AboveTopSecret.com is a Government COINTELPRO Disinformation Operation

reply to post by OmegaLogos

This lessens the number of mods in the claimed shill factory ... and increases the amount of linkages they must make to just to equal the amount of accidental linkages and thats a lot of work for what reasons?

My point was that the NSA is monitoring the site and probably is posting here with fake profiles.

What does this have to do with mods?

Did I accuse any mods, or ATS as whole of this?

Since the NSA website is public and NSA agents most likely use another avenue to communicate that is far less public and far more secure. And it could be that NSA itself and not TAN or the ATS mods is increasing traffic flow between the two websites for underhanded purposes. And beyond ATS and NSA .. it could be ATS competitors who aren trying to sway and pervert the true state of affairs by increasing traffic between the two websites.

These are all less likely assumptions that ignore the nature of NSA/nsa.gov, which appears next to ATS based on traffic.

From my personal nearly everyday experience since I joined up ... there has been a low tide of 200 members online at any one time and a high tide of 600 to 700 members ... and the tides are a daily and weekly occurances. I shall use a base guestimate of 400 members online all the time and 5 x that number in unregistered guests = 2000 guests = 2400 people [on average] veiwing ATS everyday for a total of 32million seconds per yr approximately. Now since it only takes 1 second to click on a link, that is 76,800,000,000 opportunities every yr for the membership base and guests to generate traffic between the 2 websites. Lets say 1% of that is purely accidental linkages between the 2 websites, that = 768,000,000 possible accidenatl links per yr. Say there was exactly 100 mods/admin/amigos etc. ... each one of them would have to personally link 7,680,000 times each to just equal the flow of traffic generated by accident.

This is all completely irrelevant. As pointed out several times before, other organisations that are linked and discussed here much more often, don't have their sites appearing next to ATS, so the traffic must be coming from nsa.gov itself for it to appear there.

Do you see now how impractical it would be for ATS staff to even consider doing it

Even if I did accuse ATS staff of anything, your comment doesn't mean anything.

Personal Disclosure: So ... you need to bring me the full data set and how that data was collected and how that data was collated.

It has been posted several times, I just posted it to you.

You need to prove that the internet map does not show what it claims to show, based on what it claims to have been based on.

If you claims had any value they would clearly affect the number of members joining ATS regularly and would also affect ad revenue ... neither of which is being affected negetively very much at all by your posts revelations.

This hogwash again, I just explained to you why, giving several reasons.

These claims are here for two days now, so for your theory to work, you must've based it on the ATS registering data and ad revenue of the last two days, and then you'd still have to assume every new member read my specific posts.

It is a prepostrous notion. Even then it would never be an indicator of the value and truth of my posts.

Also, how are you aware of the statistics of ATS ad revenue. I didn't know this was shared with members.

Care to disclose why you even care about this issue?

If I have to explain why this is an issue, then you are seriously messed up.

And isn't an issue something to care about by definition? You agree there is an issue then?

reply to post by Serfbuster

It has been posted several times, I just posted it to you.

You need to prove that the internet map does not show what it claims to show, based on what it claims to have been based on.

Forgive my ignorance, what page of the thread has this material.
The map and the data used to create the map.

Thanks.

reply to post by atlasastro


The previous page for instance.

And here's the link to the intenet map about page,

internet-map.net...

Originally posted by Serfbuster
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

No on topic response?

I guess that is your admission of guilt.

I am sure that if your accusations are true I will be banned soon.

Is that all you can muster?

So it IS you....

Nope...not all I can muster....you just aren't worth responding to anymore. If you can't see where you are wrong then it is like arguing with a religious zealot or a bible "literalist"....there is no other view than your own.

I explained everything in the posts I have already made, as have many others.

Nice name by the way....kind of poetic I guess....

reply to post by OmegaLogos


So based on your explanations, I can only conclude that you agree that the postion of nsa.gov, next to ATS, is in fact based on traffic between them, only you have a different explanation of how this traffic originates and what it consists of.

So you must agree that Skeptic's explanation that it is all based on semantic content similarites, is not correct.

Right?

reply to post by Serfbuster


Thanks.

Interesting.

I was wondering what you believe the connection is between NSA.gov and Handbagheaven is?

I am guessing that is your point, that traffic between certain sites represents a certain significance?

Would that be a fair assumption?

My question is, why isn't youtube right next to ATS.
The amount of links between those two sites must significant to ATS given the amount of material linked.
internet-map.net...-160.31573681707687-118.76629146330352

Logically speaking, that would have to be the most linked site on ATS?

So, this begs me to wonder, how the hell does this mapping really work?

Makes you wonder, no?

reply to post by Vasa Croe

So it IS you....

And don't know why you got to that conclusion based on my reply.

You could only say that based on my comment if I got banned. You seem to have a problem with the usage of logic.

Ask staff to trace my IP if you want proof. As far as I can tell, banned guy and me are continents apart.

Nope...not all I can muster....you just aren't worth responding to anymore. If you can't see where you are wrong then it is like arguing with a religious zealot or a bible "literalist"....there is no other view than your own. I explained everything in the posts I have already made, as have many others.

I proved that you were lying about that "Let's not forget" post. No way to credibly deny that.

I proved that this statement of yours is false,

f you can't grasp the fact that there is not a connection between the two sites except for SEO type data, which is stated as coming from Alexa which again is far from perfect then I am not sure I ever could explain it to you in a manner in which you will see.

There is no mention of SEo, or search engines whatsoever, and the only data from alexa is the indivudual site's current statistic, that is shown when you click on the balloon, it has nothing to do with how the internet map works.

The map of the Internet is a photo shot of the global network as of end of 2011 (however, baloons show actual statistics from Alexa).

Can't deny that either.

If you are going to cite a site as being a source for your claim yet not use the site's own creator, stating how the site works, as a source then how do you expect anyone to believe you know better than the programmer that actually created it?

From the same guy,

The Internet map is a bi-dimensional presentation of links between websites on the Internet. Every site is a circle on the map, and its size is determined by website traffic, the larger the amount of traffic, the bigger the circle. USERS SWITCHING between websites forms links, and the stronger the link, the closer the websites tend to arrange themselves to each other. Also, an analogy can be drawn from quantum physics. In this case, a website is a physical body with a finite mass, a single user is the mass quantum – the much-spoken-about, yet-to-be-found Higgs’ boson, whereas the act of USER'S SWITCHING between sites is the gravitational quantum – the graviton, another hypothetical particle. The map of the Internet is a photo shot of the global network as of end of 2011 (however, baloons show actual statistics from Alexa). It encompasses over 350 thousand websites from 196 countries and all domain zones. Information about more than 2 million LINKS between the websites has joined some of them together into topical clusters.

Can't deny that either.

So at what point were you speaking the truth?

Cool thing about cointelpro

You don't have to be a willing participant in psyops disinfo because its run by a unit of energy called a MEME.

reply to post by Serfbuster


My 6 year old could connect the dots that you an OmniPotential are the same.

Trace your IP? Why? No point if you are using something like TOR. Paranoid types do a lot....because the government is out to get you since you have uncovered the big "LINK" between NSA and ATS. Way to go! Here's a cookie (web browser style).

As I said before....it is like arguing with a religious zealot. Why don't you email the creator of the Internet Map and ask him directly how it works and post the email reply with headers and all on this thread?

Your argument uses too many unconfirmed "facts" to be taken seriously and the data with which you base your argument on is incomplete and skewed. If anyone were to treat your argument as actual fact based science it would be ridiculed.

Originally posted by Serfbuster
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

So it IS you....

And don't know why you got to that conclusion based on my reply.

You could only say that based on my comment if I got banned. You seem to have a problem with the usage of logic.

Ask staff to trace my IP if you want proof. As far as I can tell, banned guy and me are continents apart.

And I do wonder how you can tell that you and "banned guy" are continents apart. Could it be that you are hiding your IP and can see where it is showing as coming from now? There would be no possible way for you to know where "banned guy" was located unless you ARE "banned guy"

If you have this capability then please tell me what my IP is.

reply to post by Serfbuster

Information about more than 2 million LINKS between the websites has joined some of them together into topical clusters.

Just wondering if the links between the sites was then run like SRC's so that the locations are topical and not purely link driven.

Interesting to consider.

reply to post by atlasastro

One thing that was left out from the about section from the internet map page is this:

Importantly, clusters on the map are semantically charged, i.e. they join websites together according to their content. For example, a vast porno cluster can be seen between Brazil and Japan as well as a host of minor clusters uniting websites of the same field or similar purposes.

That explanation speaks to what SO tried to convey a few pages back. The sites are clustered together not only because there are so many links out to nsa.gov, but also because of simliar content.

I'm personally still trying to figure out the link to benefit cosmetics uk.

I remember reading this last year, about anonymous exposing ATS or something.

I'll post it.

It seems people really have a bee in their bonnet about ATS huh?

www.davidicke.com...


I'm obviously not a proponent of these ideas, but seeing as the title of the thread is about this, I thought I'd share.

reply to post by prevenge


AWESOME! Seriously, when you have hit the point where you think the conspiracy theory website is actually a conspiracy, it's time to take a break and return to reality land for a little while.

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
reply to post by prevenge

 

AWESOME! Seriously, when you have hit the point where you think the conspiracy theory website is actually a conspiracy, it's time to take a break and return to reality land for a little while.

er.. i think you took my point completely in reverse.

reply to post by blupblup


Nice

Good O P s&f, sure wont learn much but you never know who will show up

reply to post by SkepticOverlord



I don't know if the government is in control but there does seem to be a HIGH level of tolerance for little childish behavior such as putting down other's conspiracy theories. At the same time the OPS are very much against somebody defending themsleves or taking control of threads from these little buggers. Look, if you act like a conspiracy friendly forum, you need to allow people to exchange ideas without somebody putting you down.

It's like this. If you don't like my conspiracy, why don't you stop reading it? It is not my place to put down your theories or experiences so why is it yours? This place REEKS of setup.

Is the entire site run by J-s?

reply to post by Unferth


Or you could simply review the terms and conditions and understand the way things work. Of course it is much easier to scream "disinfo" I suppose.