NEWS: Afghan Law: Reject Islam, You Die

Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by Truth_Hunter_1976
This is why I despise Islam 0 tolerance of other faiths but there......Some Days I just wish that an asteroid would hit the Whole area......And why I think in a war against Extremists you hit them were it hurts IF Iran Attacks the jewish people we Nuke Mecca and Medina

So by your logic, if they attack Iran it's fine to nuke Israel?

Yes! That's what the World needs, even more death and destruction.

If I were a World Leader I would At least Carpet Bomb Mecca Everytime an Extreamist Group Kidnapped/Blew up/Or Terrorized my nation in the name of Islam anyway........You wanna be a Zelot well Strike at there Core were it hurts....Anyway how else are you going to beat a terrorist? Shake his hand pat him on the back and send him on his way????????

[edit on 21-3-2006 by Truth_Hunter_1976]

What a brilliant idea! That will certainly turn even the most moderate of moderates into crazed extremists looking for revenge.

And that is why you are not a world leader.

I am tired of um......5th world nations holding first world nations mentaly hostage.........Were is the Almighty U.N. When this Christian Man is about to be put to death for his beliefs..........

Alright, how about this.

Let's STOP wishing death upon Muslims. NOW.

If the thread keeps going down this path I'm going to lock it or send it to the trash bin.

Last warning.

Respectfully

When Do the Muslims stop wishing Death upon the Western World(The U.S. Brits and other nations with FREEDOM I am Angery and Unashamed of it....In the words of a Great Song have you forgotten?

Originally posted by Truth_Hunter_1976
Respectfully

When Do the Muslims stop wishing Death upon the Western World(The U.S. Brits and other nations with FREEDOM I am Angery and Unashamed of it....In the words of a Great Song have you forgotten?

Please do not make the mistake of labelling all Muslims as terrorists and vice versa. Not all Muslims wish death upon the Western world.

That said, we will not tolerate death wishes for any group of people. It is immature ill thought out banter, certainly not becoming of an ATSNN thread.

Get back on topic, please.

Accept Islam, You Die?

The topic seems to have gotten turned around.

If it's inappropriate to threaten people with death for not being Muslims, then why is it appropriate to threaten people with death for being Muslims?

Perhaps the problem isn't Islam, but extremists -- extremists of all faiths.

Hypocrisy will not solve the world's problems.

Originally posted by Truth_Hunter_1976
I am tired of um......5th world nations holding first world nations mentaly hostage.........Were is the Almighty U.N. When this Christian Man is about to be put to death for his beliefs..........

Students of hitory?

Why was Christ Crucified by the Romans and Jews?

Was it not the uestion of beliefs?

West to look its history of religious tyranny............ Why were Kings of England deprived of throne and life?




AND ...................why did Europe committed atrocities against Jews (Labelled Holocaust)?





chaudri

I see where the Western countries are pretty much all beginning to lobby Afganistan concerning the potential fate of the Muslim who converted to Christianity. The stories don't ever say so, but the Afgani representative seems to think everything will turn out ok. BTW, I was right about the Afganis agreeing to permit freedom of religion under their new constitution.

Originally posted by ChemicalLaser
I don't think it's misleading at all.

It gives the impression that if you don't convert to islam, then you can be killed, under afghan law.

I haven't the slightest idea how or where you are getting this shtuff. Do you have any evidence to back this up? Do you honestly think that Christianity has had a monopoly on the religion of Europe for the last 2000 years?

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What native religions exist in europe? Christianity and......??? Islam is present in large numbers, though imported. Judaism, agian, present, but imported. Wicca, a recreation in modern times. There are no more of the athena cults. Thor's hammer doesn't thunder over scandanavia anymore. Frey is silent. Apollo doesn't slay the serpent, and mithras's rites are studied only by academics.
In the middle east, the druze still practice their religion. The allawis still have their neoplatonic stellar religion. The yezidi still worship malik taus in their hilltop towns. The zoroastrian sacred fire still burns, and the mandeans still have their rituals of holy wine and dualism.
When christianity spread, it exterminated the religions it came into contact with. When islam spread, it used force also, granted, but it didn't systematically wipe out the other religions. Heck, if the other religion had a corpus of sacred books, then those books were not to be destroyed, unlike in evangelizing europe, where collections of pagan religious books, and even philosophical works of pagans, were destroyed.

OHHHH I see. That makes it perfectly acceptable. They're only killing their own people. Clearly, not quite as bad

I said nothing of the sort. I just wanted to point out that they are not saying that it is illegal to be a christian. People often, entirely erroneously, say that Islam requires that 'infidels' be killed if they will not convert. The opposite is what is required. They are, according to their scripture, required to not force conversions, and their religion makes special compensation for 'civilized' religions, like judaism, christianity, zoroastrianism, and others that have a codified religion (as opposed to wildmen of the woods and shamans and the like).
I am not saying that its right to kill an apostate from your own religion. Its immoral and wrong. The US Army should march into that court, execute the judge, and free the captive, and then force the central government to make legal protection that will prevent this sort of thing from happening. Its wrong. I am merely pointing out that, while just as wrong, its simply different from 'killing the non-beleivers'.

Prove it

Prove what? That there are'many' muslims that don't want sharia? I have never seen a single poll anywhere that ever said '100% of muslims responding wanted sharia'.

Muaddib
pagans worship a female deity, a Goddess, not a God.

There is no requirement that one worship a female diety in order to be a pagan. Hinduism is a pagan religion, for exmpale. Often, in the west, we meet people who say that they are pagans and that they worship some 'earth goddes', but this is a relatively new invention and by no means representative of paganism throughout history.

As far as the US being a christian nation, its not. US law is not based on the gospels or the teaching of jesus. Therefore, its not a christian nation. The majority of people in it are christians. The bulk of the founders were standard christians. Of special note, the most famous ones, like Washington and Jefferson, were Diests, a basically extinct religion. Jefferson, for example, had a special bible made up where the miracles were taken out.
If these guys were around today, they'd be 'outcasts and non-christians' to many christian groups, like the Unitarians and Mormons are.

facts should be changed to make the United States a secular nation

While this is somewhat off topic, I can't help but respond. The US is a secular nation, that is what the founders wanted, and that is what they created. Secular laws, secular rule, not ecclesiastical dogma and domination.

dodgeG1
how can he be a muslim if he's rejected the religion?

What they mean is, if you are a muslim, and then convert to some other religion, you can be killed. Being in a religion and then leaving it is called 'Apostasy'. The roman emperor Julian, for example, converted to christianity, then rejected it, and is known as Julian the Apostate.
Also, I haven't seen the koranic passage that states it so clearly as you and others have formulated it. In fact, if you look at the article, the people invovled phrase the apostasy as 'an attack upon islam', from which they are permited to use deadly force to protect themselves.
So, its an interpretation, really, like all religious opinion.

So its not evidence that muslims are trying to take over the world, hell I expect that there are many muslims that are entirely against this idea, let alone agianst the idea that there should be sharia law in the first place.

Prove it. Post a link. I'd would love to read it and see what the muslim community is doing to help make the world a better, more peaceful, more tolerant place to live in.

What I wonder is where the christian outrage would be if this man converted to Judasim, or Buddhism or Hinduism or Bahai? I would think out of simple human decency they would be outraged regardless to what he converted to but somehow I tend to feel that the funnymentalists would be slient.

In the East all non-muslims are either second class citizens or put to death. That's the truth. You cited the Yezidis. Excellent example of what I just said- untouchables who have been brutalized every generation, be it by Saddam, the ottomans, or whoever. You mentioned Zoroastrians. So oppressed they can't even have a fireworks festival without the Mullah police sending people to jail. This is a consistent pattern. I have seen ZERO (0) tolerance on the part of Islam concerning other religions. The myth of Islam living side by side with minorites in peace is precisely that- a myth. Jews are currently forbidden from taking residence in Saudi Arabia (as are masons). Any Muslim in Egypt, Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and a host of other Muslim countries which converts from Islam is put to death. That is FACT, non-debatable. Let's quit the propaganda, and put some pressure on Muslims for them to be more tolerant. Afghanistan would be a great start to getting rid of Sharia law.

[edit on 24-3-2006 by Nakash]

Originally posted by Nakash
Any Muslim in Egypt, Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and a host of other Muslim countries which converts from Islam is put to death. That is FACT, non-debatable.
[edit on 24-3-2006 by Nakash]

Could you please back that up with an example? A link? anything to prove what you just said is true. Just ONE story where someone was put to death for leaving Islam?

If you cannot then it is debatable.

Back up your claim to admit you can't back it up. The people on this board deserve no less.

An Afghan Christian facing possible execution for converting from Islam was likely to be released from jail "soon," a senior government official said following huge Western pressure over the case.

"He is likely to be released soon," the official said, adding there would be a top-level meeting on the matter Saturday.

In Ottawa, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he telephoned Karzai on Wednesday to express concern about a possible execution and "he conveyed to me that we don't have to worry about any such eventual outcome."

Karzai "assured me that what's alarmed most of us will be worked out quickly ... in a way that fully respects religious rights, religious freedoms and human rights," Harper added.

Afghanistan's Supreme Court said Thursday it was trying to find a "good solution" to the case, the first of its kind here, including persuading Rahman to revert to Islam.

Sharia law, on which the Afghan constitution is partly based, rules that conversion away from Islam must be punished by death if the accused person fails to revert.

Source

Looks like no one has seen this yet or atleast posted a update. Hopefully Afghanistan's Supreme Court will do the right thing.

Most of these people were tortured:


www.answering-islam.org...

Putting Chrstians to death isn't offically on Eygpt's code of law, but it is done. Putting gays and lesbians to death is however.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by ChemicalLaser
I don't think it's misleading at all.

I'd would love to read it and see what the muslim community is doing to help make the world a better, more peaceful, more tolerant place to live in.

If you listen to the news mongers, it certianly looks like the Islamic community is awash in terror, intolerance and misbenighted...But look at it wil ya...there are scattered seperatist groups (true thoughout the world Islamic or not) there is Palestine, the Iraq mess (which is our own doing, and was predictable) There is Iran and there is Afghanistan (which was wounded country after 20 years of invasion and civil war)...the majority of the people in each of these places want to be left alone to live in peace and get on with their lives...the people protesting in the streets are almost always government or other politically staged events...if you grouped all the extreme elements together in one place and counted noses, I would hazzard a guess that they wouldn't amount to 1% of the billion and better Muslims in the world, who as I said want to be left alone, both by the west and the terrorists as well.

So, with your intolerance I ask...What are you doing to make the world a better place?

and this is exactly why the whole islamic world needs a revolution. I am disgusted at the way this man is being persecuted. Its pathetic, there is no excuse for it at all.
I read the other day that someone was quoted as saying:
"Prophet Muhammad said so many times, that if someone leaves Islam, he is to be killed"

Which proves my point that the "hadith" (sayings, or so called sayings, of Muhammad) should NOT be taken as law in Islam, because most of them are nothing but made up stories

Another person said:
"In the Quran, it is clearly stated that christianity is not allowed in our land"

Which further proves my point that these people do NOT follow the Quran. It says no such thing, and they are uneducated people who listen and parrot things without knowing the truth.
In fact, in the Quran, it mentions people who "reject faith, then believe, then reject, then believe" etc....if we were supposed to kill them....how on earth would they be able to reject it again, believe it again, etc etc.?

I despair. I really do. I so wish that some change would come about in the Islamic world, but i just doubt it will ever happen

Originally posted by geek101

I despair. I really do. I so wish that some change would come about in the Islamic world, but i just doubt it will ever happen

Actually I do recall a prophecy (in the form of a hadith?) that states that a revolution will come, and it will come from the East.

Being a prophecy it's kinda vague, so I'm not sure where exactly 'East' is. But I do remember being told this. Maybe someone else can confirm/disprove this?

Originally posted by mrwupy

Could you please back that up with an example? A link? anything to prove what you just said is true. Just ONE story where someone was put to death for leaving Islam?

If you cannot then it is debatable.

Back up your claim to admit you can't back it up. The people on this board deserve no less.

Here's one person who was put to death for apostasy:

www.barnabasfund.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Barnabas fund

Reverend Hossein Soodmand was a Muslim who had converted to Christianity in 1964 and acted as pastor and evangelist in the Evangelical Christian Church. He was arrested in 1989 and charged with apostasy and insulting Islam through his own conversion and by his efforts to convert other Muslims. He was sentenced to death by a Revolutionary Court in Meshed and despite pleas for clemency by fellow pastors to the Dayro-E-Tasalamat (a Muslim cleric acting as Ombudsman, literally "he who hears the cries of the oppressed"), he was executed by hanging on 3rd December 1990 at the insistence of the Ombudsman.

There are many other instances on that site of people being imprisoned and tortured for apostasy and blasphemy and then dying in prison or becoming exiles.

[edit on 25-3-2006 by AceOfBase]

I see the apologists have fled this thread. This is undefendable behaviour, just read that link to see all you need to know.