Chinas plans to wipe out the USA. Very Scary.

I know that there has been quite a bit of talk here on ATS about an impending clash between the US and China.
I just read a transcript of a speech given by Chinas Defense Minister. It is lengthy, and is a good, although extremely scary read.

Link:
www.halturnershow.com...

We must prepare ourselves for two scenarios. If our biological weapons succeed in the surprise attack [on the United States, the Chinese people will be able to keep their losses at a minimum in the fight against the United States. If, however, the attack fails and triggers a nuclear retaliation from the United States, China would perhaps suffer a catastrophe in which more than half of its population would perish. That is why we need to be ready with air defense systems for our big and medium-sized cities. Whatever the case may be, we can only move forward fearlessly for the sake of our Party and state and our nation’s future, regardless of the hardships we have to face and the sacrifices we have to make. The population, even if more than half dies, can be reproduced. But if the Party falls, everything is gone, and forever gone!

From a humanitarian perspective, we should issue a warning to the American people and persuade them to leave America and leave the land they have lived in to the Chinese people. Or at least they should leave half of the United States to be China’s colony, because America was first discovered by the Chinese. But would this work? If this strategy does not work, then there is only one choice left to us. That is, use decisive means to “clean up” America, and reserve America for our use in a moment. Our historical experience has proven that as long as we make it happen, nobody in the world can do anything about us. Furthermore, if the United States as the leader is gone, then other enemies have to surrender to us.

Has anyone else read this? I for one have grave feelings about this. It feels more to me than just some old fashioned "Sabre Rattling". Is there any validity to this? What is the US response? How can this go unheeded?

If this is a true account of the meeting then I hope the U.S. ,CAnadian and Austrailian authorities are taking note of this and drawing up contingencie plans.(Which I'm sure they are and probably already excist).

The NSA should be working overtime on this to justify some of their immense budget.

As for the chinese defence ministers comments on a biological weapom that will not harm "yellow people" I find this very niave and disturbing.Would it really be possible to make a bio weapon that discriminates against colour of skin (pygment). I doubt it.

This speech is from 2005 so hopefully the Governments of the respective countries are reacting to this revalation.

I think there was a rather lengthy thread about this a few months ago on here, and if I remember correctly this guy was fired and label as a crazy ideologue. And I believe the US response was that such comments are irresponsible and nonsense.

Don't worry, from a military standpoint his claims are so obviously unrealistic they're not even worth mentioning.

the message is a tad perplexing
,such as, why does this man of the Party leadership have a nihilistic view??

Originally posted by Macuser


Link:
www.halturnershow.com...

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The (Chinese) population, even if more than half dies, can be reproduced.

But if the Party falls, everything is gone, and forever gone!

this statement seems counter to the accepted thought that the 'Party'
is omnipotent and eternal in the hearts of humanity...

only the 'Party" can forge; Workers+Peasants+Bourgeois+Capitalists
(represented by the 4 smaller stars on the National flag) into the cohesive unit/common program = communist party.

where's the old verve & sway, that the 'Party' will re-constitute itself, even after sending waves of soldiers to battle or even suffering nuclear sneak attack

i wonder whats going on

EDIT-added....oh,!
i guess Westpoint23 explaination came in while i was composing,
thanks....i didn't know that info/factthat he was/is personna-non-grata

[edit on 20-2-2006 by St Udio]

There was a thread on this a while back, and another one before that, the speech is almost certainly fictional.

More scaremongering without a basis in fact.

Its suicide for the US or China to wage war on each other economically wise.

Well then...why is China removing all military personnel from cook, mechanic, and clerical positions? So that they can be moved to "fighting" positions. I'll try to dredge up a link to the article...

Obviously we would do everything to avoid a nuclear event, however if China attacked us either biologically, chemically, or nuclear all bets are off.....1.3billion chinese would be vaporized.

Originally posted by beaburt
Obviously we would do everything to avoid a nuclear event, however if China attacked us either biologically, chemically, or nuclear all bets are off.....1.3billion chinese would be vaporized.

If the US fired their entire stock of nuclear weapons and each hit their targets with perfect accuracy it still wont kill anywhere near 1.3 billion Chinese. If you do not know where to look for the information that suggests as much i can help with that.

Stellar

I made a thread about China definitely being more dangerous than Iran; in it, I cited two cases where Chinese officials threatened to nuke the US.

But, these people will not have it. All you get is, "China's just playing, it's those damn Iranians we gotta get, derp! China's not a threat, deeeh! Duuh, I think we should attack Iran because they want nukes. I don't care if China has plenty of nukes, George. Duuh, George, jihadi nukes that haven't been made yet are more dangerous than Chinese nukes that already exist, George."

Well then...why is China removing all military personnel from cook, mechanic, and clerical positions?

The PLA is a strange organization, a result of communist China's political legacy and Mao's odd social experiments.

The PLA runs stores, restaurants and all sorts of odd sidelines that have nothing to do with being a military force. In the process of modernizing (and also significantly downsizing) their military force, they are slowly shutting these sideline activities down.

The idea that China is preparing their military to take over the planet is absurd. Their forces are barely equipped to invade little Taiwan, let alone the United States.

Mote...

You may have misunderstood. Their military personnel that handle the jobs of cook, mechanic, and secretary within the military will be reassigned to "combat" jobs bolstering their already formidable conventional forces.

Can you provide some documantation for this?

Regardless of how many troops they move from support roles, the PLA is still in no position to attack the United States. They don't have the navy to get their troops across the ocean. They dont have the air force to provide air cover to the navy they don't have. Their ability to wage a military campaign thousands of miles from their own territory is best described as nonexistent. They do have a large merchant fleet that could be used for the logistics aspect of such an operation, unfortunately for them it would all be underwater scrap before it got out of Chinese territorial waters. A Chinese "invasion" of the US any time within the next 25 years is essentially a physical impossibility.

China doesn't represent any kind of military threat to the US proper beyond it's ability to lob nuclear bombs at us. And the US has a lot more of those, too.

Originally posted by tomcat ha
Its suicide for the US or China to wage war on each other economically wise.

I agree with tomcat here.....EVERYTHING the U.S. imports is made in China. You can't buy any goods or wares that doesn't have "Made in China" stamped on it. Heck, everything Walmart sells is made in China! And they are the biggest mass retailer in the U.S. (I think).

Faeryland

Any type of nuclear exchange between any countries on the planet will unleash the four horsemen of the apocalypse, bring on nuclear winter and almost everything on this planet will die; if not from the blast or radiation, starvation. A few may survive to a world of horror where the living will envy the dead.

All this macho swaggering is at best adolescent; and at worst, embracing ignorance in the extreme.

I just hope the aggressive nations on earth realize this; China included.

[edit on 20-2-2006 by whaaa]

Ay exchange between the two countries should be in the diplomatic realm. If it goes beyond that, it will be very messy and massive loss's on both sides to the point where it would make no sense. You can compare it to peeing into the wind. It would be counter intuitive for both sides.

If the US fired their entire stock of nuclear weapons and each hit their targets with perfect accuracy it still wont kill anywhere near 1.3 billion Chinese. If you do not know where to look for the information that suggests as much i can help with that

You sure about that? Perhaps not in the initial blast but how long will these survivors last? What will they eat and drink? Glowing rice and toxic water is not very nutritious I’m told. The amount of radiation that would be released from the entire US arsenal being dropped on one country would irradiate anything alive in that region.

Even thinking that you can survive a full scale nuclear war is ridicules, and that goes both ways.

Originally posted by whaaa
Any type of nuclear exchange between any countries on the planet will unleash the four horsemen of the apocalypse, bring on nuclear winter and almost everything on this planet will die; if not from the blast or radiation, starvation. A few may survive to a world of horror where the living will envy the dead.

Billions will very likely survive all the nuclear weapons in the world being fired. Nuclear winter theories have absolutely not basis in science and i suggest you start looking or ask for the information that would show you as much.

All this macho swaggering is at best adolescent; and at worst, embracing ignorance in the extreme.I just hope the aggressive nations on earth realize this; China included.

I agree with the first part but not with the last. If we want to world war three lets focus on reforming the West and thus prevent World wars for a long time to come.

Stellar

It worked so far for China because China had its own oil. As the Chinese economy keeps growing, the situation will change dramatically: China has already become a net importer of oil, and the price of oil has been increasing. This will create pressure on an economy that basically specializes in cheap goods. At the same time, the huge USA trade deficit that has been supporting Chinese growth is putting pressure on the Chinese currency, which is kept artificially low by the Chinese government. Eventually, the Chinese currency will have to fluctuate and the oil factor will become relevant. Those two factors will push up the cost of manufacturing in China, thus making China a lot less competitive.
Domestic politics. The Chinese economic miracle is mainly the economic miracle of a few eastern metropoles. There has been little tangible benefit for the rest of China, which in fact is living in horrible conditions (high pollution, inadequate health care, massive displacement of people to harness energy, rising unemployment). These were precisely the conditions of Qing China that led to Sun Yatsen's revolution one century ago.

You and I both know the downside of a fullscale nuclear exchange between the worlds current preeminent powers, however the leaders of the Chinese communist party may not. Remember that the old guard, who still has a hold on the power in China, are essentially uneducated farmboys, hicks from the sticks if you will. War to them is still fighting the japanese in the hills and villiages of the rural farmlands, or the Americans in the frozen mountains of Korea. The mindset is still the 1950's, post-revolutionary period. The heart says we can beat the imperialist west, while ignoring what the mind tries to tell them.

Fortunately, for all concerned, the old guard is an endangered speices in China. The younger, more educated up and comers, know that a nuclear exchange is, to say the least, counterproductive. Glowing rice, and bad water, as someone so eloquently put it. But, the young ones are in their own way just as dangerous as any of the old guard, because they know the rules the west plays by, and how to break them, but not so blatently as to instigate an all out trade war the which of they would lose.

This is of course only my opinion, and should be taken as such. People a whole lot smarter than I have tried to read China and failed. Engima.