ATS: Iranian President Attempting to Start Armaggedon?

infinite....your link wasnt set up correctly, so i fixed it... here it is.

edit....i just watched the full video...very nice find infinite. hard to believe that this is a cnn report considering the story, but its very well done.

[edit on 16-1-2006 by snafu7700]

Watching that video is a bit frightening.

Anytime religion and politics collide we are in for a nasty period in history. Now we have a devout Christian president that believes we are in the end times facing off against a devout Muslim who believes the same.

Both religions approach the end times in a similar way.

The difference is the radicalism of the beliefs. I do not believe Bush will try to herald the return of Jesus. The bible says it will come as a thief in the night. I am concerned though that the Iranian president does feel he can help move the process along.

In the end it appears there will be a great battle in the valley of Armageddon, between Iran and Israel. The question is what role will the US play? And how long do we really have?

Well, keep participating in the frenzy if you like, but remember that G.W. Bush says he's a born-again christian, god is talking to him, etc. - essentially the same irrational BS that Ahmadinejad is accused of. I wonder why it's suddenly such an issue when it comes from Teheran instead of Washington - shouldn't it be the other way round?

Democratic President: "God is talking to me!" - OK, well, whatever.
Theocratic President: "God is talking to me!"* - WHAT? ARE YOU CRAZY? OMG WE NEED TO STOP HIM!

Hilarious.

* just paraphrasing, I know he didn't say exactly that, but it definitely fits the same mold.

[edit on 16-1-2006 by Lumos]

Originally posted by nativeokie
The difference is the radicalism of the beliefs. I do not believe Bush will try to herald the return of Jesus. ... I am concerned though that the Iranian president does feel he can help move the process along.

This is such an excellent point that I wish all the Bush-bashers around the world would pay attention. Perhaps Bush was over zealous with Iraq, but it now appears we are all facing "the real deal" as far as threats to the world peace go with this seemingly insane iraninan islamofascist.

In my opinion, time for all of us to quit taking shots at each other and turn to face this new and very real threat as one.

This is not an excellent point, it's a weak one.

What reason is there to believe such statements coming out of Iran were alarming while the same religious conjecture out of Washington DC was just "over-zealous"? Who of the two was waging offensive wars commandeered by their religious zealots last time you checked?



[edit on 16-1-2006 by Lumos]

Originally posted by Lumos
... but remember that G.W. Bush says he's a born-again christian, god is talking to him, etc. - essentially the same irrational BS that Ahmadinejad is accused of. I wonder why it's suddenly such an issue when it comes from Teheran instead of Washington?

Also remember that Bush is essentially a RINO - Republican In Name Only. In a lot of ways Bush acts more lile a (classic) democrat than JFK did. Most, if not all of that religious stuff he's said is to help keep the conservative right on board with him. The difference is that in the U.S., even if Bush did proclaim the 2nd coming of Christ, not many would believe or act upon that statement. Bush would probably be removed from office for being a nut case. In fact, the Bush-bashers should be praying for this to happen. Seems to be a much different story in iran, where a lot of people seem to be swallowing the garbage their president spews out. And the rest of the world is reacting very slowly.

I think both could be said to be commanding forces in the war on terror. Major difference is that no one in the U.S. government or military really thinks they are fighting for religious reasons. I think that pretty much refutes your statements.

[edit on 1/16/2006 by centurion1211]

Whatever your "beliefs" are, apart from unsubstantiated conjecture Ahmadinejad didn't proclaim the return of the Mahdi, and my point still stands:

Lumos What reason is there to believe such statements coming out of Iran were alarming while the same religious conjecture out of Washington DC was just "over-zealous"? Who of the two was waging offensive wars commandeered by their religious zealots last time you checked?

Why is religious hogwash much more alarming when it comes from the president of Iran, a theocracy, than coming from the president of the US, a secular democracy?

centurion1211 Seems to be a much different story in iran, where a lot of people seem to be swallowing the garbage their president spews out.

How's that different from the US?

centurion1211 Major difference is that no one in the U.S. government or military really thinks they are fighting for religious reasons. I think that pretty much refutes your statements.

What evidence is there to believe the Iranians (upper echelon) are really fighting for religious reasons? I think you pretty much refuted nothing at all.


[edit on 16-1-2006 by Lumos]

Originally posted by Lumos

Why is religious hogwash much more alarming when it comes from the president of Iran, a theocracy, than coming from the president of the US, a secular democracy?

because fundamental christians (if bush really is one, and not just catering to them) dont believe that they can expedite the final battle, but simply that christ will return "like a thief in the night." followers of the hidden imam do believe that they can bring their messiah back sooner by their own actions, and the iranian president is a member of this sect. that is the major difference and the scary part for me.

What evidence is there to believe the Iranians (upper echelon) are really fighting for religious reasons? I think you pretty much refuted nothing at all.

[edit on 16-1-2006 by Lumos]

if you read the article or watch the video, the first thing this guy did upon taking office was give £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, proving his belief in this particular sect, which again, believes that they can expedite the coming of their messiah by their own actions on earth. it just doesnt get any scarier than having a world leader who believes in this way trying to get his hands on nuclear weapons.

Can't you see that apart from circumstantial conjecture, there's just no case here? Did Ahmadinejad grant funds to other religious institutions? Did he unambiguously express his belief in the acceleration of the return of the Mahdi? Could I claim he's just catering to the radicals in his country with his (alleged) remarks?

See?

[edit on 16-1-2006 by Lumos]

just been watching itv news about un.

from what i gather china gets alot of oil from iran..................


not keen on takeing on any action..

Originally posted by Lumos
Could I claim he's just catering to the radicals in his country with his (alleged) remarks?

you might have had a decent argument up until the point you said his "alleged remarks." everything he has said is well documented:

israel should be moved to europe

iran's president calls for israel's destruction

an islamic world and death to all jews

iran's president says holocaust didnt happen

cough cough

Iranian Press Service

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world"

Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani

Definitely a peaceful lot.

Wow, what a cop-out. Is Ahmadinejad's alleged conviction concerning accelerated return of the Mahdi documented somewhere? If not, "alleged" was a perfectly legit thing to say.

So, what about the questions I raised? Forgot about those?

[edit on 16-1-2006 by Lumos]

thankyou nerdling, nice find.

for those of you who believe that Ahmadinejad is only a puppet, read nerdlings post quoting the ayattollah.

edited for spelling

[edit on 16-1-2006 by snafu7700]

Originally posted by Lumos
Wow, what a cop-out. Is Ahmadinejad's alleged conviction concerning accelerated return of the Mahdi documented somewhere? If not, "alleged" was a perfectly legit thing to say.

what a cop out is right....you were referring to all of his remarks, at least that is the way you made it sound. if you were only referring to his devotion to the hidden imam, then you needed to clarify that fact.

Originally posted by Lumos
Can't you see that apart from circumstantial conjecture, there's just no case here?

cant you see that when you round up all of the "circumstantial evidence" and put it together (and there is quite a bit from him), it ceases to be circumstantial and becomes evidence? read the links i provided to you and then read nerdlings post.

Did Ahmadinejad grant funds to other religious institutions?

not ten millions worth. that was by far his most generous gift...not to mention his very first, leading one to believe it holds a special place in his heart.

Did he unambiguously express his belief in the acceleration of the return of the Mahdi?

of course not....at least not yet. the fact that he is a member of this sect is enough, since that is the belief expressed by this particular sect.

Could I claim he's just catering to the radicals in his country with his (alleged) remarks?

you could, but i can also claim (and the evidence supports it) that he is a true believer and his comments prove that he is a danger to the rest of the world.

snafu7700 not ten millions worth. that was by far his most generous gift

Source please. And I'd still like an answer to my questions several posts above.

Originally posted by Lumos

Source please. And I'd still like an answer to my questions several posts above.

oh for crying out loud. the source is the original story along with the video supplied by infinite. if you think that he made contributions to other sects that are greater than what was reported, then the burden of proof is on you.

as far as the questions go, i answered all of them in the post you referred to twice. if you have more, then quit jerking everyone's chain and just ask them.

So...the Iranian president is crazy? Maybe we should send Iran an condolance card saying we know just how you feel, we have the same problem here. Just what we need two swaggering macho end-of-timers trying to see who the bigger idiot is.

Iran really wants some attention right now i believe something is definitely fishy. It might be a ploy to get certain people focused on Iran and not somewhere else if you get my drift. I'd keep my eyes on the east. Fine tuning their military with nothing to do. ?? Scary...

I wouldn't normally say this (well I might, but that's not the point) but this guy needs to be shot. Quickly. Or even lay waste to anything and everything that could help him. This man is dangerous and needs to be put down.

I hope he meets his maker sooner than he wants.