is yours alone to make.

*Worship, is an expression from the heart not demanded. Jesus said to worship in spirit and in truth. Fans of sports, movie, or music stars aren't forced to worship them or cheer them on, neither are christians.

*Reguarding the evils of hunger, bad things happening. Hunger is due to mankinds selfishness not to share and for others refuse to work. The earth contains plenty. As far as the bad things, they can work to our good if we learn from it we have gained precious wisdom. Also some bad things happen because of our bad choices.

* Last post, I promise I will shut up! LOL! there are such a thing as christian scientists and I hope maybe some of you will visit www.reasons.org...

"How can there NOT be a GOD? " Simply because some choose not to.

I will have to say that that was a great post and I hope God Blesses your life fully

6) No two life forms are identical, not even two leaves on a tree.

Well i don't have the time to give a full response to everything you posted so i will just atart ith this one.

Bacteria of the same species are identical. they replicate each other exactly, unless they mutate which obviously happens and then they aren't the same genus anymore.

What about identical twins? Genetically identical.

Well those are just two identical life forms, although i guess you could say that even identical twins are different psychologically. The bacteria are still identical though.

I am agnostic, by not choosing to believe in god or not i can simply get on with my life free of caring about such things. I like to talk about it as it is always interesting. I have read the bible, to read it without scrutiny would surely be stupid? If i read thing's without care and scrunity then i would believe everything i have ever read. I would believe the David Icke books saying that reptilians live amongst us even though there is no evidence i can find for it.

This isn't to say god or an afterlife doesn't exist, i just think the bible isn't the best source of sch things. It is supposed to be the word or ideas of god right? Well it was edited by some college of cardinals years ago wasn't it? How can man edit the word of god?

To be honest i would rather live my life according to my own good morals which i had worked out for myself rather than morals i had been told to follow.

[edit on 29-5-2006 by ImaginaryReality1984]

I'm a believer of the gnostic theory, yes I call theory because none of this is proven, I believe the -god- entity that is known to mankind, particularily the middle-east is infact an imperfection within perfection, if that makes any sense...(which I know doesn't) aka the demiurge.

On the other hand I acknowledge evolution as a fact of life and I see the universe simply as a unknown.

why dont you give more info on that im not really sure what you are meaning

there's nobody to say whether there is a god or not, as the definition can be sort of blurry. if you're talking about the creator of the universe, we can never know factually either way, unless for some reason they do exist and deign to tell us in very simple terms that they're watching. if you're talking benevolent creator of our race, you might simply be discussing a random occurence in which life appeared by accident, some 'seeder' specied of alien that several people here on ATS appear to believe exists, or, perhaps, the god of one of our religions. if that's the case, there's quite a bit of explaining you have in order to convince me that they're benevolent rather than ambivalent, or worse, sadistic.

if you're just talking about someone that makes all the rules, well...i'm at a loss. we'll never truly know one way or the other.

so what is it that you believe sir

I believe that the world WAS created. And i actually believe it was created last thursday, in all its pride and glory.

How will you argue against that if i might ask?

[Edit] hmm, the above is only 1/10 of my post.. Dont know what happened. Ill put the last 9/10 in later, im quite busy now.

[edit on 30-5-2006 by Jugg]

Hi

When the scientific community is totally honest with the public then 1 can determine whether science can disprove god! as it stands science cant and imo anyone that believes a scientist is a fool, what knowledge we get fed to us is based on half truths.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that knowledge is power and we have been hand fed in means of control.
There are cures for all diseases but they make money out of decieving us.
The fool is the twin of the wise and i think life makes it quite apparant that everything has an opposite.

One could say if god created man then what or whom created god, exactly the same as if a scientist created science? what or whom created the scientist!

The mind can be very decieving just as it can be informing and logical, to me its logical that 1 should look to ones heart when seeking god.
The argument of science v god is a distraction, anyone would think that theres only room in this universe for one or the other to be correct, when to me they are 1 of the same and can both provide answers, just a pity they are always at war with one and other just like mankind!

SouLJa

Hi

When the scientific community is totally honest with the public then 1 can determine whether science can disprove god! as it stands science cant and imo anyone that believes a scientist is a fool, what knowledge we get fed to us is based on half truths.

You just ran your self back in stone age.
Because famos scientists like telsa and einstine you got electicity, power aplience, so next time you turn on the light think about that, , or I got a better idea , dont use any tecnology that scientists worked hard to obtain.

No one is saying science is disproving god, science and evolution is aculy proving there is a god out there because it all makes perfect sence, to deny evolution is to deny the universe which is constantly evolving in to a faze.

Double post removed

[edit on 30-5-2006 by pepsi78]

Hiya

Nice name btw pepsi is the name of the devil! Ancient egyptian i believe.

Since when did einstein contribute to the nature and science of electricity?

"Scientist worked hard to obtain" lol
Tesla imo was a modern day zeus as such but zeus is a mere myth huh?

Chances are tesla's knowledge came from a divine source or extra terreserial.

Also i feel u miss the point that modern man has no idea of the level of technology the ancients had, the public arent informed of all major finds and the extent of the technology the ancients had, otherwise we would know how pyramids were built to such precision and would know how to do it today! according to science its a mystery, pfff yer right, imo its more a case of a misinnformed evolution of man, hence man hasnt evolved man is just foolish and wants to believe we have evolved!

Is it any wonder god is so hard to believe when we we dont even know how pyramids were built
u cant deny the pyramids are not as gr8 a mystery as the existence of god!

SouLJA

"One could say if god created man then what or whom created god, exactly the same as if a scientist created science? what or whom created the scientist! "

That makes no sense? It is no way the same.

No one "created" science, and no one creates a scientist.

hi there juggs

Elaborate, How is it not the same? Science like the scientist had to come from somewhere or are u saying there was nothing then came science, just like god its the same!
I suggest you think about it with a bit more depth!

SouLJa

Originally posted by Jugg
"One could say if god created man then what or whom created god, exactly the same as if a scientist created science? what or whom created the scientist! "

That makes no sense? It is no way the same.

No one "created" science, and no one creates a scientist.

No I am not saying that, I know that science was long time before man found out about it, it was there working.
What I am saying is that scientists worked hard to gain the knolege on how things work and yes when a scientists comes up with something , yes you got to pay atention to them, whith out scientists the world would be back in stone age.
It's like god says, I'm not going to give you the fish from the lake, I'm going to give you a fishing stick so you may get it your self.
So thanks to scientists we have what we have today.
If you are sick what do you do? do you go to a doctor? or do you wait for some magical wonder to heal you?

Second of all what I think of the curch is the worse posible.

What you must understand is
1 the curch comited endles criems against man kind, the incusition, may I say more? just because some one discoverd somehting left by god to be discoverd they tortured them and burned them, for example let me tell you something, the man that invented the matrice of words was hanged by the curch.
2 the curch leads towards regresion and not towards evolution and creativity, to see how god is let's see , god him self belives in evolution, take a look at the universe , it's evolving constantly, everything has an evolution, god created man in his image so man must evolve also, just like the universe , to put it in a way man evolves because man is part of the universe anything in this universe evolves constantly.
I can see the curch denying evolution and that is just plain idiotic when they have the proof out there, the proof would be the whole universe that is always evolving in to a different patern.

I came to the conclusion that the curch is nopt really teaching what god intended and that the pope is evil .
Who makes saints the curch does, they auto proclaim them selfs , I find it sick that people kiss the popes hand like he is god and worhip him like he deserves anything.
The teachings of god are not in the curch , they are out there as far as you can see with your eyes and it's based on creativity and on evolution.


[edit on 30-5-2006 by pepsi78]

Hi pepsi

Regarding religion and churches i agree, the churches of the world were mostly built by freemasons(luciferian bearer of light worshipers).

How many people go to church totally oblivious of the symbols within the church and there true meanings e.g the star of david 666! 6 sides, 6 points and 6 inner triangles. Its logic to me and should be to any religeous nut that if god created everything then surely the whole planet is his church and theres no need to visit a brick building to worship him!

Imo if u go to church u r worshipping the devil, as only the devil would have a begging bowl, very much doubt that god would have 1, lol.

God is also seen to be unconditional love and yet all religions claim that if u dont worship and believe in god you will burn in hell! LOl that really sounds like unconditional love huh?

Religion should be abolished imo cause considering its supposed to be the path to god its caused more evil than satan himself.

You may laugh when i say this but satan will be making an appearance before long approx 2008/9 time will tell huh or maybe im just another loon in this crazy world.

SouLJa

God is giving everyone the chance to recieve his unconditional love but people like you guys do not want it. You trust the world more then you trust the creator, and you love the world more then you love the creator.

this who made this dna did it pop out of no where

Don't get so hung up on the human notion of cause and effect.

It was created by an imaginative creature, maybe a human, who lives (or will live) in the future.

We know that time is not linear, only our perception of it. It's just an illusion that we hold onto because we're animals.
And we know that consciousness has a direct effect on the microcosm, which is also unconstrained by linear time.

Someday either on this planet or another one, a creature will imagine DNA being created in the past, and so it will happen. And so it has happened.

Our universe, because of our perception of it, continues to expand "forward" and "backward" (and along several other dimensions that don't even have words to go with them) in time. The entire notion of a "beginning" or an "end" doesn't make any sense, except to our limited and faulty perceptions.

do you really believe what you say or what?

Originally posted by Mrknighttime32
God is giving everyone the chance to recieve his unconditional love but people like you guys do not want it. You trust the world more then you trust the creator, and you love the world more then you love the creator.

Hi there

Can u pls tell me where i gave u the impression i didnt have or want gods unconditional love? Ws just stating that the churches are for the worship of one of many religions, which imo are the works of the devil, as god can be worshipped anywhere!

It may seem a bit off point but checkout the symbol of the cross and crown, it symbolises the control of the people via religion and monarchy, in fact check out the meanings and symbolism on alot of things!lol the invisibly visible.

SouLJa