My Near Death Experience and Ascent to Heaven

I too was concerned about the thread going in a direction it was not intended. I planned on making that clear this morning.

My apologies to kinglizard for getting slightly off track as this is a wonderful thread filled with God's love.

Blessings to all!

wow Kinglizard, thanks so much for sharing. You are truly blessed.

I can understand the confusion with the pain though...I had pnemonia many times as a child and spent I dont know how long in the oxygen tent...when, in my adult years I went to the hospital cos I could stand up straight and my temp was 39 degrees. I thought I had indigestion...lmao well it wasnt...and after a week of sleeping and drugs ( I cant believe I was yelling out: "I want more pethadine") lol
but the pain was like nothing I have experienced!! and I have had two kids!!!! (that is saying something!!)

anyway, I have never had an NDE but a friend of mine went white water rafting in NZ and her incident was 3 weeks before some people actually died. It was on the news. Anyway, she describes very similar things. She is definitely altered because of it and somewhat serene now. I dont think she was ever anal but is she has this peace about her...

thanks so much for sharing


edit: spelling of pnemonia... lol




[edit on 5-5-2006 by NJE777]

I am happy you came back and survived but I wanted to ask a view questions first:

1. Were you religious to begin with? and could the afterlife be something that we imagine it would be like to accomodate us?
2. Did you see anything that could be discribed as a tunnel filled with light or any people/relatives/angels?
3. could you actually see your body? did you have cloths?

You are truly blessed and thank you for sharing, since me believes are so radically different I wonder if it would be much different for me, I don't even believe in the conventional god.

Thank you for the questions Ground Zero. Let me try to answer.

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
1. Were you religious to begin with? and could the afterlife be something that we imagine it would be like to accomodate us?

I grew up in Catholic parochial schools though I abandoned my faith in my mid twenties. About 4 or 5 years ago I became a Christian; I wanted my relationship with God back though there was always this whisper of a voice that doubted my belief. That voice is now silent and I want to live for God.

I have no idea if what I saw was somehow fashioned to accommodate my assumptions about the afterlife and heaven though it was much different than I imagined.

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
2. Did you see anything that could be described as a tunnel filled with light or any people/relatives/angels?

I was bathed in the light and felt God though there was no tunnel. I simply ascended in the sky with the light coming through the gold curtain (image below). When I reached heaven the light was above the “city” with nothing in between me and the light of God. I didn’t see any relatives, people or angels.

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
3. could you actually see your body? did you have cloths?

I never looked to see if I had a body but I felt like myself.


My ascent image I created in Photoshop though it doesn't do justice to the experiance:

Kinglizard, your new avatar is beautiful! Is the crown stuck in the ground representitive of something or is it just something that came to mind?

So if god is so wonderful and all powerfull why does he hate amputees? I mean he heals infections, diseases and performs all kinds of miracles why has he never regenerated a persons limb?

Yes indeed Lecter, it's nice to see that you care so much for others.

I most certainly wish all the sick could be healed as you do though it doesn't mean that God hates amputees.

Blessings...

Luke 22:49-51 (New International Version)

When Jesus' followers saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, should we strike with our swords?" And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.

But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.

[edit on 10-5-2006 by kinglizard]

Dear Kinglizard,

In my review of NDE experiences I have found that many report feeling oneness with God or even Being God during the experience. Often this experience of Being God is associated with a complete knowing of the meaning of and purpose for the universe.

Considering your stated devotion and intent to live for God does this indicate that you feel you need to Do or Be for God as opposed to Being or Doing for yourself? Do you need to be for God in such a way that you feel God would approve? In other words, is being here now in your body about your own personal evolution or do you see yourself as somehow a servant of God, or is it both?

Personally I believe that my personal spiritual evolution here will inevitably bring me closer to the Creator and in that sense I do believe I live "for God" but not in the sense that I need to perform certain labors for God other than to continue to evolve along the lines Christ espoused and Do those things that cause me and others to evolve spiritually. Comments?

Originally posted by seattlelaw
In my review of NDE experiences I have found that many report feeling oneness with God or even Being God during the experience. Often this experience of Being God is associated with a complete knowing of the meaning of and purpose for the universe.

During my near death experience there was no time when I felt like I was God or one with God. I was most definitely myself just as I am sitting here today. I felt God’s love, peace and understanding when I was bathed in his light but I never felt like I was part of the light. I always knew that God loved his children but I was shocked at the depth of his love. You won’t believe it when you experience it.

Originally posted by seattlelaw
Considering your stated devotion and intent to live for God does this indicate that you feel you need to Do or Be for God as opposed to Being or Doing for yourself?

I want to do his will not my own; I want to live for his glory not my own.

Originally posted by seattlelaw
Do you need to be for God in such a way that you feel God would approve? In other words, is being here now in your body about your own personal evolution or do you see yourself as somehow a servant of God, or is it both?

If I live for God he will approve as he will be the one directing my life to do his works.

Right now I feel I need to share (for God) my near death experience with as many people as possible in the most honest way that I can, even if it means embarrassing myself by sharing my own faults and shortcomings. I’ve attempted to do just that in this thread because the details of my life up to this point are important. I’ve told everyone that I am a sinner that abandoned my faith and God for many years, that even during my years of faith I had a whisper of a voice that doubted my belief in God. I get the feeling that all these points are important to share so that people know there is absolutely nothing special about me. I’m just like everyone else; my experience isn’t something that will only happen to a select group of righteous people. The profound love I felt from God is the same love he has for ALL his children. If you put your faith in him you will be received in the same way. What a beautiful thing.

What’s next for my life? I have no idea but I pray everyday asking God to do as he wishes with me and my life.

Blessings to you seattlelaw...

seattlelaw, I think I understand your questions fairly well because I asked them myself of Christians and other religious folks back in the day. It can be hard to grasp because God seems so intangible to us here living on this little marble floating in the void. So, instead of trying to make God seem more tangible, I'm going to use an example of a tangible kind of love that most people experience.

You're married, and you love your wife more than anything else on Earth(so, in today's culture, this is during the first week of the marriage...Maybe the first few hours...). You can't stand the Andrew Lloyd Webber, but your wife loves Cats more than any other movie or musical ever written. Now, Cats comes to town, and your wife is extremely excited to go see the play. Do you go? Of course you do. What surprises you, though, is that you actually enjoy the play. How can this be?

If you love your wife, you are happy when something makes her happy; when you love someone, your focus shifts from yourself and settles on them, with no care of what you get in return. I hate to reference Bette Midler, but I'm going to. Have you ever heard the song, "Wind Beneath My Wings"? That's love. When you try to glorify someone else with no care for what it gets you, it's because you've made that person more important to you than yourself. It's because you truly love them.

King Lizard has that kind of love for God, and God calls him friend. So when you ask if he's doing something for God or for himself, the answer is both. He is happy to bring glory and honor to God because he first feels God deserves it and because God first loved him.

"You never know why you're alive until you know what you would die for ... no greater love is found than of those who lay their own lives down." -MercyMe

I think KingLizard knows why he's alive.

Thank you for the responses and the blessings. I am blessed in many ways.

I am interested in exploring the sense of change that seems to come over the NDE individual following the direct exposure to God's light/love.

For example, Kinglizard indicates he was a sinner before the NDE and tacitly rejected or questioned the existence of God. He also acknowledges that it is important for him that everyone know this so that they will not feel separated from his experience with God or deem themselves unworthy (my interpretation).

I suppose my inquiry is that while I can understand that this profound experience altered your level or belief in the hereafter and God, what about the experience caused you to choose to live "for God" as opposed to how you were living. And more to the point, how is living "for God" different from how you were living prior to the NDE? Is living "for God" simply doing for others? Is it more? Or is it a matter of a permanent mental state where you constantly monitor your interactions and motivations?

Thanks again for the dialogue.

Originally posted by kinglizard
Yes indeed Lecter, it's nice to see that you care so much for others.

I most certainly wish all the sick could be healed as you do though it doesn't mean that God hates amputees.

Blessings...

Luke 22:49-51 (New International Version)

When Jesus' followers saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, should we strike with our swords?" And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.

But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.

[edit on 10-5-2006 by kinglizard]

Yes I do hate to see people suffer, but you simply made a comment.... Do you not have an answer to my question or will it be one of those god works in mysterious ways? (i am not trying to bust your chops, I simply wish to understand people with your reasoning pattern)

You could call me stupid, but I believe that sickness is something that has to be fought alone... Well in some cases you may need someone to help you, to give you alittle more moral support, but pain and sickness is a way life will challenge you, and bring you to higher states of mind later on.

I remember once, I would have simple fevers and I would make myself believe that I could defeat them, and so I would do push-ups and setups and push myself beyond the limit so that I exhausted myself, thus exhausting the sickness. So instead of lying in bed, I would go outside wearing no clothing and take a run around the back yard But it always seemed to work for me.

Originally posted by Lecter
Yes I do hate to see people suffer, but you simply made a comment.... Do you not have an answer to my question or will it be one of those god works in mysterious ways? (i am not trying to bust your chops, I simply wish to understand people with your reasoning pattern)

I’m not sure what you are looking for Lecter. You said “God hates amputees because he never healed one” and I have shown you a verse from the bible where Jesus heals an amputee. You seem to be looking for an answer to a question not yet asked…not really sure…

Putting the amputee thing aside there is a problem with your reasoning. Just because you find out God didn’t heal some particular illness or physical problem doesn’t mean he had hatred for that entire group. If you discovered Jesus didn’t cure someone with ovarian cancer would you accuse Jesus of hating all women with that illness? If so that isn’t a reasonable argument friend.

Blessings…

Originally posted by seattlelaw
And more to the point, how is living "for God" different from how you were living prior to the NDE? Is living "for God" simply doing for others? Is it more? Or is it a matter of a permanent mental state where you constantly monitor your interactions and motivations?

Thanks again for the dialogue.

I would say living for God is acting as his representative here on earth. Living your life in a way that honors God, living in a way consistent with the teachings in the Bible, living for his glory not your own, leading by example if I am able.

Don't get me wrong, there is still nothing special about me, I am still a sinner. (not that you would assume I am not lol, I just like to make that clear).

Blessings to you...

Now that is interesting to me. The entire concept of sin I simply don't buy into. It's a huge part of the Catholic Church to feel the guilt of your sin - original sin even! Meaning that every infant is born with the stain of original sin. This I find preposterous. There is nothing as wonderful and so clearly representing God's light on earth than a new-born.

I don't believe God finds anything wrong with any of us unless it is our own self-imposed punishment. The concept of a God of retribution - the concept of an angry God is now foreign to me. I do believe Jesus was here to show us a path to God, but I do not believe that God retaliates against us for not following that path. I do not believe that there is a chalk board somewhere where our "sins" are tabulated and weighed against our good deeds to determine whether we have gained access to heaven, nirvana or whatever. If sin can be defined as doing what is not truly representative of who you are - which would be a lie - then that is one thing. But the church's reliance on the concept of sin and absolution is a hook to get the masses to buy into their program. The program (like Scientology) cannot be completed without the assistance of their priest which makes membership in the church required to get the desired hall pass to heaven.

This is dogma. And while I know that dogma spelled backwards is am god, I do not believe God holds much truck with dogma.

I sort of believe you... Its hard for me to believe in something I have no proof of... I guess I trust you... but its still a bit farfetched... I'm sure its possible though since not many people have gotten that far to heaven and come back.

Have you heard about a brain surgeon that accidently found a region of the brain that when stimulated the patients had a feeling of happines with a out of the body experiance which most people describe as "heaven"?

Originally posted by Lecter
Have you heard about a brain surgeon that accidently found a region of the brain that when stimulated the patients had a feeling of happines with a out of the body experiance which most people describe as "heaven"?

I’ve heard of experiments using strong electromagnetic fields in a laboratory setting causing this but never the brain surgeon story though I don’t doubt it could be done. I’ve heard of strong drugs causing this and don’t doubt that either. As for me I wasn’t on any drugs, having brain surgery or being experimented on…thank goodness…

Anyway I’m not trying to convince you of anything, I’m simply sharing my story and what I know to be true in the most honest way I can.

Blessings…

hi there

Would just like to say.

Know thyself and u will know gods work, we are all but notes on gods sheet of music, learn what note you are and where you should be on the sheet! The answers are within my friend, no point in looking externally. theres no place like home huh ;D

SouLJa