Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Centrist, easy.

I was only going for easy as NextLevel suggested.

Diameter: 7,218 miles
Mass: 5.06X10>24
Distance from Sun #1: 96.5 million miles
Sun #2: 91.4 million miles
Moons: 2
Surface gravity: 9.60m/s>2
Rotation Periods: 43 hours
Orbit: 865 days
Tilt: 43 degrees
Temperature: Min: 43° / Max: 126°
Distance from Earth: 38.43 light years

Notice miles, hours, days, degrees, and light years are all denoted. Why not kg?

Easy, Centrist.

I already feel like THE enemy. What can I do to get back in good graces here? Stay an clean the floors when they close up shop?





It's all in fun.

[edit on 2-2-2006 by garyo1954]

Originally posted by porky1981
I think the 10 year exchange is a bit exaggerated. What would be the purpose of such a long visit? The scientists could collect more than enough information about ebens, the planet, flora/fauna, etc.. in 1 year.

Hi Porky!

Here’s the thing…

I’m a new member, usually post late at night and am pretty much content with the fact that most of my comments are ignored, overlooked or expressed by forum members later in the thread. I’m happy to remain out of the spotlight and take simple satisfaction from the opportunity to express my viewpoint in a global setting and the chance to compare my analysis to others. Now, in the unlikely event you actually read this response, here are my thoughts about time… It ain’t the same for everybody.

We have been told that the Serpo exchange took place from 1965 to 1978; 13 years, as measured here on earth. We have also been told that time, for whatever reason, is measured (or perceived) differently on the planet Serpo. Apparently, the Eben’s have very long life cycles which most likely coincide to a different time standard than here on earth. Now without dissecting Einstein’s theories relative to space and time, one can speculate that 13 years on planet Earth does not equal 13 years on planet Serpo. Therefore, perhaps it seemed like a much shorter stay for the earth visitors.

At the present however, there appears to be more truth in the possibility of time differentials than in the Serpo saga.

Level Up

Originally posted by NextLevel
That's all -- and Thanks Majic!

Watch out, I took your name in vain in my latest ramblecast.

If only I got paid by the word.

Heck, if only I got paid.

Questions unanswered from my notes:

1. What is to be gained from SERPO and who stands to gain?
I learned early in life if you want answers you must follow the "money". If we follow the Pound, so to speak, who stands to gain: Mr. Collins and Mr. Doty from their book? I doubt it, someone would have found a link between them and SERPO by now but......I bet they have gained a few coins from a small spike in book sales. If I remember from other posts or maybe from someones link Mr Doty is a confirmed disinfo "agent" and therefore a known fabricator of fiction (can I be direct and say known liar?). As for Mr. Collins, if he is legit, what is he doing writing a book with someone who has no credit? Is SERPO taken directly from their book? Has anyone explored the involment of these two, does Mr. Collins have any credibility? But what do they gain other than book sales? Can their book even be taken seriously? Is Victor or Bill or anyone else profiting from this story? Once again I doubt it, someone would have found evidence.

2. If money is not to be gained what is to be gained? Fame, glory, revenge, power, knowledge, pride.....what? I don't know the group dynamics involved with the names on the original list but I'll bet dollars to donuts that anyone who can figure out who stands to gain the most will solve the riddle of who is pulling the strings. It's tough to follow the "game" if you don't know who made the rules and why.

3. Why does SERPO feel like a scam? A good scam works on group psycology by first identifying the mark or marks. Second the confidence man builds the marks confidence in the scam by "working " the scam on his shills? Ofcourse the "game" is rigged and the shills jump on board building the excitement until the mark is confident that it's not a scam. Once the mark decides to play the "game" the confidence man takes over, the mark may win a few rounds but in the end that's where he takes it....you know which end he takes it from. If the Con-man does his job the mark is none the wiser and chalks it up to "bad luck" or someother nonesense.

a) who's the mark(s)? Any and everyone who at any point in time believes any of the SERPO story without any evidence what so ever!

b) who are the shills? All those who corroborate this story without providing evidence knowing or not that the story is false. Hearsy or stories are not evidence. We learned that not all shills are in on the "game" did you all forget "chapman". Like him or hate him his point is valid: the Con-man has some people wrapped around his finger. (3 card monty anyone)

c)who is the Confidence man/men? I'm not privy to the list e-mails like some of you, but atleast 2 people have to be involved, why? Who in the privite conversations is smoothing the bumps, who in public is whitewashing the strawman? I can tell you who you all have turned to for confidence dispite the lack of evidence and consistency....Bill Ryan. His word is taken as gospel, when he speaks everyones fears and doubts are aswaged.
Am I saying Bill is anon....no, there is a change that he is being dupped but given his background I would bet he's involved more than he will admit. Evidence does exsist that Bill is involved with "mind control" or at the very least group psycology and manipulation given his professional background and extensive involvment in a Hubbard cult. Yes, his cult involvment is relavant, follow the links from I believe her name is Shawnna. What does Mr. Ryan stand to gain?

4. What part or parts of the SERPO story are true? Did aliens crash in NM? If so did we make real contact? If so you can't really believe that they would let humans take possesion of their "people" and tech? What do we do for downed pilots in high tech planes? (I've done live TRAP (Tactical Rescue of Air Personel) missions) We do whatever it takes to get our pilot and destroy or remove any tech that we want to keep from others. I will give "aliens" the same credit, no way would they not get their "man/men" or their craft (no way with WWII tech could they stop modern human military let alone aliens that are thousands of years more advanced)! If you believe the story these aliens wiped out an ENTIRE race more advanced than humans! Give me a break, they crashed 2 times and couldn't mount a salvage and rescue, but they can wage a war on a scale we humans have yet to achieve?

Did an exchange take place? Did humans travel to another solar system? Did they make it back alive? If they did there would be sometype of hard evidence be it physical or mathematical that would be easy to "leak". What none of the six anons have a cell phone with a camera, hey wait they work in super spook central right....if I can go to The Security Store ( a local retail store) and get a clock cam, pen cam, and even a button cam then these guys can get something like a contact lense cam or something and throw down some real evidence.

This is more draining than I thought, night all getting fuzzy need sleep.


[edit on 2-2-2006 by CasualOne]for spelling

[edit on 2-2-2006 by CasualOne]and I still can't spell tonight

[edit on 2-2-2006 by CasualOne]

Originally posted by OCD DETECTIVE

We have also been told that time, for whatever reason, is measured (or perceived) differently on the planet Serpo.

Time doesn't exist. Show me time. Correct me if im wrong, but we created time so we could measure (for lack of a better term) stuff.

I don't find it impossible for an alien civilization to create their own different standard ebe minute. Perhaps their minute is roughly 1 earth second.

At this point all we can do is speculate until the next heaping spoonfull is strategically placed in front of our salivating mouths.

Originally posted by garyo1954

Centrist, easy.

I was only going for easy as NextLevel suggested.

I'm honored to be quoted. Now, onward with another thought that has creeped into the disbelief side of my existence:

Whats interesting is that the information being presented goes to extraordinary lengths to describe, compare and contrast the time system and time keeping methods and how they failed to account for time on Serpo.

Are we to believe (or fail to question, more accurately) -- that the most prestigious scientific minds of the day failed to understand the time problem as described by the newly minted Einsteinian relativity concepts coming out of the decade(s) preceding the 12-person launch to Serpo?

Are we to assume that the team would be provided NO MEANS of tracking total-mission time? Consider that although we haven't launched anyone into space at this point (1965) but we're savvy time understanding-beings and certainly --- well, one wishes to assume -- that we'd understand the relativity of time and spacial references and all that jazz and at least brief the Serpo-nauts that they would have to track TOTAL MISSION TIME and not Earth-Sol time?

I mean, a second is a second is a second whether it's on Serpo or on Mars or Earth -- it's just that 86,400 seconds make up an Earth Day and on Serpo 154,800 seconds make up a Day (43 hours).

Further, quoteth the Anonymous Request source:

4) Regarding Time: The Team Members brought several time pieces, e.g., wrist watches, non-battery style, as it stated in the debriefing data. The time pieces worked, but they had no reference to time since the Eben days were longer, the dusk and dawn periods were longer and they had no calenders to reference. They did use the time pieces to calculate movement, for example, timing the movement of the Eben two suns. They also calculated the time between work and rest periods. But, after awhile, the team discarded their time pieces and used the Eben's measurement of time periods. The team became confused with the calenders they brought – a 10-year calender. After 24 months, the team lost track of time, as to the calender since they could not properly calculate days compared to Earth days.

Uh, what? They lost 'track' of time after 24 months? That's ludicrous. If you're telling me the top military candidate out of thosands cannot do some simple multi-digit multiplication and division, I'm astounded. That's just sorry, sad and probably the most damning thing I can think of to discredit this at this point.

Anyhow...

Lastly, it further amazes me that when the USG and the Ebens were coordinating a 'joint-time' to describe to one-another that they failed to utilize a reference point that was relative to both, such as the pulsing of a Quazar or the orbits of other universal bodies. Time is certainly applicable anywhere in the galaxy -- it's just that it's specifically relative to your vantage point.

Speed o Light (aka 'C') = 670,616,629.4 miles per hour (1,079,252,848.8 km/h)
Light Year = 5.879 × 10^12 (5.879 Trillion miles)(9.461 petametres [trillion kilometers])

Serpo = 38.43 light years from Earth
Serpo = 225.93 Trillion miles from Earth

9months x 30days = 270 days
836.7 Billion miles per day

'Time Wave' Engine Speed = 34.8625 Billion miles per hour
(34,862,500,000 mph)

Anyone want to check my work?

Originally posted by Majic
Level Up

Originally posted by NextLevel
That's all -- and Thanks Majic!

Watch out, I took your name in vain in my latest ramblecast.

If only I got paid by the word.

Heck, if only I got paid.

It's all good (and part of my dis-anti-re-information agenda [which you've fallen into quite nicely])

Nice ramblecast. I think I'll post more regularly now.

Time Dilation

Originally posted by NextLevel
Are we to assume that the team would be provided NO MEANS of tracking total-mission time? Consider that although we haven't launched anyone into space at this point (1965) but we're savvy time understanding-beings and certainly --- well, one wishes to assume -- that we'd understand the relativity of time and spacial references and all that jazz and at least brief the Serpo-nauts that they would have to track TOTAL MISSION TIME and not Earth-Sol time?

Ah, but in 1965 we had launched people into space – several times. In fact.

Yuri Gagarin was the first reported human launched into space on April 12, 1961, and us Yanks launched our homeboy Alan Shepard into space less than a month later on May 5, 1961.

We continued to shoot humans into space under Project Gemini, which was ongoing at the alleged time of Serpo, and the Apollo Moon Program was also well underway in 1965.

As of 1965, the U.S. was flying SR-71's and had several satellites in orbit.

In addition to all that, the U.S. had several nuclear submarines in the seas and all sorts of sophisticated technology in use at that time in history.

Regrettably, it seems the Project Serpo team was not privy to much of the contemporary technology available to the U.S. government at the time, and was apparently forced to make do with 1940's-era technology.

Perhaps it was due to time dilation.

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
Speed o Light (aka 'C') = 670,616,629.4 miles per hour (1,079,252,848.8 km/h)
Light Year = 5.879 × 10^12 (5.879 Trillion miles)(9.461 petametres [trillion kilometers])

Serpo = 38.43 light years from Earth
Serpo = 225.93 Trillion miles from Earth

9months x 30days = 270 days
836.7 Billion miles per day

'Time Wave' Engine Speed = 34.8625 Billion miles per hour
(34,862,500,000 mph)

Anyone want to check my work?

WOW!!! That's some speed. Any traffic control here? Maybe some signposts or check posts manned by EBEs, billions of miles ahead to warn of planets/suns/gas giants/white dwarfs/neutron stars etc etc that may be in the way!! Avoiding them would mean billions of Gs! But probaby being powered by anti gravity devices its all hunky dory! So bash on, regardless!
Have a nice flight!!!!

[edit on 2-2-2006 by mikesingh]

[edit on 2-2-2006 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by NextLevel
Greetings fellow earthlings:

Welcome! Its great to have another quality poster around here.
Reading your post was like reading my own thoughts almost, I compl(mostly)etely agree with it. Not to sound like too much of a nutthugger, but I think your post should be read by everyone here.
Quote worthy material

Originally posted by promomag
My lord, look at all the new posts!

Anything new and exciting? Nope same ol stuff.

It's getting old isn't it?

Are you done being a troll yet?

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**A few pages back someone said that Bill Ryan was abducted... I could not find out where this information came from- too much clutter, ect.
Can anyone confirm this, or maybe post a link to it please, thank you.




[edit on 2-2-2006 by Unplugged]

Well, first you are taking "Time" as being a linear measurement.

It is not a linear measurement, when SpaceTime is warped or bent closer together. (as it can be through black holes or cutting the distance down, as explained by Einstein and Special Relativity or General Relativity, and also Time Dilation, whereas your clock moves slower aboard a SpaceCraft, then the same clock on the Earth.)

But anyway, curve space around, and if it were possible to bend SpaceTime enough, one could just about Jump to Planet Serpo.

As of yet, do not count on it being done, but there are many physics books one can read about any of it!

www2.slac.stanford.edu...



[edit on 2-2-2006 by AmoebaSized]

RE: Gravity of Serpo.

Ok. I did some quick math to see if I could determine by the numbers given if Serpo was actually denser than Earth.

Serpo is said to be 7,218 miles in Diameter. Earth is 7,926.21 miles in diameter. That would mean Serpo's Diameter is 92.1 % that of the Earth's.

Serpo's Mass is given as 5.06 X 10^24. Earth's mass is 5.976 X 10^24 . That would mean Serpo's Mass is 84.67 % that of Earth's.

Now here if we consider that Serpo and Earth being Planets should both be Sphere shaped bodies, then we can use the equation to find the volume of a sphere to determine if Serpo would be denser or less dense than Earth by volume.

Volume of a sphere is V=4/3*Pi*R^3

Earth's Radius = 3,963 miles Vol. = approx. 260,711,231,193 miles ^3

Serpo's Radius = 3,609 miles Vol. = approx. 196,901,112,416 miles^3


So Serpo has approx. 24.47% less volume than Earth, however it has 84.67% of the Mass of Earth.

So Serpo would have 84.67% of Earth's mass in a space less than 75.52 % of Earth's volume. That would easily make Serpo more Dense than Earth and thus account for the higher Gravity noted.

( Note that Serpo's gravity is given as 9.6m/s^2 is less than that of Earth's @ 9.8m/s^2 )

(Note that the volume of a sphere increases exponentially as the Radius increases. That is why even though Serpo's Diameter is 92.1 % that of Earth's , it would only hold 75.52% of the Volume of Earth.)





[edit on 2-2-2006 by lost_shaman]

General Relativity:

astro.physics.sc.edu...

The spacetime of the General Theory must locally have the same properties of the Special Theory. Light must travel on a null geodesic. A material object travels on a timelike path. If it is in free-fall, this path is a timelike geodesic. (See Unit 56.)
On a larger scale, gravity bends or distorts spacetime. These geodesics are the shortest path in this distorted spacetime.


Like an airplane that takes the Great Circle Route in the air to fly from here to there, in a sort of fashion.
Everything is in free-fall in SpaceTime.
Bend SpaceTime enough and shorten the distance to anywhere.

Posting by Anonymous (18 November, 2005)
Some bodies, near the equator, did contain strange-looking creatures, similar to eels (small and about 8–10" long) and was probably a cousin of the land-based "Snake."
- Cant be a cousin of any earth based creature.

Posting Eleven by Anonymous (21 December, 2005)
The craft is starting engine, or what they call energy thrusters. Seems like we are moving but nothing happening inside. Still able to write this. Really dizzy now. 102 sitting next to me and he is faint. Something feels really funny. Have to rewrite this because I can't think straight.
- Why is "skipper" trying to write as he is flying? Doesn't make sense as a journal entry.

Posting Eleven by Anonymous (21 December, 2005)
ENTRY It has been a long time since I have made an entry. We are guessing we have been on the ship for 25 days. But we might be off about five days. We were locked into our sphere for a long period of time. We had to leave in order to relieve ourselves and finally were able to open the sphere.
- A real scientific team would have brought a stop watch or something. If the Serpo planet is so far away and when traveling faster than light wouldn't you be curious as to how EXACTLY long your traveling for (especially to another freakin planet)?

Posting Eleven by Anonymous (21 December, 2005)
Whatever he means by that. We were able to walk around the ship, but it is so large it is difficult to understand how such a large ship can move so fast.
- Why would a scientist be surprised by the speed of a ship in space. There is no resistence in space. Wow........I don't think i'll read anymore tonight. Personally I find this to be bunk. Oringinal Plot. I like Titor better though.

Originally posted by Unplugged
**A few pages back someone said that Bill Ryan was abducted... I could not find out where this information came from- too much clutter, ect.
Can anyone confirm this, or maybe post a link to it please, thank you.

[edit on 2-2-2006 by Unplugged]

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Midway......Bill is answering questions about crop circles.

Oh, NextLevel good to see you are taking a break in War on Terrorism.
You are quotable.

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
'Time Wave' Engine Speed = 34.8625 Billion miles per hour
(34,862,500,000 mph)

WOW!!! That's some speed. Any traffic control here? Maybe some signposts or check posts manned by EBEs, billions of miles ahead to warn of planets/suns/gas giants/white dwarfs/neutron stars etc etc that may be in the way!! Avoiding them would mean billions of Gs! But probaby being powered by anti gravity devices its all hunky dory! So bash on, regardless!
Have a nice flight!!!!

Super-luminal travel is easy. It's the same concept as super-luminal communication which has been shown in experiments. A data packet is sent on a photon (I think) through dense matter. This gives more electrons to push the data faster than the actual speed of the photon (or something like that). By forcing an EM field (with a bunch of matter inside [ie Ebens]) through an energized space using anti-particle engines; you basically achieve the same effect with the Ebens being the data packets. Space is nothing more than really spread out matter. Go fast enough and you can achieve super-luminal travel because you are increasing the density of space around you much like the dense matter in the experiments here on Earth. More electrons to push your "data packet" to it's destination quicker.

Really, 34 Billion mph is nothing compared to the new 'Anti-EM Pulse' Engines. Those suckers are used for inter-galactic travel. Ok, maybe that was a little too far.

Originally posted by Majic
RambleCast

In Ramblecast #9 (I think) at the 11:00 minute mark, you state that Bill Ryan "claims" to know that the Serpo information is "80% Fact - 20% False". You go on to say how wrong he is for "claiming" this as fact.
You must have missed Bill's post where he posted an e-mail he received from anonymous that gave the whole "80-20" info. -- So to say Bill Ryan is pulling these figures out of nowhere is wrong.

Also, at about the 14 minute mark on the same Ramblecast, you talked about a post by Bill where he states his current beliefs on the story.
You whent on to say "How does Bill KNOW this???? How does Bill down THAT??" in response to Bill's beliefs. -- Well, you must have missed the fact that Bill was stating his Beliefs on the matter, and that he wasnt claiming anything to be fact.
These two things stuck out of the Ramblecast most to me. Entertaining listen btw

[edit on 2-2-2006 by Unplugged]

Yawn

Originally posted by Unplugged

Originally posted by NextLevel
Greetings fellow earthlings:

Welcome!

Its great to have another quality poster around here.
Reading your post was like reading my own thoughts almost, I compl(mostly)etely agree with it. Not to sound like too much of a nutthugger, but I think your post should be read by everyone here.
Quote worthy material

Originally posted by promomag
My lord, look at all the new posts!

Anything new and exciting? Nope same ol stuff.

It's getting old isn't it?

Are you done being a troll yet?

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**A few pages back someone said that Bill Ryan was abducted... I could not find out where this information came from- too much clutter, ect.
Can anyone confirm this, or maybe post a link to it please, thank you.




[edit on 2-2-2006 by Unplugged]

Have been following Serpo site and this thread from the beginning, great job everyone!
The two people that decided to stay on Serpo, was that a man and a woman? Is there enough info to make that call? Just curious if they decided to start a small human colony on Serpo. I’ll follow this story to the end.


Posting Fourteen by Anonymous (1 February, 2006)

[Note by BR: This posting was sent directly to myself and was not sent to Victor Martinez. It is presented below verbatim. Nothing has been added or edited.
It also seems clear that there is an anomaly, as "102" appears to be a different person from the Team Commander in the information above. I invite other pairs of eyes to check.]

Team Commander 102
Assistant Team Commander 203
Team Pilot #1 225
Team Pilot #2 308
Linguist #1 420
Linguist #2 475
Biologist 518
Scientist #1 633
Scientist #2 661
Doctor #1 700
Doctor #2 754
Security 899