Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

I'll give them until next year... though I would definitely prefer to see this stuff ASAP. I do, however, expect some sort of commentary from the site operators in the meantime.

It should be noted that the site called for us to be 'patient, as we are ourselves'. I wonder if there isn't contant contact between Ryan, Martinez, and Anon?

I just found this while searching on the net

>From: >From: Paul McGovern
>To: RICK DOTY ; Capt Bob Collins, Ret, USAF ; Victor Martinez

>Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 18:08
>Subject: Re: "AnonymousI" reveals more EYE-OPENING details on the
>human/ET program

>You should know all this Rick Doty. I know you were briefed back in
>1983.

>You want me to prove it? Your ignorance is sickening to me. Why
>do you play this part? You want people to think you are the
>uninformed but I know different. You should be supporting our
>efforts in getting this stuff released. That is, if you are the
>real Richard Doty.

>I had an experience with Rick Doty and Collins after the Feb
>27th show on coast to coast. I was sure it was Rick and he said
>so after, but Collins forwared me a message with Rick saying
>something like "It happened again like last time, I tried to
>call in and set the record straight but couldnt' get through".

>I think he was implying that it was an imposter, but that wasn't
>true. He likes to backtrack on a lot of things he says.

www.virtuallystrange.net...

I don't know if it has something to do with the serpo.org thing...
What's your opinion on that?

I regularly read through the posts on that list. Talk about a bit of pedigree -- Stan Friedman, Bruce Macabee, Michael Salla, etc. Think of them as you will, but they are the true researchers and authors in this field. I've been interested at the lack of interest in Project Serpo on that list. Methinks these people are too smart to fall for this stuff until something real is out there for them to study. It's also likely that some of those people are on Victor Martinez's list and they don't like to talk about it -- see the posts on Victor's list and you'll see that answers are vague and brief, at best.

Originally posted by Centrist
I've been interested at the lack of interest in Project Serpo on that list. Methinks these people are too smart to fall for this stuff until something real is out there for them to study.

The very fact that this website is still online, after all this time, should be a clue into why no one will touch it. This guy claims to be 'leaking' this project information... and if it was truly 'leaked' it would have been flagged by Echelon, taken off the net, and the people apprehended in less then a few a days by the NSA.

Think about this.

Doesnt a slow release of information increase the chances of that information being supressed?

Arent you in fact putting yourself in more danger by claiming you have additional sensative information?

You may release info, disappear, then find a new route in which to release additional info, but wouldnt you use a different medium each time.

I mean.... were talking about evidence that really important and powerful people may not want exposed! People with the means, knowledge, and capability to make individuals go away! Correct? Maybe?

So why would you let them know your next move? If in deed you are concerned? Or maybe there not concerned.

Michael Salla? As in the professor from American University? I had him as a prof when I attended there in the late 90's...I think he was Austrailian...No idea he was into UFO's? Well at least he never talked about it in class. I think the class i had with him was peace and conflict resolution.

Michael Salla? As in the professor from American University?

Yes. One in the same. I met him while he was at AU (one of my graduate degrees is from AU). He's a very, very interesting figure.

You should check out his website... Exopolitics.org

Who's to say that there aren't people on the inside who want this stuff released and others who probably don't. 'Leaking' related stuff has been going on for years with varying degrees of likely authenticity. www.majesticdocuments.com... has alot of documents and segments. This material has surfaced over a period of decades.

None of us here have a clue as to what is going on on the 'inside' and as a result can only speculate as to why things do --- or do not --- happen the way they do. At least some of the material presented on the site mentioned above have a high likelihood of being authentic and still classified as secret. Why are they allowed to remain online?

Originally posted by CrossBone
Think about this.

Doesnt a slow release of information increase the chances of that information being supressed?

Arent you in fact putting yourself in more danger by claiming you have additional sensative information?

You may release info, disappear, then find a new route in which to release additional info, but wouldnt you use a different medium each time.

Excellent point.

Hoaxers crave attention - Prolong the attention by making your 'information' episodic and stagger it's release.

Who's to say that there aren't people on the inside who want this stuff released and others who probably don't. 'Leaking' related stuff has been going on for years with varying degrees of likely authenticity. www.majesticdocuments.com... has alot of documents and segments. This material has surfaced over a period of decades.

Back a few pages on this thread, I wrote a short essay on why disclosure could occur. I'm not very optimistic that it will, but it's at least one plausible theory.

I think there are always going to be people on both side of the issue inside and out of government. Up until now, the law has favored those urging continued secrecy. Now, it's quite possible that the law no longer favors secrecy and leans toward disclosure (since it's been 25 years since the alleged documents would have been written). Maybe there's a showdown going on at the DIA over whether to release the docs, what should be blacked out, etc. Who knows. For all we know this is just some kid Bayonne getting his jollies by fooling people.

Originally posted by Centrist
Someone only identifying themself as "anonymous" has been posting on this site for about the last month.

Have you been following these posts for a month? Or are the time stamps simply saying that its been a month?

jtam508

The only “evidence” that I have to play with is the actual Serpo.org website itself. This includes what we see/read when we hit it with our browser, the source code of that page, and the piddly little bit of info the server hosting that page will give up (date last modified, security certificates, etc.)

A lot of people here are focusing on the content of the pages… what we see when we hit it with our browser. I poke around with the source code and page info *shrugs* I point out what I see for other people to ponder and play with (and disregard if they so choose)

As far as the actual value of having meta tags on a web site is concerned, well, that’s a topic in and of itself. Suffice it to say that meta tags Do have value. I won’t bore people here with the nuts and bolts of it.

The thing I found interesting in my research was that some Serpo.org pages did have them, while others did not. I also found their choice of keywords to be interesting. After commenting on this somebody updated the Serpo.org home page to include keywords.

I find this to be interesting. Robertfinex also seems to think that was an interesting coincidence.

Does it prove anything or mean anything? Nope. It doesn’t even mean that Serpo people read my posts.

It’s just an interesting coincidence and one more piece of the puzzle.

Here’s some “evidence” that I can work with:

The Home page was last modified on:

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:46:58 AM

I believe this was to reflect the changes in the Consistencies section (the top of the page says updated December 12, while the bottom of the page still says December 8 *shrugs*)

The Comments page was last modified on:

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:01:30 AM

however this is not reflected on the Home page, it still says December 8… and I’m not sure which comments (if any) were modified.

The Information released by Anonymous page has not been modified since the last time I checked. Nor has the Q&A page or the Contact page.

The Consistencies page was last modified on:

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:10:44 AM

I don’t know what any of that means, if anything, but it is “evidence” of sorts that can be measured and analyzed and discussed *shrugs*


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Have you been following these posts for a month? Or are the time stamps simply saying that its been a month?

I posted that (starting this thread) the same night that I located the Serpo.org site. So, to answer your question, it's the time stamps that say it's been a month. I cannot (and will not) claim to have seen that site any earlier than November 30, 2005.

Torbjon, I disagree with you on the value of Meta Tags. They once had value to effect search engine rankings in the mid-late 1990s. But due to rampant abuse and cheating, Google, Yahoo! and MSN (the big 3 search portals) have significantly lessened or eliminated their scoring for Meta Tags. The only Meta Tag that still retains importance is the "description" tag, since search engines show its content on a search result page.

www.google.com...

The most important parts of a web page that affect its rankings are the < title > tags, keword density in the page's HTML text content, the website's domain name and the page file name. The < title > tags of a web page are what appear in the blue links on a search engine result page. Another significant factor is how many other websites link to the page, and the credibility/popularity of those incoming website links.

Compare searching Google for "Serpo" vs. "alien exchange program." Notice for each set of results, the keywords are in bold wherever they're found. As a general rule, websites that use the particular key word in the < title > tags (blue links above the search result), in the website domain name and page file name get higher results. So for example, Sherry Shriner's website is #1 for "alien exchange program." If Serpo wanted to capture that spot or at least become #2, they should create a page called "alienexchangeprogram.html" on the Serpo site, include the phrase in the < title > tag, and repeat the phrase in 5-8% of the web page's text content.

At any rate, I think the minds behind the Serpo website are doing what 90% of any other person with little experience at website design will do and just building the website as best they can. I think the evidence regarding the structure of the website is just that they had to start somewhere and are getting the pages going as a priority. It's possible that if and when the hoax probability lessens and they're viewed as more legitimate that they'll decide to reorganize/redesign the site to appeal to a wider audience. If and when the photos ever show up, and they're stunningly hard to debunk, can you imagine the word of mouth & e-mails that will spread encouraging others to at least look at them?

[edit on 13-12-2005 by enhancedesign]

enhancedesign:

All I can say to that is Yes and No. Everything you said is correct. There is also more to it than that.

The nuts and bolts of web site design isn’t really the subject of this thread and I’ve been trying to avoid going on about the boring stuff.

I appreciate the information you’ve provided, but I’m not seeing anything new to me… Again, everything you say is correct, but there is more to it than that. I get the feeling that you and I could spend hours and hours chatting about this subject *grins* which could be a lot of fun for us but I think it would drive everybody else bonkers, ya know?

However, I do feel that the nuts and bolts provide some insights into the people behind the website. Their particular choice of meta tags, for example, says something about the people involved and how they think, or how they think we think… At the very least, it is additional information that is not readily visible when you visit the web site. How we interpret that information is up to us *shrugs*

I also feel that keeping tabs on when the pages were “modified” tells us a little bit more about them and their habits, and helps to keep them honest… I find the time of day that pages are uploaded to be interesting and perhaps telling…. telling of what I don’t know, but it is measurable “evidence” that can be accumulated and analyzed.

(side note: just because the server says a page has been “modified” all that means is the page was uploaded at that time… the contents of the page may be unchanged…)

Again, I appreciate your observations, everything you say is 100% correct, and if you Really wanna chat web head stuff, I can be found at torbtown.com.

Rock on
twj

[Addition from Robert Collins: EBE–2 did state that his planet was named "Sieu" – but that was in Eben, not English. He never mentioned "Serpo" as such. He said that according to Earth days, his planet's days were approximately 37-40 hours; that he liked the cool climate of Earth, around LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratories) and northern New Mexico; and that he was a scientist and was providing assistance to Earth scientists in the area of space travel. EBE–1 (initially just known as EBE) was the sole survivor of the Roswell crash, and lived until 1952 (see this posting by Anonymous), EBE–2 arrived in 1964 and stayed till 1984, and EBE–3 (with two aides, one of whom was female) arrived in 1978 and stayed until 1994.] -- consistencies page

I must have missed this. Does anyone recall when this part was posted? It was added to Consistency #1. Also, please note that this comment is added by Robert Collins. While I'm being careful to point out that Anon didn't provide this information, it's still curious to me that Doty and Collins are adding interesting information and just so happen to have a book out on the subject.

I don't want to mention again that by having Doty and Collins, each verified for DIA agents (although, admittedly, Collins was a disinformation agent), we have a very weird situation. Those people wondering why this thing had taken on such momentum, imho, is in no small part due to these guys. More importantly, the UFO research community knows this about Doty, presumably has a mistrust of Collins due to his association with Doty (and the whole Falcon and Condor thing)....

Since we're analyzing motives, meta tags, and whatever else we can get our hands on, put this in your thinking caps and swish it around -- suppose Doty and Collins aren't involved with Anonymous and have latched onto this bandwagon because it "smells" right to them. It also makes them look pretty good and might help sell some books. But what if it turns out that Linda Howe, or someone else with an axe to grind against Doty is behind it? (mind you, I only use Linda Howe's name for an example, please do not think that there's any reason to believe any of this is true). What if it's an anonymous prankster (who will stay anonymous) who knows just enough about how things work decided to pull a big "gotcha".

Hmmm. Yes, I hope there's some truth to all this, but my curiosity is piqued with regard to exactly what type of hoax this is and how it will play-out. Maybe it's going to turn out to be a more sophisticated hoax than I've been giving it credit for?

Put your best teeth in, folks... here's something interesting...

I've been researching anything I can find that was written by Victor Martinez and try to get a sense of how/why he's involved.... take a look at this page! This appears to be an early communication between Anonymous (Agent XXX) and Victor. Victor apparently forwarded it to someone who posted it... an excerpt is provided below.

Captain Bill

Location: Lancaster, CA
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:24 am

Post subject: From Agent XXX

Well, I received an interesting post this morning via a guy I know named Victor who sends out all kinds of interesting stuff. In the light of recent revelations on Brazilian disclosure and info about Peruvian secret UFO files, an unidentified agent (Agent XXX) posted the following which is interesting even if not authentic...

A FRAMEWORK – SPECIAL MJ-12 STAFF DOC From: AGENT "XXX" - 6-7-05, 5:13 p.m. To: VICTOR MARTINEZ Subject: TALK RADIO & INTERNET PUBLIC ACCLIMATION PROGRAM (WITH MJ-12's BLESSING)

Dear VICTOR: It's interesting that the civilian/commercial sectors are now VOLUNTARILY doing Public Acclimation at a faster rate. "Streaming" Internet Radio, XM/Sirius Satellite Radio and Internet websites are now bypassing conventional media. The word about ETs/UFOs is spreading... internationally.

Many people now "WANT to Know" -- and are turning to the "alternative media" for information found in many places, including "web blogs" and "e-mail streams" like yours Getting elected U.S. Government officials "up to speed" is still slow, but progressing. Maybe if "your side" AND the public UFO groups/radio programs keep feeding information, we can quietly "teamwork" to prepare for the future – AGENT "XXX" –

and

With these 12 points as a reliable framework, it is intended that key members of the public and government will be better able to accept, evaluate and place into perspective the body of evidence which is now before them.
I'm ready. BTW, somebody took notes on what is in the Yellow Book and I am trying to get access to at least some of those. On watch

Who wants to take a bite out of this?

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[edit on 13-12-2005 by Centrist]

Centrist,

Doty is also an admitted counter-intell/disinformation agent.

________________________

On a different note,

I find it funny how all of these ardent naysayers hurl themselves out of the woodwork when there is a delay in the updates to the Serpo site. I've seen very few, if any, posts in this thread containing a fanatical tone about this story. Let's just take a step back and keep dissecting the information as we have been this whole time.

Patience is a virtue.

Originally posted by Centrist
Who wants to take a bite out of this?

I must admit that cringed as soon as a clicked the link and saw a picture of Dan Burisch. There have been several glarng inconsistences with his background. Enough that it would taint what comes out of his mouth, in my mind.

That said, i'll give it a read anyway.

[edit on 12/13/2005 by Obscure]

[edit on 12/13/2005 by Obscure]

Yes. Seeing Dan Burisch scares me, too.. but I don't think it's related. What really scares me is:

somebody took notes on what is in the Yellow Book and I am trying to get access to at least some of those.

If you read into this, you get that he's giving us information off of someone's notes that had access to the yellow book? Where's the red book? Where's the circle of DIA agents for "controlled release". Does all this add up to.. [dramatic pause] Dan Burisch is "anonymous"? Does he claim to have access to the yellow book?

Now, that doesn't kick-in the autohoax detector (yeah, actually it does, but wait a sec...) but what if (and this is a BIG if) Dan Burisch actually does have knowledge and he's taking a page from Bob Lazar's playbook? What if he doesn't have knowledge and is trying to pull off a hoax because he's pissed that no one is buying into his claims?

I'm getting a very icky feeling. Yes, that light at the end of the tunnel we were hoping for may be the Dan Burisch express heading right for us.