Chinas plans to wipe out the USA. Very Scary.

Originally posted by Faeryland
I agree with tomcat here.....EVERYTHING the U.S. imports is made in China. You can't buy any goods or wares that doesn't have "Made in China" stamped on it. Heck, everything Walmart sells is made in China! And they are the biggest mass retailer in the U.S. (I think).

Faeryland

Japan was doing the same with the U.S. before WWII, yet Japan did attack the U.S.

People have to remember that even in WWII there were many different countries fighting against the alliance. Whenever China does the decide to attack the U.S. and it's allies, who in here thinks that China will attack alone?...

That's not true, Japan and America did not establish strong trading relationships until after 1945, when American occupation in the country was set up. Even then, main Japanese imports into US were, of course, automobiles, but by no means were they dominating the US imports market like China is doing now.

US was only attacked because of its blockade of oil supplies into Japan. Japan was at war with China, and oil was desperately needed. Japan then decided to strike first at Pearl Harbour hoping it can obliterate most of the American Pacific fleet.

However China isnt at war with any country, and US isn't limiting any vital imports into China (although factually US imports nothing critical to China).

[edit on 20-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

In September 1944, James S. Martin, Chief of the Economic Warfare Section of the War Division of the Justice Department, testified, "in the decade before Pearl Harbor, a constant stream of information flowed to Japan as a result of Japanese Commercial transactions with American firms--technical information and economic data of the utmost importance to Japan's armed forces." Industries most involved included oil, aircraft, machine tools, and electronics.15 Kilgore pointed out that this occurred while American citizens were not even permitted to land on islands mandated to Japan by the League of Nations to determine whether or not they were being fortified.16

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www.wvculture.org...

Meanwhile Japan did not have the same economic transactions that China has now with the U.S., we have all heard and seen direclty from Chinese officials how they regard the U.S. They can always get other countries to sell their cheap items to.

How well does China regards the economic wellbeing of the U.S?.... China has threaten to nuke parts of the U.S., they have threatened to get rid of U.S. dollars, etc, etc.

China is doing what Japan did but in a larger scale, the modernization of China's military is due in great part because of the stealing and buying frenzie of U.S. secrets as they deal with military technology.

You also have to remember that in China, the CCP owns everything, all those cheap items people buy at Walmart come directly from the CCP. Who in here thinks the CCP cares about the U.S.?



[edit on 20-3-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
Meanwhile Japan did not have the same economic transactions that China has now with the U.S., we have all heard and seen directly from Chinese officials how they regard the U.S. They can always get other countries to sell their cheap items to.

How well does China regards the economic well being of the U.S?.... China has threaten to nuke parts of the U.S., they have threatened to get rid of U.S. dollars, etc, etc.

What China does is allow some mid-level bureaucrat to make statements which are not official policy. This is mainly to remind the US that the Chinese have some power themselves these days. However the threats are entirely empty. China cannot act without hurting herself.

If China nuked the US then China would be destroyed. If China devalued the US dollar, then their exports would suffer immensely resulting in an economic recession in the Chinese economy - simple economics. Also, US companies own a sizable portion of the Chinese means of production.

You also have to remember that in China, the CCP owns everything, all those cheap items people buy at Walmart come directly from the CCP. Who in here thinks the CCP cares about the U.S.?

ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Most businesses in China are privately owned. I do business in China and meet with factory owners all the time.



[edit on 20-3-2006 by rogue1]

I live in China, and CCP doesn't own everything. Trust me on this.

Dude, most public sector cooperations were privatised since the 1980s, the government now act as shareholders. CCP only has control on the economics policies of the direction China is facing to some extent. Current day China has a capitalist economy more than anything.

And i have never actually heard of my own country threatening to nuke US. Where the heck did you get these stuff? What are you going to claim next? China government limits to what sexual positions we are allowed to do in our bedrooms? Or what flavour condoms we are compulsory to buy?

What you just talked about are at least 30 years out of date, care to take a trip on the time machine and come back to the year 2006, pal?

I just seriously cant believe how little people actually know about China and the way we Chinese live here, but THINK they know everything about it. Why don't you start reading newspapers, watch the news and actually do some research. Or better yet, come visit and see China for yourself. And no, we don't live in bamboo huts no more, we just upgraded to using mud, and we don't cook foreign tourists for food anymore as well, we now had enough grass so we chew on those instead.



[edit on 20-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
I live in China, and CCP doesn't own everything. Trust me on this.



[edit on 20-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

Welcome to ATS, after a while you will realize most people are just fear mongering and are very pesimistic.

They will say and type anything if they can get away with it. Thanks for setting the record straight.



P.S. sorry about the horrible spelling, my spell checker isn't working.

I live in China, and CCP doesn't own everything. Trust me on this.

Dude, most public sector cooperations were privatised since the 1980s, the government now act as shareholders. CCP only has control on the economics policies of the direction China is facing to some extent. Current day China has a capitalist economy more than anything.

Wow, you live in China. I respect that! A simple question for you, what is the true temperature of the Chinese feeling for the USA? Is it as bad as we are led to believe? I would truly value your insights!

Originally posted by Macuser
Wow, you live in China. I respect that! A simple question for you, what is the true temperature of the Chinese feeling for the USA? Is it as bad as we are led to believe? I would truly value your insights!

At least the Chinese aren't ignorant of America.
Half the "arguments" against China you guys spew out are completely false. I mean... Come on. How can people say stuff like the CCP own everything when China's businesses are 80% + privately owned. Honestly, how do people even bother arguing AGAINST China without ANY knowledge WHATSOEVER of China.



[edit on 21-3-2006 by k4rupt]

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
I live in China, and CCP doesn't own everything. Trust me on this.

[edit on 20-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

Welcome to ATS EUF. I hope your stay here is as long and adventurous as mine has been.

I believe it's true that many in the western world still have a strong bias against China and many misunderstandings. I hope you will help all the members of ATS to come to a better understanding of your homeland.

Wupy

Most Chinese have a neutral stance towards US, since the majority benefits from the current trading relationship between the two.

But keep in mind the CCP China and US do have a rather tense and hostile history, and now US is subtly supporting Japan and Taiwan through th sells of arms, usually it only takes a small spark for the Chinese masses to go on Anti-US demonstrations and protests, such as the event a few years ago when a US reconnaise plane crashed with a Chinese MiG inside Chinese territorial sea and killed the pilot.

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
I live in China, and CCP doesn't own everything. Trust me on this.

[edit on 20-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

Lying, and you have really exposed your status as the CCP's net spy!

In China, so-called ownership of people is actaully the ownership of CCP.

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
such as the event a few years ago when a US reconnaise plane crashed with a Chinese MiG inside Chinese territorial sea and killed the pilot.

The CHinese pilot crashed into the EP-3 by purposely flying too close. They even had footage of him on previous missions holding up a piece of paper with his email on it. I believe the Americans call this type of pilot a ' hot dog ' .
The EP-3 was also in International waters 110km south of Hainan Island. There is no need for one of these aircraft to penetrate Chinese airspace, they can get all the information they need from outside it.

I don't think its outside the parameters of reason to beleive that the Chinese ordered the pilot to force the EP-3 down.
Of course Chinese state propaganda will declare otherwise...

I was studying in toronto when it happened and that's what the news told me, i really don't think the english news i watched in toronto is ccp propaganda don't u think?

How ignorant can you get? My mother owns a trading company in Hanoi, China herself exchanging raw materials from China to Canada, Brazil and Vietnam as well as vice versa. And i am quite sure CCP doesn't actually own anything in the firm pr control any say as to who and how we can do business with.

And i am also quite certain to the fact that we keep all our profits in our pockets, none goes to the CPP, unless you count tax.

PS: Why would China need a net spy in ATS anyways...China has much better use of her spies than sending one in an online discussion forums attemping to spread Chinese propaganda and convert the posters into pro-Chinese

[edit on 22-3-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

The CHinese pilot crashed into the EP-3 by purposely flying too close. They even had footage of him on previous missions holding up a piece of paper with his email on it. I believe the Americans call this type of pilot a ' hot dog ' .
The EP-3 was also in International waters 110km south of Hainan Island. There is no need for one of these aircraft to penetrate Chinese airspace, they can get all the information they need from outside it.

Wow and how do you know this for sure? Care to show some proof? Or is this just an assumption. PLEASE do not post BS in here unless you have proof to actually back it up.

You are right, there isn o need for one of those aircraft to penetrate Chinese airspace, yet it did and it let to the death of a Chinese pilot.

Originally posted by Oct

Lying, and you have really exposed your status as the CCP's net spy!

In China, so-called ownership of people is actaully the ownership of CCP.

Please tell me this is a joke.


Earth, there is no need to even respond to this guy... You know what the sad thing is though? Many people in the U.S. actually believe stuff like this.




[edit on 22-3-2006 by k4rupt]

Thank you EUF, these consperacies go rampant sometimes. Your comments about Capitolism hit the nail on the head. The US currently has a large number of corperate interest in China and China has a large investment in the US in the form of loans. It would do little benifit for China to take any physical actions on US soil and jepordize interests in the global economy. You don't blow up the bank where you keep you assets, you won't get them back. Activating military units or even launching missles would take away from the momentum of the economy that happens to be seeing the largest growth in the world.
If we have to worry about anything in the US, it's who we put in charge of the highest offices in these next rounds of elections in 2006 and 2008. These last 8 years have seen some of the worst decisions made in history and this includes politions with both Ds and Rs behind their names. We have to become a more active global partner if we are to get back on track. Please don't confuse global markets with NWO consperacies as we are all independant in rule just connected by the products and services we consume.

Originally posted by k4rupt
Wow and how do you know this for sure? Care to show some proof? Or is this just an assumption. PLEASE do not post BS in here unless you have proof to actually back it up.

You are an angry man, maybe because you came off second best last time you tried to attack em.
The US had footage of Wang Wei flying dangerously close to the EP-3 on previous mission, he even held up his email on a piece of paper, it was all ove rhte news the footage. The Chinese pilot endangered both crews by flying so close, simply fact. In case you didn't realise a fighter is far more manouverable than an EP-3.

You are right, there isn o need for one of those aircraft to penetrate Chinese airspace, yet it did and it let to the death of a Chinese pilot.

Erm it was in international airspace, whose the one full of BS. Do some reading you idiot before spouting off.

Originally posted by rogue1


You are an angry man, maybe because you came off second best last time you tried to attack em.
The US had footage of Wang Wei flying dangerously close to the EP-3 on previous mission, he even held up his email on a piece of paper, it was all ove rhte news the footage. The Chinese pilot endangered both crews by flying so close, simply fact. In case you didn't realise a fighter is far more manouverable than an EP-3.

Are you kiddin me? Is that your proof that he DID NOT die?
You made some bs statement that it was all "staged" and that the pilot did not actually die and I asked you where was the proof and you present me with this statement?
Great way to evade my argument.



Erm it was in international airspace, whose the one full of BS. Do some reading you idiot before spouting off.

I apologize, the Navy plane was HEADING toward Chinese airspace.

Let me ask you rogue1, how do you think the U.S. would respond if a Chinese aircraft was heading towards American airspace?



[edit on 23-3-2006 by k4rupt]

Originally posted by k4rupt
Are you kiddin me? Is that your proof that he DID NOT die?

You made some bs statement that it was all "staged" and that the pilot did not actually die and I asked you where was the proof and you present me with this statement?
Great way to evade my argument.

Erm, what are yout alking about. I never said that On previous occassions Wang Wei had buzzed dangerously close to EP-3's or other US reconnaisance aircraft.
He was a bad pilot, simple as that, a hot dog.

I apologize, the Navy plane was HEADING toward Chinese airspace.
Let me ask you rogue1, how do you think the U.S. would respond if a Chinese aircraft was heading towards American airspace?

Same as they used to handle Soviet aircraft, escort it. Not go around hot dogging. Not a single Soviet aircraft was crashed into.




[edit on 23-3-2006 by rogue1]