New Video Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon Released

i came across this, it has theories about 9/11, the pentagon etc, some of it a bit far out,

so what do you think of it? alot of whats written in this has been discussed here and various other threads about 9/11 take a look and tell me what you think

www.paranormalnews.com...

Originally posted by ronishia
i came across this, it has theories about 9/11, the pentagon etc, some of it a bit far out,

so what do you think of it? alot of whats written in this has been discussed here and various other threads about 9/11 take a look and tell me what you think

www.paranormalnews.com...

Well, there are a lot of facts (such as how investigations were stonewalled or are whitewashes), there's stuff that rings true (personally speaking) and there's also stuff I would take with a grain of salt.

I tend to look at everything critically, even if it's my own mother saying something, but the fact of the matter (of 9/11) is that most of the "official explanation" has to be taken on faith instead of scientific analysis, simply because there has been no scientific analysis that lends any credence whatsoever to the official line. Professor Jones' peer reviewed paper that I linked to a couple of pages back scientifically debunks the 9/11 commission report and exposes its blatantly misleading techniques and its omissions.

For example, did you know that the simulation models of the towers wouldn't fall unless they tweaked the physical parameters until they did? Or that they ran the simulations only until they were still standing, thus not simulating and analyzing their fall whatsoever? Or that all the metal was immediately shipped off instead of analyzed?

The biggest disaster, the biggest crime against the US was committed on 9/11 yet the gov't didn't even investigate it whatsoever?!?! That says a lot, doesn't it....

Originally posted by BPI
Can anyone tell me why there is a section of the building missing?

This was explained earlier in the thread. They were in the porcess of completing upgrades/reenforcements on that section of the building at the time. In fact some had just moved back into their offices while they completed the outside work.

Pentagon renovation

Towards the bottom of the page is shows the first scheduled completion was in 2000. They ran late and other sources say they started moving back in in Feb 2001.

Originally posted by shots
Pentagon renovation

www.defenselink.mil?

Now thats your Averege NON-Biased source for Information - espcially regarding the attack on Pentagon!



Hey, while you are Browsing th defenslink.mil directories, can you look up, if they mention anything about the 84 OTHER TAPES OF PENTAGON ATTACK, which the FBI is witholding?

Hey - why no words about NORAD Stand Down?

Hey - why no words about WTC Bulding 7 Demolishion?

Hey - why no words about How ALLEGED Hijackers were Trained in USA Bases?

Naaah - screw that!

We just get crappy few frames, which are NOT in any way different then those that were out already - and now we are supposed to be conviced?



What a Bunch of CRAPOLA!



[edit on 19/5/06 by Souljah]

Souljah, do you know how ridicules you just made yourself look? Instead of disputing the integrity of the information posted by shots you started attacking his source. Then you proceed to post us links to prison planet whose information is mostly a work of fiction rather than fact. Great job of denying ignorance, what a freaking joke.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Souljah, do you know how ridicules you just made yourself look? Instead of disputing the integrity of the information posted by shots you started attacking his source. Then you proceed to post us links to prison planet whose information is mostly a work of fiction rather than fact. Great job of denying ignorance, what a freaking joke.

I am deeply sorry, but how do you expect ME to trust any word, that comes out of the mouth of the current US goverment? Isn't it just too obvious, that IF somebody is protecting their Agenda is the Pentagon and not mister Alex Jones? I think that MOST if not ALL of the statements by Bush&Co are a Work of Fiction - and a VERY BAD Fiction - and not what PrisonPlanet is offering to the readers.

But I udnderstand your stance - "Patriot" 'till Last, ey?

Also - I wonder when Pentagon is going to answer the Question asked by mister Charlie Sheen; which has been ignored and which Sure did not solve by this "new video":

Charlie Sheen's Pentagon Questions Remain Unanswered

The 'footage' if it can even be described as that does not show a large commercial airliner and if anything is worse than what we already had.

It certainly does not answer any of the questions Charlie Sheen asked on the Alex Jones Show back in March.

"Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters,"

"I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it's really suspicious." said Sheen.

And Please, can you explain why the Pentagon does not want to share with us the 84 separate video tapes from cameras dotted around the Pentagon?

IF there is NOTHING to HIDE - why not show these tapes, or at least ONE, at least ONE frame of ONE of 84 Videos, which would Show a Boeing?

[edit on 19/5/06 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by shots
Pentagon renovation

www.defenselink.mil?

Now thats your Averege NON-Biased source for Information - espcially regarding the attack on Pentagon!

Hey, while you are Browsing th defenslink.mil directories, can you look up, if they mention anything about the 84 OTHER TAPES OF PENTAGON ATTACK, which the FBI is witholding?

Hey - why no words about NORAD Stand Down?

Hey - why no words about WTC Bulding 7 Demolishion?

Hey - why no words about How ALLEGED Hijackers were Trained in USA Bases?

Naaah - screw that!

We just get crappy few frames, which are NOT in any way different then those that were out already - and now we are supposed to be conviced?

What a Bunch of CRAPOLA!

[edit on 19/5/06 by Souljah]

Mr Souljah,

Why aren't you asking the real questions and these questions are not about camara's or picture being taken, I posted someting back on page 11 that knowone seemed to want to touch would you liek to take a stab at it??

Originally posted by jam00nl
Why aren't you asking the real questions and these questions are not about camara's or picture being taken, I posted someting back on page 11 that knowone seemed to want to touch would you liek to take a stab at it??

If this is the post in question, www.abovetopsecret.com...

the reason you probably never got an answer is because only the qoute appeared.

What really blows me away is the fact that the american public wastes some much of there time trying to figure this out, which is part of the plan " let them spend a few months trying to figure out what is real and what is not and knowone will ask the really important questions like
A. What is the reason behind what they did. and WHY did they direct this towards US. ASK YOU GOP REP. TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU . As a american you aught to get a really big kick out of there response. THREE POSSIBLE ANSWERS:
1. They do not know
2. They will give you the GOP response.
3. They will give you the truth.
NONE OF WHICH ARE EXCEPTABLE!
Those are the questions all of you very smart people should be asking out here in this forum. THINK!!

Originally posted by jam00nl
What really blows me away is the fact that the american public wastes some much of there time trying to figure this out, which is part of the plan " let them spend a few months trying to figure out what is real and what is not and knowone will ask the really important questions like
A. What is the reason behind what they did. and WHY did they direct this towards US. ASK YOU GOP REP. TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU . As a american you aught to get a really big kick out of there response. THREE POSSIBLE ANSWERS:
1. They do not know
2. They will give you the GOP response.
3. They will give you the truth.
NONE OF WHICH ARE EXCEPTABLE!
Those are the questions all of you very smart people should be asking out here in this forum. THINK!!

Now I hope that this make's it through since I am new to this it will take me a minute to figure out how this works...

Originally posted by jam00nl
What really blows me away is the fact that the american public wastes some much of there time trying to figure this out, which is part of the plan " let them spend a few months trying to figure out what is real and what is not and knowone will ask the really important questions like

Jam click on the member center and open my U2 it has your answer. Discussing what you asked would be OT for the thread.

In order to answer your questions I had to explain what a conspiracy is in context with what members of ATS do with one first.

In this case we are trying to find the flaws in this conspiracy of flight 77 and confirm it as a hoax, which many believe it is since the logistic's alone to carry out one this big would require hundreds if not thousands of little helpers since it happened on the very same day as the WTC was hit by similar planes.

In that case they could not deny planes were used because millions saw it happen live on TV, but there are still people that will insist those planes had missiles on them and were allegedly flown by remote control not pilots as we have been told by the government. Some will even insists there were no people on the planes but actual bodies proved those wrong immediately.

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BTW people I am still looking for a member in the DC area to visit the Citgo station and see what their cameras actually saw so we can lay that to rest.

Originally posted by Souljah
And Please, can you explain why the Pentagon does not want to share with us the 84 separate video tapes from cameras dotted around the Pentagon?

First you have to prove there are 84 cameras in the pentagon those are just figures someone made up as I understand it. Also the reason for not showing all of them could have many answers.

One they did not have a view of the area involved

Two they were pointed east North our South.

three the others were inside and unable to have a view.

As far as I am concerned a simple explanation rather then actual release of a view would be OK because it would cost the US tax payers money and time for nonsense knowing all along it would have been impossible for the camera to see anything because of its location.

Now if they do have cameras that could have seen the impact I would agree that the tapes of what they saw would be in order.

BTW I think the estimate of 84 would be a low considering the fact most Walmart stores alone have fifty or 60 if not more. Further more I am willing to bet if you asked the actual number they would tell you its classified as they should be.

[edit on 5/19/2006 by shots]

Did you know the Pentagon was hit by a flying grilled cheese sandwich?

www.counterthink.org...

The Pentagon wasn't hit by a Boeing 757 jetliner. It was hit by a flying grilled cheese sandwich. How do I know? I clearly saw it in the video frames released by the FBI, there on the right. Not everybody sees the grilled cheese sandwich, I admit. Some people see a Boeing 757 jet out of the same blur that I'm pretty sure is a grilled cheese sandwich.

It's astonishing, really. According to almost every reporter in the mainstream media, a Boeing 757 jet, when photographed, looks exactly like an indistinguishable blur. Let's face it: The video frames released by the Pentagon make ghost and UFO photos look downright crisp. And yet, somehow, out of this unrecognizable blur, mainstream media stories are claiming they clearly show a Boeing 757 jet and that all 9-11 conspiracy theories are now dispelled.

I think that the US establishment has deserved all the conspiracy theories that it has gotten over 9-11 due to the undeniably secretive and conspiratorial way that it has dealt with the evidence in the aftermath. However, I also think that the conspiratorialists attempt to claim that the Pentagon was attacked on 9-11 by something other than a Boeing 757 jet is probably the weakest part of their argument. I did the following analysis of a couple of frames from the original leaked Pentagon attack video some time ago, but never got around to putting it on the web until now. It satisfies me that it is more likely than not (nothing, to me, at least, is ever 100% certain) that the object that hit the Pentagon was an American airlines 757 and not a missile.

static.flickr.com...

This does not, of course, prove that there was no conspiracy involved in 9-11, and my personal opinion, judging from what evidence there is available, is that there almost certainly was one.

[edit on 19-5-2006 by Pseudonymous]

I’m curious if anyone knows what kid of cameras the Sheritan hotel operates. Does the hotel have/had CCTV cameras with a recording database, or if they just have/had a live feed system with no recording of the footage?

Originally posted by WestPoint23
I’m curious if anyone knows what kid of cameras the Sheritan hotel operates. Does the hotel have/had CCTV cameras with a recording database, or if they just have/had a live feed system with no recording of the footage?

Based on what limited knowledge I have, I think it is safe to assume they all have a VCR or similar recording device (TiVo) connected to them. They are there for a purpose and that is to detect crimes or whatever and without the tape they could not prove it actually happened.

Originally posted by Aris
Professor Jones' peer reviewed paper that I linked to a couple of pages back scientifically debunks the 9/11 commission report and exposes its blatantly misleading techniques and its omissions.

This is the same professor who for a long time made the world believe he could acquire free energy... This is a professor who especializes in nuclear fusion, he is not an architect, nor is he a civil, or structural engineer, and he did not specialized at all in skyscrapers. Just because he has a degree in physics, and his specialty is in "nuclear fusion" it doesn't mean he is an expert on anything else...

Originally posted by Aris
For example, did you know that the simulation models of the towers wouldn't fall unless they tweaked the physical parameters until they did? Or that they ran the simulations only until they were still standing, thus not simulating and analyzing their fall whatsoever?

Did you know that several hundred scientists, many whom have no links whatsoever to the government, have debunked the obvious lie that there were "explosives" in the WTC?....

This topic has been discussed many times... Doing a search in these forums you will find plenty of evidence... But again, some people just want to believe, no matter what, that "the government was behind it...

Originally posted by ArisOr that all the metal was immediately shipped off instead of analyzed?
The biggest disaster, the biggest crime against the US was committed on 9/11 yet the gov't didn't even investigate it whatsoever?!?! That says a lot, doesn't it....

Again people want to speak without any experience on these matters...

Perhaps you would remember that there were over 3,000 dismembered bodies amongst the ruins. It was an open grave in the middle of one of the biggest cities in the United States. They had to clean up everything so that no disease would spread throughout the city.

But again, some people prefer to claim that "the ruins were cleaned up to hide something else"....


[edit on 19-5-2006 by Muaddib]

Ok first of all im not quite sure i understand all this crap about missles hitting the pentagon. How are you gonna discredit every single person that day that has first hand eyewitness accounts of a low flying plane near the pentagon. Are we assuming that everyone that day that was driving on the highway near the pentagon was on ACID or Just seeing things. Gimmie a break its a 747 you can tell what the heck it is. Just my oppinon lol so shoot it down!

Originally posted by shots
First you have to prove there are 84 cameras in the pentagon those are just figures someone made up as I understand it.

One they did not have a view of the area involved

Two they were pointed east North our South.

three the others were inside and unable to have a view.

Sure - two cameras are Observing one side of Pentagon.



I would like also the Answers or Explanations to the following Questions and Statements:

So how did flight 77 arrive at the pentagon at an altitude of about 2 feet 500MPH?

• "American 77 was then 5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon and began a 330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet, pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington."
  
  
• "The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane."
  
  
• "But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver."
  
  
• "Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers."
  
  
• "9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn. Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed."

Some PILOT he was!

Who was the "Terrible Terrorist" who piloted Flight 77?

Hani Hanjour?

Ofcourse!

If you Belive in SANTA!

Originally posted by Souljah
I would like also the Answers or Explanations to the following Questions and Statements:

"9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn. Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed."

Some PILOT he was!


You answered your own question. It clearly states the complex maneuver suggested the pilots had better training then thought.

Also you are under estimating what a commercial airliner can do. Ask any pilot, or watch History channel where it shows the kind of tests they put a commercial liner through, you would be surprised what they are capable of.