How would the US fare in the next world war?

Ok

In a world war US vs all, other then traditional allies, there would be a draft and our military would swell. starting to sound familiar.
Numbers are not an issue anymore. In a full out war your human waves from china would be decimated THATS A FACT.

Moabs would be dropped on large troop formations laying them to waste effortlessly.

The only stuff america relies on china for are cheap trinkets. We already control the mid east but also have our own resources to
use. China did not force us to back down and without the US china loses its largest market and its progress slows dramatically.
The US has large untapped oil reserves, right off the shore of florida for example, to hold us over while we consolidate. If stuff
hits the fans we can turn to shale oil or ethanol and we can do that faster then anyone can gear up to fight the US. Strategic reserves
wouldn't run out the second a war starts.

You make point of americas dependencies but make no mention of the fact that other then the china russia deal
no one is a threat and we beat russia in our standoff already. China is more so dependent on the US then the US on them.
Russia has no way to get its million troops anywhere neither does china. The US can bomb both to the stone ages without nukes
and its over like that. Thats a fact not a dream. Enemy forces wouldn't get anywhere near the continental US.

The russian satelite states are free Because of the US it goes a long way plus they know about russia and their ways
and I'm sure they don't want to go back to those days.

A large army needs to cross large bodies of water and sky the US AIR and Naval superiority just about makes that a hole in one.
No one has stopped our ground forces. We don't need the jungles. We need strategic resources and are capable of holding them as your seeing.
I know the US didn't win WW1 or 2 alone you'll notice i mentioned our traditional allies.

If all the arab nations unite Israel will take care of them with some help from the US. The arabs couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag,
good for terrorists thats about it thats a fact. The forces in iraq would do much more then hold their own in iraq, if it were an open war with arabs vs the US and who is going to stop the supplies? Why do you think the current arab army fighting the americans prefer to attack civilians rather then the US?

Right now in Iraq, back in North Korea there were/are rules political tensions not in a WW. Automatic weapons
fierce weapon platforms and data integration will stomp all over great inferior numbers esp in a kill or be killed war with no restraint.

Japan has naval and air and ground forces they are called self defense forces so get your fact straight Taiwan has forces also so does south korea
and industrially they can ramp up and make weapons. North Korea is more likey to cross the border begging for welfare then in a successfull military manuver.



The south americans being part brazillian myself are not a threat. Not militarily. Canada on our side has tremendous resources. That pip squeak in venezuela will eat it quick.

Sure I'm an idiot but I'm right so what does that make you. I know I'm right from a few things like how you like to call names. You say my view is
steriotypical but you can't say boo to show otherwise other then saying "nuh uh, you smell".

OUtside of russia or china who could begin to even think about challenging the US. And of those two neither has a chance to win.

If you don't like my name oh well.
Name a part of war the US can't dominate if not held back by politics.
Keep calling me names spets your doing good. I think your impressing alot of people.

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Originally posted by chinawhite
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That's classic, nice one, now you know why I’ve tried to stay way form this thread. You got to let these things go, in a hypothetical scenario EVERYONE has an opinion and its just not worth the effort, you know, you just got to make the best of it.

"Chinese human waves would be decimated. that's a FACT" ? what fact? what are you talking about? Where on earth is that stateed as a fact? show me where you got that info. do you actually have any sources? anything legit? NO, you just sit there imagining the events and because they make sense to you then they must be right huh? How much do you actually know about wars or world militaries? Not much I can tell.

"the only stuff america reallies on are cheap trinckets"? I think you should go and research this mate. Ask any economist and they will tell you just about everything an average american relies on is made in other countries around the world. CHINA MOSTLY. It's impossible in the US to find anything without a label made in china. Hell, i walked into kroger befor july forth and the little US flags they were selling even had the made in china sticker on them rofl.

Those reserves you are talking about are good, but they cannot last you in a world war. You are forgetting how much $ and oil it takes To get an army over both oceans; it would bleef the US of such a portion of their reserves that they wouldn't have enough left to fight a world war. Just look at Iraq and what it did to the US economy. That and the fact that the US needs more oil in it's reserves and that's why they attacked iraq. the US will be short on oil also because they don't have enoug oil in their mainland to support them in such a conflict.

Now what were you saying about russia? It wouldn't even get it's army over the ocean? And again, where do you get such "facts" other than personal stereotypical speculation. Russia has THE LARGEST airliftable army in the world, look it up. They are also the only army in the world to posses paradroping APCs. If you are saying Russia wouldn't get it's army over the ocean i can even tell you a possibility of how it can happen. Russia would simply drop their troops in alaska, via air or sea, and the russians would fare FAR better in combat in a freezing snowing area than the Americans. A channel would be help open from russia to alaske at sea by the russian nave to bring in supplies and if needed China's troops. While you would be busy fighting the world you'd have russia and china in alaska already, and who would stop them from there? Canada? lmao.

What standoff have you beat russia in huh? If you are talking about the cold war, I have to warn you you should actually know it in depth befor making claims about it to me, it's what I study. Or are you talking about when russia supplied arms to countries fighting the US? Cause in that case i'll tell you this, that's not a standof with russia, just russian tech and weaponary operated by some fools. It's not like the tanks russia sold only require you to have an on and off switch and then they work by themselves. In truth the US never faced any top notch russia weaponary in any of it's conflicts. What, the t-72s in the gulf war? umm, yhea, the worst of those an abrams faced were dug into the sand as turrets. Plus by the russia had T-80s. just an example of how it works. Russia never supplies better or equal weapons than their own to other countries. no country does.

Russian satalite states are free because of the US? ok, heres what I have to say to that. I've lived in and ben in most of those states. I assure you that they would rather die trying to put a bullet into the US's head then fighting russia in such a conflict. Those that would aren't significant; georgia, lithuania, litva, estonia. None have a military to reacon to russia's.

By the way china has 2.5 million modernized troops, the 200million that can be recriuted wuold be the human wave, but 200mil compared to US's 500,000 makes USA seems like 3 empty letters. Yhea #s aren't the most important thing in wars, but ask yourself, will your country have the resources to fight that? And actually research properly befor you tell me "HA! FACT!"

I didnt read the entire thread, i apologize if this has beens tated.


the USA does not last 1 week without cargo shipments of everything from clothing to cars to oil to natural gas to everything you see and touch in your daily life.

there was a dock strike in Oakland Ca a few years back, 4 days later stores began to close because they ran out of products to sell. We are independant with food still, but everything else the USA must have daily shipments or just shut down the factories, because without aluminum ( which the uSA must import 100% of its bauxite to produce), stainless steel, and other metals, this war will last about 3 weeks, and then the USA negotiates for Peace, we have no Choice.

The US has naval and air supperiority? Is that another "FACT" of yours. Perhaps you'll try to back that up by saying you heard that on TV on discovery or CNN? lol.

Here's some Facts for you to chew on. The SU series aircraft are the best in the world and this was acknowledged by the pentagon. The US has no planes in service that can maintain air supperiority against the SU. The Raptor is a match,
but there's not nearly enough of them in service with the USAF, while the russian airforce can exploit thousands of them in it's ranks already and that # is rising. As for your bigger navy, here, check this thread; www.abovetopsecret.com...

Russia is superior in both to the US. Now you are saying noone has stopped your ground forces? LOL. what happened in korea? WAit a sec, wasn't that a human wave that caused you to turn tail and run? It can't be! If the US forces weren't stopped in vietnam (yes US had less casualties and won more battles) how come vietnam is communist today? The US backed out of that conflict too because of the US public yes, but overall vietnam is communist ain't it. By the way the US never fought a war without having total air supperiority. That is because they never fought a country that could chalenge them in tech. You don't know how to fight a war in which everything leans your way, where you always have supplies and air cover. A world war would be different. I already made my point on the fact that russia holds dominance over US in air power, and I also would like to add that russias anti-air missile systems are th best in the world right now, the S300u can even take out stealth targets at the range of 60 miles.

Oh and about your "we will bomb you back to the stone age comment". Same phrase was used in vietnam when the US faked an attack on one of their ships by the vietnamese (befor war) and initiated a bombing strike on north vietnam. In the process more bombs were droped than in world war 2 on North vietnam and they hit apsolutely NO military targets what so ever! HAHAHA. the vietnamese were safe in their tunnels. Just giving you an example of your "bombing back to the stoneage".

So now you're asking about who would cut off the US supplies in Iraq? Germany can with their air and navy, russia can help. Israel for all they're worth can be lvled by russia's rocket forces all the way from russia, and no, not even the patriots would same them against russian missiles. The patriot only proved itself against SCUDs, those are old.

Oh and the iraqi insurgents don't prefer to attack civilians rather then the army there, is that another "FACT" of yours though? If it is perhaps I should take it seriously then? The insurgents there carry out strikes against the US. With al their gear it's only smart not to go in a hed on ingagement with US forces. By the way, the US isn't exactly famouse for it's ability to fight guerilla warfare. Vietnam; 50,000 casualties in 20 years. Afgan (vs russia); 20,000 dead in 15 years. Oh and there is no current arab army in iraq you jack a*s.

Yhea, taiwan has forces and so does south korea, what's your point? You think that would be enough to help you against china? lol. true, Japan can help, until the russian fleet attacks.

Canada on your side is a tremendouse resource? LMAO! nice one!.

You finally said something right mate, you are an idiot, and a big one too. Support your statements with examples for godsake and maybe someone ill listen to you. I'm done arguing with you. It's pointless cause I can see you don't know jack and squat about militaries, past war histories, and can't make any logical statements above those of a 13 year old. I gave you examples of just china and russia, I didn't even metnion the rest of the world. Have fun madman I'm off this thread.

PS: nice try though. I'll give you a

Originally posted by Spets
The US has naval and air supperiority? Is that another "FACT" of yours. Perhaps you'll try to back that up by saying you heard that on TV on discovery or CNN? lol.

Do you know anyone with more than 5 cariers apart from the US?

Here's some Facts for you to chew on. The SU series aircraft are the best in the world and this was acknowledged by the pentagon.

Best at what?

Russia is superior in both to the US.

Well to be honuest the russian navy is the quietest, a rusting navy doesnt make sound. Russia has some nice kit but its aged , and thier new kit is frankly in short supply.

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Now you are saying noone has stopped your ground forces?

In a head on engagement no not really..

what happened in korea?

They drove the Nk army back to the 38th?

WAit a sec, wasn't that a human wave that caused you to turn tail and run?

Huh?

I already made my point on the fact that russia holds dominance over US in air power

You mean in size.

and I also would like to add that russias anti-air missile systems are th best in the world right now

Technically the patriot and the S300 are near enough the same since both countries stole the designs off each other and added it to thier own.

, the S300u can even take out stealth targets at the range of 60 miles.

What kind of stealth targets? F-117's? B-2's? Klingon bird of prey?

Germany can with their air and navy,

You mean its army that cant leave its country? Right....
You mean thier 6 submarines?
You mean thier massive long range bomber force?

russia can help.

Why in hell would the germans trust the russians?

Israel for all they're worth can be lvled by russia's rocket forces all the way from russia,

Yeah and they can also level a few russian cities in carparks....from isreal!

and no, not even the patriots would same them against russian missiles. The patriot only proved itself against SCUDs, those are old.

How do you know? Do you own a patriot missile defence system AND a russian ballistic missile system to test it against?

Oh and the iraqi insurgents don't prefer to attack civilians rather then the army there, is that another "FACT" of yours though?

Well unless you count police as military then I would say they do.
Attacking a police station rather than say oh I dont know the 1st cavs primary base is a little les dangerous, yes no?

The insurgents there carry out strikes against the US. With al their gear it's only smart not to go in a hed on ingagement with US forces.

No they prefer to fight policemen..

By the way, the US isn't exactly famouse for it's ability to fight guerilla warfare. Vietnam; 50,000 casualties in 20 years.

And I wonder what country actually DOES have a good casualty rate against guerilla warfare......

Afgan (vs russia); 20,000 dead in 15 years.

Is that the civilian casualty list or the military one, I would like to know.

Oh and there is no current arab army in iraq you jack a*s.

Huh?
What about the iraqi army!

Yhea, taiwan has forces and so does south korea, what's your point? You think that would be enough to help you against china?

Well yes considering both would allow the US to engage the enemy closer and provide an airstrip.

lol. true, Japan can help, until the russian fleet attacks.

Lol what russian fleet? The one that cant pay its sailors??

Canada on your side is a tremendouse resource? LMAO! nice one!.

It has several decent warships, old mabye but still fightable.

It's pointless cause I can see you don't know jack and squat about militaries, past war histories,

Neither do you from the sounds of it , or did you forget when the mighty russian army left humbled from afghanistan by osama?
Or when they where beaten by the "inferior" sweedish army on skis...

I gave you examples of just china and russia, I didn't even metnion the rest of the world.

Yes you missed out NATO for some reason.

Spets you seem to forget one key fact. In Vietnam, Korea, and in Iraq today, the war is not controlled by the Generals. These wars were all controlled completely by the politicians. They put huge stringent controls on what the military could and where it could go, both in Vietnam and Korea. Korea was a success in that NK was fought back to the 38th parallel and the borders were preserved. However MacArthur could have gone way farther and was on the borders of China when Truman stepped in and told him his place. Vietnam was no different. Politicians put strict regulations on not bombing population centers. The politicians completely screwed that war up. In Iraq today were not doing anything. Were in a defensive position trying to defend against the insurgents. Sometimes we try to take and offensive but the problem is at the same tim were trying to win the hearts of Iraqi citizens. In a world war, if this were the case, we'd be busting in doors wherever we thought they were hiding. If the insurgents fired from a mosque we'd fire back but in the form of 500lb bombs. World war is a full on war whereas any wars that the US has fought since world war II have been limited.

About your comments on the bombing of Vietnam and how ineffective it was. You could not be more right. That was a complete fiasco. Now however, we have laser guided, GPS and Bunker busting bombs. Most of these have pinpoint accuracy and are more devastating to the enemy because theyre not just droping a crapload of 500 lb bombs miles away. Its a 500 lb or a tomahawk within feet of your position.

Also about the comment on how the SU-30 is better than all other US planes. This may be true, and it probably is. The difference between the two is that the US can afford to put its pilots in the air for a lot more hours of training than the Russians can. Many Russian bases are way underfunded and that is a really big problem. The deciding factor I think is funding, which the US has a huge huge huge edge on.

Russia's planes are the best why? What have they done. What are their numbers. What is their condition. Upkeep? Or are you talking about their super weapons which they can't produce on a large scale if any at all? Wait i forgot super manuverability, well you can't out manuver a missle not long enough, and without stealth ability what can you do?

We took afghanistan in a week or two and still think after 5 years are less then or a little over 100 dead... beats the crap out of what russia. That not a FACT?

China's waves would be decimated. Large troop formations is exactly what the US is geared for it would be a joke.

When your masses form one cargo plane can drop a moab or daisy cutter and poof no more masses. Cluster weapons work great on formations.

The arab army in iraq is the terrorists, thats about all they are good for. As a stand up fighting force they don't have a clue.

Yes losing china ecconomically would hurt but it would hurt them more then the US.

I meant CANADA's NATURAL RESOURCES. METALS OIL ECT.... They are actualy the largest source we import from. THe mid east accounts for only 20% of our imports. In fact if war broke out today china is screwed because they depend on mid east oil more then we do, and guess who won't be getting theirs? We already control it. WE don't need to control the populations just control the pumps and we can do that...

In vietnam we lost 50,000 its well documented that the north lost over a million and they never really massed up. and if we wanted to we could have collapesed the north in a WW kill or be killed all bets are off. Actually the vietnamese were very close to giving up they saw political preasure at the US homefront and held on.
The tunnels helped win the war but they were not unbeatable try sitting in a tunnel with thousands of tons of weapons going off above those things you feel are shock waves and enought can kill you. Never mind cause internal injuries leading to death.

Plus that was 30 years ago if you think the US hasn't planned for such think again. Nootice ground penetrating weapons trend?

Germany lol yeah ok they'll stop our supplies sure thats if they aren't on our side and have some of hitlers super weapons hidden away. Germany agian is a joke militarily.
When your mobs of people go to ramstein air force base they'll get mowed down like the chinese.

South korea and taiwan have better forces then china just not the numbers. Again china has to move these waves and it won't happen.

You haven't supported anything you've said. You just say "nuh uh". You point to vietnam when anyone with a historical backround
knows BS politics won the war for NV not their military prowless.

You forget america already has the tech and machine to do the job all we need is ramped up production and a draft. Just about any other nation needs a draft create an indutrial base and design weapons and train masses of troops. We have the infrastructure already. You forget that.

Russia has the best stuff based on what? Based on the fact that america has been blowing it up with ease in the mid east?

In the first gulf war saddam had over a million troops, that great russian anti air tech everywhere, and russian planes and tanks... HOw did that play out... I keep forgeting... lmao russia great people but not a thre

What russian fleet? The mothballed rusting away no money to keep it going fleet.

Get out of the dream world and start accepting that the US military is unmatched and will remain so, I know your jealous. Russia can barely afford what is has and has not kept up tech wise or quantity quality wise. send a hundred guys running at two guys with machine guns in a nest see what happens.

No country except the US can project power around the globe.. THATS A FACT.
What other nation could do anything other then russia and china?

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And we haven't even talked about whats showing up now and full deployment is right around the corner Robots.. You know UCAVs which can out manuever any manned plane based on human G thresholds alone. which cost less and can be produced in mass. which are much more stealthy and have more operation ability such as loitering waiting for targets.. Which no other country really has going other then america and her allies.

Its only a matter of time until UGV's start appearing you know unmanned ground vehicles. Some strykers are already remote controlled and are being tested...

There is soo much you would sht your pant. Right now in iraq new weapons systems are being tested, battle hardened, and created. Russia and china can't do jack except wave around flashy designs which aren't tested.

Oh and the reason why russia and china can't move their large forces is becasue they get decimated in the air or on the sea. By thats right american power.

I don't think the numbers of china would be decimated just because that what i think, its because its been the trend against the US no one can win head on. When millions of troops advance it takes logistics for them too and base camps. Untill proven otherwise the US controls the the AIR and SEA. You can't prove that historically the US has not or currently does not control both. It is you who thinks your right so that must be the way it is.

Do you really think the US is soley depending on oil for its war machine knowing that every country in the world see that as the way of beating it...

United States more then meets the eye.

Whereas most nations don't even have a serious military other then US allies or china and russia. Both of which wish they had the US budget and current equipment and training. You know existing modern well kept carrier and subs forces air forces ground forces.

Its the russian system which saddams army used to organize all power at the top no power at the lower level, its bound to fail.


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Originally posted by WestPoint23

That's classic, nice one, now you know why I’ve tried to stay way form this thread.

I thought it was American mad man, the first one. I then realised it wasn't him and didn't want to respond

In China, we also have someone behave like that "American Madman"
we called them angry youth.

As prideful as most of these posts are, it's difficult to ignore the experience of the past 15 years and the state of the world as it exists.

It seems people are always ready to fight the last war, and use numbers to prove thier point, and that applies to both the U.S. and anti-U.S. positions. Links and references intended to make the case for one side or another can be as deceptive as the wishful thinking that drives many of these arguments.

The war for control of the world is ongoing, hidden in most part, and the results are reflected in the news that rises to the surface in press reports.
Anglo-American world hegemeny is challenged every day by those sitting on the outside, and certainly faces serious opposition, but key financial, trade, technology and diplomatic intiatives are still in the control of these countries.

Russian posters are imagining that thier war machines provide a source of power and influence. They don't. Only Gazprom's oil does. Taking comfort from alliance with Chavez, Syria, and the Chinese does not change the weak position Putin has to confront in his own front yard, as the emnity of Chechins, Georgians, Bulgarians toward Russians rises to the surface.

As grand alliances go, I would put more faith in the Hitler-Stain pact than a Chinese partnership.

Originally posted by gs001
In China, we also have someone behave like that "American Madman"
we called them angry youth.

What? Not backing down means I'm angry? Wow china has you guys put your place huh... In america we call you sheep.

I guess I shouldn't question someone who calls me an idiot and can't prove a point regardless of their being childish.

Originally posted by Spets

By the way china has 2.5 million modernized troops, the 200million that can be recriuted wuold be the human wave, but 200mil compared to US's 500,000 makes USA seems like 3 empty letters. Yhea #s aren't the most important thing in wars, but ask yourself, will your country have the resources to fight that? And actually research properly befor you tell me "HA! FACT!"

The US already does have the resources to fight that. The problem with your logic is you assume that these troops are going to just appear on a battlefield in front of US Infantry.

As those troops are trying to move to a battlefied they can be dealt with the US i'm sure has no intent to fight an old style battle allowing china to mass its troops and then let them charge the US.

Remember It only takes one missle to blow a hundred troops from the sky one or two nicey placed torpedos can sink hundreds or thousands of troops at sea. A moab or daisy cutter can decimate large ground formations.

And those 2.5 million modernized troops is a joke, and heres why: China spends a small fraction of what America spends on "defense" and yet their forces in numbers are much larger there is no way they can afford on their small budget to buy lots of new tanks, planes, ships, research, train, feed, and equip all those troops on such a small budget. out of that 2.5 million maybe and this a big mabe 1/4 to 1/2 are anywhere near modern and ready to fight a real military rather then just intimidating the chinese locals. Putting on a uniform and givng a guy a gun does not make him a soldier never mind an effective one. It takes years of training hundreds of thousands of dollars each. And real war experience doesn't hurt.

Let see how many bullets does it takes to kill a person...? How many missles or bombs does it take to sink or shoot down the vehicles transporting them...? NOt sure exactly but I can tell you this. It will take the US less to kill those men then it will take CHina to train and equip them... By the way how are all these troop getting to the battlefield? Thats alot of transports lots of resources lots of targets... Don't tell me they are walking around the world.

You keep forgetting that in a WW the dominate force the US currently has land air sea would mulitiply alot.

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American Madman... you speak as if the US is invincible... That American naval and air power is invincible.

Give me a break. Sure, the US military is superior compared to that of China or Russia, but if you think that the US can easiliy handle either nation is a complete joke.

Numbers are not an issue anymore. In a full out war your human waves from china would be decimated THATS A FACT.

If you honestly believe that China's sole military tactic is to send out waves of milllions of soldiers straight into the guns of Americans... I have nothing more to say to you. I HONESTLY suggest you start reading up on China's military BEFORE you come here stating "facts." Rofl... "human waves," your hillarious.

You have got to realize that movies such as "We Were Soldiers" do not apply to the military of present day China.




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Originally posted by k4rupt
American Madman... you speak as if the US is invincible... That American naval and air power is invincible.

Give me a break. Sure, the US military is superior compared to that of China or Russia, but if you think that the US can easiliy handle either nation is a complete joke.

I never said easily. And no they aren't invincible, we would take great losses in a world war, I just believe everyone elses losses would be much greater by far. BTW have you seen any real current threat to the US air or sea power?

And I didn't start with the chinese human waves tatic. Another guy did and I just pointed out to him that they would be decimated, Its seems you agree. I would imagine china knows better then to send its troops on suicide runs to accomplish nothing.

Aside from china and russia does any nation, not our allies, have a real navy or air force? Russia navy and air force have suffered dramatically because of a alack of funding.

How many carrier task forces does the US have?

How many does the rest of the world combined have?

Who's air force has been a dominate force ever since vietnam?

Who has a heavy long range bombing force? Russia if not in a rancid state from lack of up keep.

Who has the most advanced stealth fighters and bombers in the world. SAMS which have not done jack except state that they can do not count. Hey I have a mega death ray, I just have not proved it works yet.

Who is already using unmaned vehicles in a widespread enviornment in both land sea and air. For both recon and attack. Once the ucavs like the "cancelled (gone black) x45" type projects are in full swing the air will be owned without any fear of human life lost on our side. This is not a dream the US defense dept, put out a memo stating that progress on a robotic bombing forces has been accelerated 20 years and that within a decade a global all robotic bombing force will be in play.

Robots have no fear, they can loiter, they can outmanuever any human due to g thresholds alone. Also since there is no canopy its even more stealthy. Right now the american military is going througha transformation to integrate everything into a lare fast efficient killing machine. Our infantry will have access to a battlefield internet giving them all the intell and communication they need, that is already in the field being tested working out issues, Blue force tracker is one of the first steps. If I think were so dominate military wise its because we are. No other country can project force around the world other then the US.

In a head on war who can match us? All that russian equipment in Iraq got trashed in the first war with ease.



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Originally posted by Spets
By the way, the US isn't exactly famouse for it's ability to fight guerilla warfare. Vietnam; 50,000 casualties in 20 years. Afgan (vs russia); 20,000 dead in 15 years. Oh and there is no current arab army in iraq you jack a*s.

LMAO, what a completely stupid comparison, you obviosult know little about both conflicts. The US was fighting a well trained several million man strong army in the jungle (which provides alot of cover ). which was also very well supplied, not to mention North Vietnam was off miits to ground operations .The Soviets were fighting a tiny poorly equipped, poorly trained, tribal guerilla force and comphensively had their arse kicked. If the Soviets had fought in Vietnam instead, tehy wouldn't hvae had an army after - it would have been wiped out.

^^^^lol!!!!Thanks for pointing out the big difference rouge! It should also be well noted the soldiers weren't motivated,had little morale,the war was more political, and the US had bad intelligence.Even though we constantly bombed the Ho Chi Minh trail it diidn't seem to work even with the CHristmas bombing tactics used by B-52's. Technology has improved a lot since then and so have special forces and intelligence gathering.

www.defensereview.com...

originally posted by spetsThe US has naval and air supperiority? Is that another "FACT" of yours. Perhaps you'll try to back that up by saying you heard that on TV on discovery or CNN? lol.

Nope it's done by research and comparative analasys.

Here's some Facts for you to chew on. The SU series aircraft are the best in the world and this was acknowledged by the pentagon.

Yea from what year.

The US has no planes in service that can maintain air supperiority against the SU. The Raptor is a match,
but there's not nearly enough of them in service with the USAF, while the russian airforce can exploit thousands of them in it's ranks already and that # is rising. As for your bigger navy, here, check this thread; www.abovetopsecret.com...

What do you mean a match. Big edge is more like it. That's what the JSF program is for,which is to replace the F16's,F 18 Superhornets and Harriers.

Russia is superior in both to the US. Now you are saying noone has stopped your ground forces? LOL. what happened in korea? WAit a sec, wasn't that a human wave that caused you to turn tail and run?

True but that's old news.A rtillery,submunition tehc etc has progressed alot since then. Now lets see those human waves work against the likes of MLRS,N LOS cannon,M1A2,Apache,C 130,WCMD"s, and MOAB. Why don't we talk about RUssian failures in Afghanistan and chechnya in which they we're numerically and technologically superior but lost anyway.

It can't be! If the US forces weren't stopped in vietnam (yes US had less casualties and won more battles) how come vietnam is communist today? The US backed out of that conflict too because of the US public yes, but overall vietnam is communist ain't it. By the way the US never fought a war without having total air supperiority. That is because they never fought a country that could chalenge them in tech. You don't know how to fight a war in which everything leans your way, where you always have supplies and air cover. A world war would be different. I already made my point on the fact that russia holds dominance over US in air power,

Yes we have fought lower enemies and won but the same doesn't hold true for Russia how sad. DId you know the Russian air force doesn't even get the minimum amount of training.most of the Russian navy is in ruins. Shows how stupidly nationalistic you can be by ignoring facts and talking out of pure patriotism.

and I also would like to add that russias anti-air missile systems are th best in the world right now, the S300u can even take out stealth targets at the range of 60 miles.

It's the S300PMU. I'm not even Russian and i know quite a bit on these systems. read up.
1.)
www.ausairpower.net...
www.ausairpower.net...
simply estimates(accurate only the F/A 22 RCS is way off)

www.aerospaceweb.org...
lowest RCS engagement ofr the S300/400 series is .01 square meters is hardly a stealth aircraft.

2.) where did they get the stealth aircraft to test on????

3.)

The UAV also lacks the endurance of the Predator or Global Hawk UAVs. Nonetheless, the aircraft's ability to "dwell" over a target area for several hours is highly valued. Its surveillance package options include an LPI synthetic aperture radar salvaged from the Navy's A-12 program as well as infrared and electro-optical sensors (AW&ST June 4, 2001, p. 30). The Air Force has had a long-standing requirement for a very-low-observable, high-altitude UAV that can fly 1,000 naut. mi. to a target, penetrate modern air defenses such as the SA-10, SA-12 and SA-20 anti-aircraft missile systems, loiter for at least 8 hr. and return to base.

aviationnow.com... p%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dnews%2F07073news.xml

THE UPGRADED F/A-22 air-to-ground capability will produce a stealth aircraft able to "defeat modern surface-to-air missiles" like the SA-20 or S-400 family and to track and attack moving targets, he said. It also will be a key to cruise missile defense because with super-cruise speed it can position itself for both a "first and second shot," Roche revealed, which is difficult "because a cruise missile can come from any direction."

www.aviationnow.com... st_story.jsp%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dnews%2F03224wna.xml

* Radar signature approximately the size of a bumblebee, thereby avoiding detection by the most sophisticated enemy air defense systems
* Signatures/emissions of sound, turbulence, and heat that can aid detection are reduced
* Requires no direct assistance from electronic support aircraft that may be more easily detected
* Includes planform alignment of the wing and tail edges, radar-absorbing sawtoothed surfaces, an engine face that is concealed by a serpentine inlet duct, "stealthy" coating cockpit design to minimize the usually substantial radar return of pilot’s helmet
* Through internal weapons placement, the F-22 eliminates multiple surface features that could be detected by enemy radar

www.f22-raptor.com...

Oh and about your "we will bomb you back to the stone age comment". Same phrase was used in vietnam when the US faked an attack on one of their ships by the vietnamese (befor war) and initiated a bombing strike on north vietnam. In the process more bombs were droped than in world war 2 on North vietnam and they hit apsolutely NO military targets what so ever! HAHAHA. the vietnamese were safe in their tunnels. Just giving you an example of your "bombing back to the stoneage".

that was due to bad intelligence and tehc and intelleigence tehc has growna lot since then.

So now you're asking about who would cut off the US supplies in Iraq? Germany can with their air and navy, russia can help. Israel for all they're worth can be lvled by russia's rocket forces all the way from russia, and no, not even the patriots would same them against russian missiles. The patriot only proved itself against SCUDs, those are old.

We can use THAAD.It even takes on ICBM's

Out of characters. iw ill continue tommorow especially since im going to sleep af