AboveTopSecret.com is a Government COINTELPRO Disinformation Operation

reply to post by Hefficide

Oh, and GLP is as close to the NSA site as ATS is. That must imply that we're also the same folks who moderate that site as well - just with different, false identities.

It implies that the NSA is interested in the two main conspiracy sites.

Again, I wasn't talking about you or the rest of the staff, I think I have made clear what my question is, yet you seem to insist that I am implicating you and the staff.

I just asked a question.

reply to post by woogleuk

Given the nature of some of the discussions on ATS, and that a couple of members in the past have been involved in serious crimes (not ATS fault, the site is open to the public after all), would it not be fair to say that the NSA might be monitoring the site in some way? Anyone on the NSA domain visiting the site would be creating traffic which would be getting mapped by the mapping software right? I would imagine a lot of traffic being generated if all threads were being monitored, or even keywords........

That is the very least that is happening here.

It might not be very surprising that this happens but at least there is a piece of evidence that shows that it happens.

I suspect that they do more than only reading here.

Originally posted by OmniPotential
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Oh, and GLP is as close to the NSA site as ATS is. That must imply that we're also the same folks who moderate that site as well - just with different, false identities.

It implies that the NSA is interested in the two main conspiracy sites.

Again, I wasn't talking about you or the rest of the staff, I think I have made clear what my question is, yet you seem to insist that I am implicating you and the staff.

I just asked a question.

Mr. Potential,

Say you've proven your point, that the NSA likes to read interesting threads and maybe take a few notes of where the crazy floats towards. So? They have as much right as you do to both read and post on the internet. The internet is a wonderful thing, and people years ago never even imagined such a communication device. I will take your premise as fact, even though it likely isn't, that the biggest user of ATS is the NSA. Well then, you know what? Depending on their interest areas, they are either getting a very good education, and they are stretching the envelope of their consciousness, and maybe a few of them are adding some stuff in that they want people with some intelligence to know about.

Now, with your potential and your ability to keep asking a question until everyone answers it, why don't you write up a few threads that share the knowledge you know. Sharing it with the people here, sharing it with the NSA, sharing it with anyone who is interested in both learning and discussing. The NSA, or the Illuminati, or anyone you consider "the bad guy" are just people, with lives and interests and probably lots of them were watching the Super Bowl yesterday. If you are an American, they are your countrymen, and are sworn to uphold the constitution. If you are from some other place, they are just Americans interested in the thoughts of other Americans. And you know what most of them are probably talking about? That Mars thing that looks like a lizard but is likely a rock - and either way it's a very interesting looking thing. We share the world when we play on the internet, we share it with our fellow human beings. I, for one, would like to see what other interests you have, and how it can help educate all of us.

Damn, my shift is almost over, gotta sign off and meet some generals for dinner. Good to meet you.

I think that by far, what the op posted is my favorite of all. Sides if we are part of the government why have I not gotten paid?

reply to post by sdcigarpig


They're behind on their payments because of the debt crisis. You should have your check in a few weeks.

I guess the cat is out of the bag...

I'm a Govmt employee, I won't say which one, lets just say we use 3 letters

So now what... something else to complain about ?

Originally posted by OmniPotential
I am just asking it based on evidence, the Internet Map

Clearly you're not grasping the nature of the so-called "Internet map" which identifies its methodology as based on semantics (click the about link). From a semantic point of view, there's much in common with the text on the very-large ATS "bubble" and the much smaller NSA bubble. But even more in common with the much larger (than NSA) bubble of Cancer.org which is also near ATS.

Please, get damn grip. It's not about traffic, it's about semantic relationships.

Originally posted by endats01
I can see that ATS is located in the Infomart off of Stemmons freeway.

WHAT?

A simple traceroute places all our servers with SoftLayer. A provider of dedicated website hardware in Dallas, TX. They've been there for more than six years.

ATS is part of the rouge Arizona Fusion Center ran by Jan Brewer. Also operating out of the Fusion Center is a whole list of people. Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Pamela Gellar, The crazy Sheriff Candidate that shot his family Jason Todd Ready, Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, Thomas Coletto, a.k.a. "Vito Lombardi KKK leader. and the list will go on. But they all push the boundary and then turn in the ones that cross the line. I guess you could say it is a honey pot. And it is not tied to the federal government just the Arizona Government and the loose connections they hold with other agencies which would be mostly Republican leaning states. But California does also connect with them through the Hudson Institute being ran by Scooter Libby. Arizona is the state that used ATS as a big part to push Fast and Furious on Obama and Eric Holder when it was done through this same Rouge Fusion Center and the local Arizona ATF which has no Federal Government oversight because they have no boss. You also had Arizona used ATS in a big part to push Benghazi Gate when it came out that the Hudson Institute with Scooter Libby played the key role in all the protest at Embassies around the world with the video the Hudson Institute paid for.

There are many things that point to ATS being tied directly with Arizona and the Arizona Fusion Center that has gone rouge. Much more than the servers for ATS are in Arizona or that many of the people who run ATS are in Arizona. And it is all out there in the open for the world to see if you only know what to look for and know how to put the pieces together.

So no ATS is not part of the CIA,FBI,NSA or Homeland Security. But they are connected to all those in a loose way from the Rouge Arizona Fusion Center. And they get a free pass on many things because they are. Just like the long list of names of people tied to the Arizona Fusion Center.

reply to post by Zaphod58

If people believe that one, I have some prime swamp land in AZ, a few bridges and statues that I can sell, along with one large mansion as well.

reply to post by JBA2848


So ATS is run by Jan Brewer? lol. I don't know if your post is play or you think that's real, especially after the post by SkepticOverlord about the servers. Jan Brewer?

[Edit, about a minute later. Still lol]

“Bottom up, top down…inside out.”

Originally posted by JBA2848
ATS is part of the rouge Arizona Fusion Center ran by Jan Brewer.

Why are they 'rouge'? Are they embarrassed or something?

Arizona Fusion Center. Shh! It is a secret location.
goo.gl...

Here is some things that the fusion centers do wrong.
dissenter.firedoglake.com...

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Sorry rogue.
Misspelled it.

If this really is a disinfo site where do I sign up to become a paid shill? Ain't no jobs in my part of the world and I have been accused of it a few times now so I might as well be getting paid for it

Joking aside, there will always be haters and a few members that throw out the disinfo site accusation when you have a site as successful as ATS, comes with the territory.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord

Clearly you're not grasping the nature of the so-called "Internet map" which identifies its methodology as based on semantics (click the about link). From a semantic point of view, there's much in common with the text on the very-large ATS "bubble" and the much smaller NSA bubble. But even more in common with the much larger (than NSA) bubble of Cancer.org which is also near ATS. Please, get damn grip. It's not about traffic, it's about semantic relationships.

I asked you nicely what the problem was with the internet map, it took you long enough to find an answer, it is something you just read yourself and now you pass it off as self evident, but you are the first to post this. No need to get all snappy.

Yes it does say this,

Importantly, clusters on the map are semantically charged, i.e. they join websites together according to their content. For example, a vast porno cluster can be seen between Brazil and Japan as well as a host of minor clusters uniting websites of the same field or similar purposes.

But it also says this,

Information about more than 2 million links between the websites has joined some of them together into topical clusters.

And this,

Also, an analogy can be drawn from quantum physics. In this case, a website is a physical body with a finite mass, a single user is the mass quantum – the much-spoken-about, yet-to-be-found Higgs’ boson, whereas the act of user’s switching between sites is the gravitational quantum – the graviton, another hypothetical particle.

And this,

The Internet map is a bi-dimensional presentation of links between websites on the Internet. Every site is a circle on the map, and its size is determined by website traffic, the larger the amount of traffic, the bigger the circle. Users’ switching between websites forms links, and the stronger the link, the closer the websites tend to arrange themselves to each other.

Did you miss these pieces when you focused on the one sentence that didn't directly support my claim?

It is clearly based on links between sites, not just based on semantics and content. Even if it was, how does that explain the position of nsa.gov?

Have you ever checked that site? There is no topical or semantic similarity whatsoever.

I'll try and contact the makers of the Internet Map, see how they explain this.

Btw, looked at nsa.gov, cancer.org and 1eyedeel.com and sofar, no semantic or topical similarities whatsoever.

1eyedeel is a rugby site. The only connection must be the traffic between it and ATS.

Originally posted by OmniPotential
It is clearly based on links between sites, not just based on semantics and content. Even if it was, how does that explain the position of nsa.gov?

You really do lack some basic investigative skills don't you?




Again, silly.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by OmniPotential
It is clearly based on links between sites, not just based on semantics and content. Even if it was, how does that explain the position of nsa.gov?

You really do lack some basic investigative skills don't you?




Again, silly.

I see you are only going to respond to cherrypicked parts of my post.

Are you suggesting that your explanation is the result of any admirable skill?

According to your logic, nsa.gov is next to ATS because the NSA occassionally gets mentioned on ATS, so, applying your logic, nra.org for instance, should be right next to ATS too, the NRA gets mentioned at least as much, but it isn't.



I am sure there are many other examples I can show a google search of, that also don't appear next to ATS on the internet map, so your argument is useless, really.

For instance, an ATS search function search for NSA yields about 15,000 results. To be fair, NRA only yields about half so let's take NASA as example.

It yields about 183,000 results. It is not next to ATS.

reply to post by OmniPotential


You've made up your mind to accept silly notions. Apparently there's nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise. Good luck.