2 weeks to war with Iran

I forsee a showing of Air Strikes upon the start of this war to be like no other war. Simply put, Iraq will be a joke IMO because I belive there will be a large alliance this time. Its not just the US that is getting tired of the middle east, I think even Canada will get in on this one. Our gouvernment is starting to get more defensive, and the new elections only help this.

I see all UN talks ending at the end of 2007, with fullscale war starting late 2007 early 2008. I say this because I belive 'they' need a year or two to restock oil and missles.

Lets be real here.... There is no question that with-in 5 years we are going to war with that gouvernment. Unless there is a leadership change, there is no choice, only delays.

Iran, you also need to step into the year 2006.... Come out of your mud house and clear the dust from your eyes.... Did you guys not see what happened in Iraq? These are not our daddies wars anymore. You are not safe unless you are 100feet underground with 30feet of concrete above your head, and then you better have a couple years worth of 'Butter Chicken' and water.... You are in a terribly defencive position and no were to go. You are against armys with technology being much like a giant video games for the Generals. Being able to control things from a computer screen in real time. While min. by min. Tehran would loose communication with every unit and city in it radius much like Bagdad did. Yes you would put up more of fight than Iraq, but remember... We are practiced at this now. We have be there, done that, and if we come to your door step, we are bringing more friends than we brought to Iraq...... Two words to Iran IMO...

BE CAREFULL

2 weeks to war with Iran? Buddy your delusional.

There has been none of the build up that would be needed for a war with Iran. Coalitions have not been made, the UNSC has said nothing so far, there has been vey little "saber rattling" and for the force needed for a full scale war with Iran to be in the gulf takes plenty of time.

Unless there is a false flag terrorist attack on a major American City that can somehow be traced back to Iran, i think we're along way off from open confrontation.

Novel idea though..

This would be old news but found it on the net and thought it was interesting and hence posting it. Ignore it if you have read it.

Speculations over US attack against Iran

By Jürgen Gottschlich

12/23/05 "Der Spiegel" -- -- Are the USA planing a rocket attack against targets in Iran? In secret discussions Washington was preparing the Allies for appropriate air strikes in 2006, agencies disclosed to day. Especially in the NATO country Turkey, speculations about an attack against Iranian nuclear facilities are taking place.

Istanbul/Berlin - The News exploded like a Bomb in the tranquil prechristmas mood.:Washington was preparing close allies for air strikes against Iran. This was disseminated today by the German Depeschenservice in a text by the former "FAZ" editor - Head and Secret Service Expert Udo Ulfkotte - however substantial doubts on this matter are certainly justified.

As source given by the not undoubted journalist Ulfkotte "Western security circles" without naming specifics. According to his statements, CIA-Chief Porter Goss in the Turkish Capital Ankara asked M.P. Recep Tayyip Erdogan to support the air strikes against Iranian Nuclear and Military Installations especially with uninhibited exchange of secret information. At the present plan the attacks were planned for 2006.

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in 2 weeks doubt it....but It's gonna happen...and remember it's not about who can crush who people......this line that we cross is it.....it's all going down after this....and the globalists know it....it's all going down...and this is not "oh another invasion blah blah blah" this is the turn....economy is gonna fall to shambles...and then the wonderful police state hell.....hell doesn't have to wait anymore........it's already here...

Apologies to all the readers for positing the information twice.

I can't envisage an invasion, its really not the same as Iraq. Saddam was deeply unpopular, Ahmadinejad is very popular. Diplomacy is the only way to solve this. I makes my head hurt how diplomacy falls over in times like this, at what point does it become necessary for a nation to invade another. There really is no excuse. The Russian offer of processing on behalf of Iran is a great answer to the problem. Surely Iran can have Nuclear power as a fuel source.

Mehran, I would like to convey something to you. All human beings are predominantly the same, we westerners acknowledge that our leaders are war mongers and in the case of Bush a bit of a mental case, but it does seem strange that your nation appears (and I mean appears) to support your President Ahmadinejad, who is a pyschotic racist. Iran would not be in the position it is were it not for some amazing statements, not least the "Israel should be wiped off the map" statement.

This is not a "pop" at any race, I'm human and so are you. What this dying planet needs is peoples voices and opinions. Together we, as humans together can achieve anything. Apart, we are just destroying ourselves.

Peace

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The Russian offer of processing on behalf of Iran is a great answer to the problem. Surely Iran can have Nuclear power as a fuel source

Well, Iran certainly doesn't seem to think so; they've now said that that deal's off the cards.

Havnt seen this report. If it has sorry for posting it again, but i thought it was interesting and hence decided to share it will you all.

UNITED STATES-ISRAEL PLANS FOR PRE-EMPTIVE MILITARY STRIKES ON IRAN’S NUCLEAR SITES: An Analytical Survey

By Dr. Subhash Kapila

Introductory Observations

United States-Israel plans for pre-emptive military strikes against Iran 's nuclear sites have been in the air for more than a year now. However these have now acquired a new urgency and its contours are now emerging more clearly.

Earlier reports had indicated that United States Special Forces teams were using Pakistan as a base for covert missions inside Iran . The United States was also flying strategic air-sorties and using dedicated surveillance satellites to monitor Iran ’s nuclear sites.

Israel ’s pre-emptive military strikes against Iraq ’s Osirak reactor in early 1981 is a good indicator that Israel does not sit idle to any emerging nuclear threats to it in the Middle East . Reports indicate that while Israel ’s strike plans against Iran have been on the anvil for months the formal “initial authorization” was given, early this year.

www.saag.org...

Hope this doesnt materialise.....

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I believe war with Iran Is inevitable....how that end is achieved is still a matter of conjecture.Personally i don't think the US will utilise nukes unless they are launched by the enemy first...highly unlikely IMO.The array of conventional weaponry is enough to neutralise any country.The only possible way to strike would be "blitzkreig"...wave after wave of bombers...relentless and continuing for 48-182 hours.The country will have been pounded back to the stone age..all infrastructure gone...then just hem them in and blockade their borders.Let them have the oil...for that is all they will have...living in the middle ages..until a rational leader takes the helm.Lets face it..,only cowards and psycho's would utilise their children as canon fodder...a thing that I can't comprehend...to no avail as the US has many more bulletts than Iran has children.
Be that as it may,the world needs to wake up and put this thing called religion where it belongs...as far away from the instrument of governance as possible and so hopefully only the needs of the people are addressed and not some doctrination that is as outdated as the dinosaur.

Knowledge23,
That was brilliant. Every aspect was analysed in detail resulting in a very coherent war plan.
But my personal belief is that there are going to be broadly three phases to this operation:

Phase 1. Pre-emptive air strike on Iran's air fields and SAM missile sites to render their air force/missiles inoperable and gain complete air supremacy.
This in conjunction with destruction of surface-to-surface missiles sites and their command and control centres to prevent reposte against Israel.

Phase 2. Destroy Iranian nuclear capability from the air, aided by limited covert special ops.

Phase 3. (Over a period of time). To contain Islamist backlash, politically, diplomatically and militarily.

The first two phases will probably end within D+10 hours.
Phase 3, well, not any time soon!

So guys, sit back and watch the biggest fireworks display coming shortly to the battle theatre near you!

OK, seriously, I'd say D-Day would come before the weather gets too hot and dusty. Sandstorms are an impediment. But thats cutting it a bit fine. The warewithal is probably not in place yet. Oct to Feb would be a good time. So you can draw your own conclusions!



[edit on 13-3-2006 by mikesingh]

Iran is a danger not only to Israel but to any non-muslim nation. Iran is a fundamentalist Islamic state that subscribes to the Shiite sect. This all means that:
1- Any polythiest country is viewed as an enemy of Alah since they do not believe in Allah. The Koran is clear on this - Polythiests deserve death! So all of east Asia is an issue with them.
2- Israel, of course has a special place in the heart of Iran. Although I do not think that Iran will attack Israel unless they are sure they can win. Problem is with an Islamic republic you never know if they think Allah will help them and then why not go on a maryrdom rampage.
3- Iran being Islamic in nature means that they do not subscribe to the mentality of the Western world. This means that to western thinking they can do unexpected things.

The problem with Iranian nuclear capability is that they signed the non-proliferation pact. This means that they are obliged not to seek military use of nuclear technology. As a result the US and other countries allow Iranian nationals to learn nuclear tech in their universities. I have met in my university days (early 90s) 2 Iranians of which one was a student named Lotfi B(something) who studied his masters in nuclear physics. The US allowed him to study this because his country signed the pact. In my discussions with him he expressed his Anti-Israel stance to the effect that the only middle-east solution is to have all the Jews leave and impose muslim rule on all Islamic land much like the Ottoman empire.

Mehran,
Chatori! (hello in Persian)
I am utterly shocked at your support of the use of children in war. This is an utter violation of human rights and is a blatant war crime. The Basiji incident which was discussed on page 1 of this thread is utterly disgusting. If ones religions condones the use of children for suicide operations that religion should be outlawed.

This is another example of why a nuclear Iran is a danger. If that is the respect it has for its own children what respect does it have for the civilians of its enemies?

On the lighter side of things I would like to share an experience I had in the Sinai desert 10 years ago. I travelled there with my girlfriend at the time. I noticed at one point an Egyptian Beduin hitting on her. So I sat by them and listened in. He asked her about her heritage so she told him that she was Jewish and her great great grandmother from he mothers side was Turkish. Out of cordiality he asked me about my heritage. I told him my father was born in Iran. He immediately changed his attitude said "oooh Majnun" got up and left. Fellow forum members - Majnun in Arabic is crazy, nut, psycho. I think y'all get my drift!

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Originally posted by ShadowXIX

Originally posted by Mehran

during the war even Iranians that were11- 13 years old were still giving iraqs republic guards a hard time.

Ah the infamous "Basiji" sending thousands of unarmed 11-13 years olds in human wave attacks to get mowed down by Iraqi machine guns with not much more then a little plastic key around their necks they are told is the key to paradise.

They were cannon fodder

These are the tactics of the desperate

Yeah, I saw that on the History Channel. Even as it may be the tactic of the desperate, it sure as hell works. The technique of sending wave after wave of men in order to force the enermy to retreat or run out of bullets was perfected by the Soviets in the war against Germany circa 1941-1943.

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has appealed to the Iranian people - saying he wants to help them have a freer and more prosperous future.

In a speech in London Mr Straw said the Iranian people "deserved better" than their current government.

I think I've heard this before. In some other war that required a popular public opinion. Now that the "freedom of the Iranian people" is coming into play, I'd bet the war is going to start soon.

Originally posted by leejones
2 weeks to the Un, gives no sanctions agents Iran and the us using that as excuses to go to war and the un collapes Update 1: Bush Warns Iran, Syria on Iraq Meddling

Former Israeli General Warns of Pre-Emptive Strike on Iran -
Iran threatens to use oil as weapon
Iran is only months from bomb technology, says Britain
Austrian makes new charge against Iran president-elect

I would make a monetary bet with you on this, but I'm not sure your parents give you a high enough allowance for the kind of bet I'm talking about

Which is: War On Terrorism » 2 weeks to war with Iran, not ATS bookmaking, or how big is your allowance?

Besides, after I take my percentage, it won't matter what his allowance is.

Shakedown Monkeys, not just for betting the spread anymore...

Hi All on this thread,

I dont really understand how this works, I would like to apologise to anyone who thinks that I have written any of the articles on this thread, which I have posted. I have clearly mentioned that these are what I have read on the internet and have shared with those interested in this thread.

I never wanted plagmarism to be a topic raised, however it has, so I have openly come out to clarify.

Apologises to any for the inconvienence if caused and I guess we can carry on with our discussion...

Rgds

I too think that any use of children in war is shocking. The Insurgent 'Freedom Fighters' in Iraq have used them and it's been proven that the US troops have no choice but to fire on the children to avoid ambush.

I also think that any Iran campaign would not last long. Airstrikes and USMC teams would be about it from the USA. OR A large scale invasion, which of course means no one would be spared.

What if Iran used EMP on US or Israel?

I am quite confident China and Russia may interven but what if not, could a EMP be possible? Cant say No to it.

well to those who rule out an early strike I say this, Why on earth would the allies or coalition make a full statement of their intentions, it would scare Iran to use whatever weapons they have and scare them into a pre-emptive strike on Israel. IF a strike will happen I beleive it will be unexpected from the public.

Well, apparently we may have to wait a little longer to see how things pan out. But the bottom line is that there is a crisis and it eventually will come to a boil, regardless of the underlying factors, unless something is done to stop it.


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