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Originally posted by pepsi78
Eye and piramid.
1 the piramid and the eye represents aicient egiptian culture of the god horus and orisis, orisis being god of the uderworld, horus being the son of orisis.
Artifact from egiptian museum.
The eye is the sun, the sun is god(not our god ceck the bible)
but horus, and he is above the piramid on top looking at the people , while they pray to him every morning, basicly they praid to the sun every morning so horus wont punish them.
Your interpretation about where it came from are totaly unrealistic, it started with the god of the sun in aicient egipt, it's related to ra, horus , orisis the one you worship.
basicly everithing comes from there compas and sqare is an artifact that you will find in egiptian museum, and it's 100% atribueted and represents aicient egipt.
The pyramid probably originated with the Greek mathematicians.
Originally posted by Trinityman
pepsi78
I think you're getting mixed up between Masonic Light and me. It would appear that's not the only thing you're mixed up about.
Originally posted by pepsi78
So your saing not to trust the bible great stuff, yet you have one in every lodge,you dont make sence,ohh but that is just for the surface , since you in your on statement say it has proven wrong.
Who's this "our"? Gotta a mouse in your pocket?
Wrong. The sun was worshiped because it was viewed as the giver of physical life. They did not believe the sun was going to "punish" them.
What square and compass, what artifact, and what museum?
Originally posted by Distracto
This is a ludrious statement. If you had any knowledge of history at all you would realize that the egyptian culture pre-dated nearly every civilization on the planet.
The only argument you could possible raise is whether the pryamid was first developed by egyptians or mesopotamians.
And biblically, many aspects of Freemasonry differ from the teachings of the Holy Bible.
The earth has four corners (the Bible writers though the world was flat).
All creatures were created basically the same as they are now (we now know that the various species evolved from extinct common ancestors).
The universe was created in six days about 6,000 years ago (we now know that the universe came into existence around 14 billion years ago, and is continuing to expand and create (i.e., creation is still going on, it didn't stop on the Jewish sabbath).
Rainbows are a sign that God will never destroy the world by flood again (we now know that there was never a worldwide flood, and rainbows are simply white light streams broken through a prism).
Man was created before any other animal (we now know that dinosaurs and many other animals walked the earth before humans appeared).
And many teachings of the Holy Bible differ from the teachings of the Zend Avesta, and many teachings of the Analects of Confucius differ from the teachings of the Communist Manifesto, but none of that has anything to do with what we're talking about.
The Bible is used traditional in Masonic Lodges, as the symbol of Divine Will. However, Masonry does not require its members to literally believe it, or be Christians.
Some of the stuff the Bible says or insinuates that has been proven wrong:
1. The earth has four corners (the Bible writers though the world was flat).
2. All creatures were created basically the same as they are now (we now know that the various species evolved from extinct common ancestors).
3. The universe was created in six days about 6,000 years ago (we now know that the universe came into existence around 14 billion years ago, and is continuing to expand and create (i.e., creation is still going on, it didn't stop on the Jewish sabbath).
4. Rainbows are a sign that God will never destroy the world by flood again (we now know that there was never a worldwide flood, and rainbows are simply white light streams broken through a prism).
5. Man was created before any other animal (we now know that dinosaurs and many other animals walked the earth before humans appeared).
Originally posted by Distracto
It has everything to do with what we are talking about- especially when others attempt to classify Masonry as a brotherhood that coincides with christian values.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Distracto
It has everything to do with what we are talking about- especially when others attempt to classify Masonry as a brotherhood that coincides with christian values.
Masonry is a brotherhood that coincides with all true values, not only sectarian ones. While there is nothing in Masonry that would exclude the Christian, there is also nothing to disclude the Deist, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Taoist, or the Hindu.
While there is nothing in Masonry that would exclude the Christian, there is also nothing to disclude the Deist, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Taoist, or the Hindu.
Originally posted by pepsi78
well dont you belive the eye in the eye of god?
"Wrong. The sun was worshiped because it was viewed as the giver of physical life. They did not believe the sun was going to "punish" them."
And do you belive the same?
"What square and compass, what artifact, and what museum?"
The egiptian museum holds the one of it's bigest simbols as an artifact , it's the square and compas, it's noted as being one of the bigest simbols of aicient egipt.
None of the simbols has to do in any way with god that we know today, no such simbols are atribuited to him, there is no asociation that can be done, there for we are talking about other gods/god which tends to have dark suroundings based on their history.
Originally posted by Distracto
Your order just excludes everyone else. After all, its a secret. Thats the main reason why you swear oaths to keep it a secret....
Originally posted by pepsi78
But since you are in contradiction with the bible you are in contradiction with cristianity.
How many share you view on the bible from the masonic ranks?
Do you all sustain the same?
I would like to know, but basicly what ever you aswer you will cause more questions, if you say yes, then we can deduct that even crestin masons are in contradiction with the bible, if not then I want to talk to one that is not.
In Masonry, the All Seeing Eye is the symbol of the omnipresence of God. There is also an esoteric, occult meaning to the Eye, although it is not used in Masonry, but sheds light on its origin as a symbol.
Yes, I'm quite convinced that the sun is not going to punish me. I'm also reasonably assured that the sun is the giver of physical life, inasmuch as without it we would die. All this is pretty elementary.
So you've said, I'm just waiting for some proof. I've never seen the square and compass used on any papyrus or in hieroglyphs, or in religious sites, which they no doubt would have been if they were in fact "one of the biggest simbols of aicient egipt" (sic).
Again, you're floating off on your own personal religious beliefs, which I promise I care nothing about. To quote Joe Friday, "Just the facts, m'am".