How Can There Not Be A God

I have been reading recent posts about God and Jesus and I saw someone that said they did not believe in God. I would like everyone to post wether or not they believe in God or why not. I will start by saying everyday that I walk outside I realize that there is a God nothing like this could happen by accident.

Science. That's why I don't believe in a god, we've been to space, nothing there, we know what's in the middle of the Earth, no demons.

Also, if God is supposed to exist, why do bad things happen to his/her followers?


I don't believe because there is an infinite amount of evidence to say there isn't a God and only one book to say there is.

I would have to disagree with you about science it has never proved wether there is a God or Not so say that is just your own opinion. And It never says in the Bible that Heaven is in space and actually we probably know more about space then what is in the middle of the earth. I would also like to say that Heaven and Hell are places that the body cannot go your spirit body goes there, so I would assume that people arent able to do what Christs did a die and go to the depts of Hell. You say the only thing that proves is the bible but if it was a accident when there earth was made how come we have not found more people like us in our solar system that just popped out of no where. Or does your science have a reason for that too. It is funny people can make something out to what ever they want to believe, but it all changes when someone is dieing or in extreme pain why do we always cry out to someone that people say do not exists. I also assume that you dont believe in God because something happen to you tragic or you were brought up that way right

It's easy.
Take the bible, go to the end of the old testament, read the part where it anounces the comming of jesus.

1 The old testament is really old, that is done with science, the books are in fact old, older than the new testament older than the time jesus existed
2 Jesus existed as a person , this is also scientific proof.
So if you link the story line , the anouncement was made way back from the old testament that jesus is coming.
The time line betwen the passage that was wrote and the time jesus existed is huge.

If it were as simple as "survival of the fittest" then what purpose does a purple orchid in the jungle have...how did flowering plants evolve and from what, how did photosynthesis evlove, how did thought evolve, how does everything come from nothing?


I refuse to be darwins monkey

Those are very good points God Bless You

It has been my experience as a mystic in researching this area of life for many years that the Judeo-Christian god (as well as all the other "gods" found in traditional religions) are not minor gods who can create their own bodies with The Light Of The God Force - much less major gods capable of creating planets, moons, and stars. The archaic gods are really just large Group Entities (collectives of people on the Other Side) who cannot ascend beyond the basically spiritual dimensions of the Mid Realms. That's why the miracles attributed to any one prophet in any religion (like Jesus/Issa, Sai Baba, and many others) do not significantly outshine the miracles attributed to any other prophet. None of them were in contact with even a minor god in the truest sense. That is why their miracles are not very powerful when compared to the power to create galaxies.

But that doesn't mean that there isn't or wasn't an Original Creator - a major god - who orchestrated The Big Bang billions of years ago!

Simple logic dictates that something cannot come about from nothingness. At least not from the nothingness on this dimension. But that linear-materialistic reasoning doesn't take into consideration the energy of Spirit - The Light Of The God Force - which many Near Death Experiencers have reported "at the end of the tunnel."

That energy is what The Original Creator used to manifest the Universe.

To evolve into becoming a Co-Creator after bodily death is the goal of everyone on a spiritual path.

I can tell you this though that there has been no prophet that was God and there has been no Prophet that died and rose again three days later.

Originally posted by Census
If it were as simple as "survival of the fittest" then what purpose does a purple orchid in the jungle have...how did flowering plants evolve and from what, how did photosynthesis evlove, how did thought evolve, how does everything come from nothing?


I refuse to be darwins monkey

Brightly colored flowers attract insects and birds, which spread pollen to other plants for reproduction. They evolved from earlier plants that needed a means of pollenation. Thought evolved from lack of thought. Nothing comes from nothing. It never has. Evolution and science has never claimed it has.

I believe in god, but not some sentient father figure who is all powerful and all knowing. to me that is a fairly primative concept of what god is. I am my god, as you are and everyone else is. My god is the brane that connects everything in this universe.

Edit: Jesus read the old testiment did he not? If I read the old testiment, and it said that the messiah would walk through the east gate on a donkey. Then I did just that because I read it in a book, would I be a messiah, or a con artist?

[edit on 25-5-2006 by Rasobasi420]

Can a con artist die for three days the rise again

Originally posted by Mrknighttime32
I have been reading recent posts about God and Jesus and I saw someone that said they did not believe in God. I would like everyone to post wether or not they believe in God or why not. I will start by saying everyday that I walk outside I realize that there is a God nothing like this could happen by accident.

While I can't prove a negative, that there's NOT a God, I still need some kind of positive proof of such a thing. I can't prove there's NOT a mini monkey ghost playing hopscotch in my brain, either. And I don't want to make any false assumptions about what you mean by "God." Positive proof.

And positive proof first starts with being able to define what the heck you're even talking about. So if you can lay a good definition of "God" on me, that would at least be a start. And once we can agree on a definition, then we can begin to debate and decide exactly what we can attribute to this thing or entity or whatever it is.

Fair enough? I like to keep an open mind, but I need to know what it is I'm talking about.

1. The one that created the universe in six days.
2.The one who sent his son to die for our sins.
3. The feeling you get when you know you are doing wrong.
4. The feeling you get when you want to do the right thing.
5. God is also the one who allows everything that happens on earth to happen; yes even the bad things God does not cause these things, but He does allow the Devil to do these thing.
6. AND MOST IMPORTANT GOD IS THE ONE THAT WILL END ALL SUFFERING AND MAKE COMPLETE HAPPINESS FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.

I do have more if you would like, but I want to see you response.

I, myself, do not believe in a god. Not a christian god nor a muslim god.

Why? Because evolution and natural selection makes so much more sense, if you bother reading real stuff about it, instead of listening to Kent Hovinds lies.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
To evolve into becoming a Co-Creator after bodily death is the goal of everyone on a spiritual path.

I would have to debate this as I am on a spiritual path, yet I don't believe it is my goal to become a "co-creator." I guess it depends on your definition of "co-creator."

To Mrknighttime32:

In your list of six points about what God is, are you saying that God is defined by all of them or could be defined by any one of them or a combination of them?

I guess what I am saying is this: Are you defining God as the Christian God of the Christian Bible and saying that no other concept of God is valid?

I say this because I know that we all think differently. Your truth may not be mine and my path my not suit you at all, yet we may both believe in a Creator, a grand and divine force, an entity or being possessing awesome power. I do believe in God, but I may not have the same concept of God that you hold. That doesn't make either of our concepts less valid.

So is your original question, "How can there not be a God?" or was the question really saying, "How can you not think the same way I do about God?"

I also think that evolution and natural selection make a lot more sense...but there is no accounting for faith. I have no proof that God exists, personally, I don't need any.
One of my hobbies through the years has been comparitive theology, and while years immersed in that field have never yet proven that God exists, it has proven to me at least, that SOMEONE sure as hell does.
Call it what you will, for me, faith is enough.

[edit on 25-5-2006 by triptrippington]

Originally posted by Mrknighttime32
1. The one that created the universe in six days.
2.The one who sent his son to die for our sins.
3. The feeling you get when you know you are doing wrong.
4. The feeling you get when you want to do the right thing.
5. God is also the one who allows everything that happens on earth to happen; yes even the bad things God does not cause these things, but He does allow the Devil to do these thing.
6. AND MOST IMPORTANT GOD IS THE ONE THAT WILL END ALL SUFFERING AND MAKE COMPLETE HAPPINESS FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.

I do have more if you would like, but I want to see you response.

You've listed a lot of things that this "God" supposedly DOES, but I'm still not quite sure what it IS yet. The debate is about the things this thing supposedly does.

You have some things listed that a male person might do, but also some things that are like a psychological state, or a "feeling." I don't know about you, but I'm not quite sure how a "feeling" can have a son. So maybe you can explain it a little better for me.

Originally posted by Mrknighttime32
I will start by saying everyday that I walk outside I realize that there is a God nothing like this could happen by accident.

You attribute what you see when you walk outside to something called God. You have your brain wired up to reason that 'nothing like this could happen by accident'. Being clear that I have no desire to change your mind about anything you believe, my brain is not wired up like that.

Beyond nature, I don't know what causes a tree to be a tree. I don't know what causes a bird to fly. But I don't tell myself that because I don't understand or know everything about it, it must be attributed to a thing called God.

I just accept that I don't understand it all. It is a miraculous thing, nature. It's splendid and wondrous! But to me, that doesn't necessarily mean it HAS to have been created by something called God. There's nothing wrong with not knowing. In fact, I find it quite freeing.

To me, saying "it must be God because this couldn't be an accident" is just giving it a 'story', labeling it, so I can feel that I know; so I can feel more comfortable. In reality I don't know. I don't know if there's something called God. And that's ok by me.

Originally posted by Mrknighttime32
I can tell you this though that there has been no prophet that was God and there has been no Prophet that died and rose again three days later.

Actually, many ancient religious systems have a mythos which involves a Messianic figure who is born from a virgin birth, dies and rises again three days later. If you wish I will be happy to provide various examples from many different spiritual traditions.

Inverencial Peace,
Akashic


[edit on 25/5/2006 by AkashicWanderer]

I truly belive that the God that everyone is talking about is the God in the bible and that we will all see oneday that we were all looking for and worshipping the same God, but I also believe when the Bible says that to get to heaven you have to have faith and believe that Jesus died for our sins. My whole point is there are people out there that feel that we are alone in the universe(im talking about alone like no God) I dont understand how you can think that. I still want the reasons of why you think God does not exsist. You cannot see air but you can feel that too.

Is it not apparent that we all think differently? This is how one person can say there is no God and another can say there is a God.

We don't all like the same kind of food, or the same kind of movies. We don't all have the same favorite colour. I could tell you very well that black is the most superior of all colours and I can tell you why. Yet, it just may not be true for you or you may not consider my reasons valid.

People can say there is no God because no two people will think exactly the same way. We all look at the world differently.