Chinas plans to wipe out the USA. Very Scary.

en.wikipedia.org...

American spy plane was caught spying off the coast of China, simple as that. Based on that alone it can be judged who was the aggressor and who the passive reactor.

Meanwhile, US had officially apologised, admitted to the violation of Chinese airspace.

english.people.com.cn...

There you go, debate closed.

[edit on 23-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

This goes to the USA for not seeing China as a possible enemy. China's nuclear missles can reach the US. But our policy is they are not a threat. Unless the US govt, has some alien technology to block the missles from China, then all our politicians should be hanged for treason. I have only read the 1st 2 pages of this thread but it scares me. China is not spending all that money to build their military for nothing. In the past week, I have heard about Chinese military exercises in Latin America. Right now the USA is top dog. All others should be only intersted in becoming top dog. And to do this, they need to knock us off!!! If any part of our Govt. is not trying to stop this, then they are treasonous!!! And should be hanged. While America isn't perfect it is the best that is out there...If not, then why is everyone trying to come here ILLEGALLY???

To be a "top dog", you don't necessarily need to have the best military. Canada also has a far larger illegal alien population than US, does that make it the best country?

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
Meanwhile, US had officially apologised, admitted to the violation of Chinese airspace.

english.people.com.cn...

There you go, debate closed.

Didn't mention any apology in your articel. Yes the EP-3 did violate Chinese airspace to land on Hainan Island only after your reckless pilot rammed the peaceful US plane.
I like how it says in your obviously bias article that the EP-3 bumped into the Chinese fighter, absolute bollocks A fighter is far more manouverable than an EP-3.

rogue1,

While you did bring up the same argument already you never went back to answer me when i challenged you on it

Maybe you can write a "essay" on it
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm not surprised to see China keeping an eye on us, after all we could destroy them. They are just trying not to follow in Japan's footsteps.

Originally posted by chinawhite
rogue1,

While you did bring up the same argument already you never went back to answer me when i challenged you on it

Maybe you can write a "essay" on it
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Urgh, because you said nothing worth responding to. Since you brought it up though, I decided to respond and take apart your post bit by bit - all to easy. You should really check your information or at least educate yourself a bit more on the subject before posting.

Well in that case, get a pair of glasses, take a few English reading classes, click on the link and read again.

The black boxes found on both planes were never revealed, thus no one actually knows who initial the first contact.

However, it is a fact that the "peaceful" US plane was caught spying off the coast of Hainan, and if you are actually literate, the article clearly stated the US Secretary of State Colin Powell :""We do acknowledge that we violated their (China's) airspace, ... And we regret that. We have expressed sorrow for it. And we're sorry that that happened." In national television, CBS and FOX.


[edit on 26-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
Well in that case, get a pair of glasses, take a few English reading classes, click on the link and read again.

The black boxes found on both planes were never revealed, thus no one actually knows who initial the first contact.

Well the Chinese fighters were the ones agressivley flying too close to the EP-3, there is no dispute about that. Therefore CHina's fault.

However, it is a fact that the "peaceful" US plane was caught spying off the coast of Hainan, and if you are actually literate, the article clearly stated the US Secretary of State Colin Powell :""We do acknowledge that we violated their (China's) airspace, ... And we regret that. We have expressed sorrow for it. And we're sorry that that happened." In national television, CBS and FOX.


Yah, they violated CHinese airspace by l;anding on Hainan Island. However I suggest you actually look to see where a countries airspcea ends and international aispace begins. There is actually a 12 nautical limit form any countries coastline. The EP-3 was well outside that when it was aggressively interecepted by CHinese fighters flying dangerously close. The EP-3 flight path was well known and has been used for years by the US.

Here a picture maybe simpler for you to understand.



Case closed, no more needed to be said.



[edit on 26-3-2006 by rogue1]

The picture is lablelled, unclassified? May i ask what is the source?

And why is that US sends planes spying on China? Affraid? Paranoid? Noisy?

I still don't see why you are aruging when your own government has alerady apologized.

CNN Source:
"........United States conveyed (in a letter) to the Chinese people and to the family of pilot Wang Wei that "We are very sorry for their loss." The United States also said, "We are very sorry for the entering of China's airspace and that the landing did not have verbal clearance, but very pleased the crew landed safely. The words "very sorry" were used twice here......"

The phrase and their respectively events, "entering of China's airspace" and "Landing did not have verbal clearence" are seperated in the letter, indicating the American's appology to both the violation of Chinese airspace by the spy plane prior to the emergency landing, and the second continuing violation of Chinese airspace when the plane landed in Hainan island itself.

Conclusively, it was the Americans that appologised and admited to be at fault officially in national television and internationally, not the Chinese. Your further arguing in this matter is pointless.



[edit on 26-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
And why is that US sends planes spying on China? Affraid? Paranoid? Noisy?

LOL, you have to ask the reason China is the US's main rival in the Pacific, the Chinese themselves spy on other Asian countries using ELINT planes.

I still don't see why you are aruging when your own government has alerady apologized.

CNN Source:
"........United States conveyed (in a letter) to the Chinese people and to the family of pilot Wang Wei that "We are very sorry for their loss." The United States also said, "We are very sorry for the entering of China's airspace and that the landing did not have verbal clearance, but very pleased the crew landed safely. The words "very sorry" were used twice here......"

The phrase and their respectively events, "entering of China's airspace" and "Landing did not have verbal clearence" are seperated in the letter, indicating the American's appology to both the violation of Chinese airspace by the spy plane prior to the emergency landing, and the second continuing violation of Chinese airspace when the plane landed in Hainan island itself.

Erm yes, the US plane violated Chinese airpace when they were forced to land after the J-8 had damaged there plane. As you can see from the map, the EP-3 was well outside of Chinese territorial airspace and was in international airspace.

BTW. I'm not American.

Conclusively, it was the Americans that appologised and admited to be at fault officially in national television and internationally, not the Chinese. Your further arguing in this matter is pointless.

Get over yourself. The US apologised to ensure the safe return of the 24 crew members who were under armed guard. The US wanted them returned as soon as possible - that is all.

[edit on 26-3-2006 by rogue1]

Rogue1 I hate you...so this means a lot.

Good call on the Territorial limits of the PRC and the spy plane's location...good call indeed!

Originally posted by kuhl
If this is a true account of the meeting then I hope the U.S. ,CAnadian and Austrailian authorities are taking note of this and drawing up contingencie plans.(Which I'm sure they are and probably already excist).

The NSA should be working overtime on this to justify some of their immense budget.

As for the chinese defence ministers comments on a biological weapom that will not harm "yellow people" I find this very niave and disturbing.Would it really be possible to make a bio weapon that discriminates against colour of skin (pygment). I doubt it.

This speech is from 2005 so hopefully the Governments of the respective countries are reacting to this revalation.

Scientist have worked on ethnic bio-wepons for years I think that is very possible. Since like 1880

I dont know what to make of this one but one thing. nukes have been used before by us meaning America. Im sure there will be a time when someone else or us use them again, and that is the bottom line. nuclear winter could be a reality. America always says there is no such thing as this ot that only to benefit us. Just like we still say global warming isnt real.

Originally posted by rogue1
Urgh, because you said nothing worth responding to. Since you brought it up though, I decided to respond and take apart your post bit by bit - all to easy. You should really check your information or at least educate yourself a bit more on the subject before posting.

Attaking me personally now rogue?

Shows the level of disscussion people have with you. You even have a warning for some offence here.

While i have been studying this subject for a whole two years going though international laws regarding legal status and free flights rights. I suggest you start with the law of the sea 82 UN laws. and international regarding sovernity on both china and taiwan. Plus have seen most incidents of both planes and read both sides of the story

I think the education should be your direction

Well here is about terrtorial overflights

You really have to brush up on what an international border is. The EP-3 was well outside China's airspace

Sea and airspace territorial limits only extend 12 Nautical miles past a country's borders, that's right, that includes China

LoL...YOU might want to bush up on what and where this incidecnt took place. It happened in chinas EEZ. This states that the state is in control of 200 miles adjacent to their land border to develop oil and natural resources etc. But allows the innocent passage of international shiping as long as it does not breach the sovernity of the nation state. The EP-3 was conducting surveillance (also known as spying) on chinas coastal port. that is in breach of article 58.

One other example is chinese overflights and a korean spy shp in japans EEZ
Japan sinks 'North Korea spying ship'

Refers to the location

Yeah in the EEZ?

Originally posted by chinawhite
Well here is about terrtorial overflights

You really have to brush up on what an international border is. The EP-3 was well outside China's airspace

Sea and airspace territorial limits only extend 12 Nautical miles past a country's borders, that's right, that includes China

LoL...YOU might want to bush up on what and where this incidecnt took place. It happened in chinas EEZ. This states that the state is in control of 200 miles adjacent to their land border to develop oil and natural resources etc. But allows the innocent passage of international shiping as long as it does not breach the sovernity of the nation state. The EP-3 was conducting surveillance (also known as spying) on chinas coastal port. that is in breach of article 58.


Yeah in the EEZ?

Seems like a copy and paste of your post on another thread. You are completely wrong as I hvae proved on this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

A countries EEZ does not give them sovereign control of the airspace. The EP-3 was nowhere near a Chinese port, it was over 70 miles from any Chinese land. As I have already shown Chinese airspace only extends 12 miles from their land border.

Rather than sending up fighter planes, my instinct tells me the U.S. is more likely to resume surveillance flights, but start them off a lot further away from the Chinese coastline — 50 or more miles out rather than at the 12-mile boundary. That allows the U.S. to maintain the precedent of surveillance flights and show the Chinese we're still in the neighborhood without sticking them in the eye. If everyone wants to calm the situation down, I think flights will resume this week but well offshore. And over time the flights would then move closer again.

www.time.com...

As you can see international airspace starts ouside teh 12 nm limit, not some mythical 200 miles.

[edit on 27-3-2006 by rogue1]

Yeah....

Air Defense Identification Zone. look that up

Originally posted by chinawhite
Yeah....

Air Defense Identification Zone. look that up

LOl, I know exactly what it is. Once again you seem to hvae no idea, you proclaimed that you knew what an EEZ was before, yet you were completely wrong. Your credibility is shot. Oh well...

.............

Yeah thats why you didn't respond

EDIT:

It happened in chinas EEZ. This states that the state is in control of 200 miles adjacent to their land border to develop oil and natural resources etc. But allows the innocent passage of international shiping as long as it does not breach the sovernity of the nation state.

How is any of that wrong?

[edit on 28-3-2006 by chinawhite]