Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

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Originally posted by AboveTopSecret.com
IMPORTANT NOTICE


Later today, there will be an important update related to this thread and how we'd like discussion of Project Serpo to progress on AboveTopSecret.com.

This thread will remain open. Discussion will continue. But we will try to help things gain a tighter focus through some refined discussion protocols specific to this giant thread.

Thank you.

The 3 Amigos.

If I may pipe in? (Nudges through)

As I stated in an earlier post, is it possible for Bill Ryan to have his own stage, in effect, a locked thread wherein he may post information as it comes available?

Further, questions can be moderated to/through/by him and responded to in this fashion.

Eliminates diatribes and epic posts like < cough > mine. Any idea, anyway.

Originally posted by Zep Tepi

Originally posted by Musclor
Wow ! The correlation of the Lonni Zamora and the Serpo craft landing is absolutely awesome. Same day, same place. Congrats makaveli27 for finding this

Valhall first mentioned this on the 2nd December last year, and was followed up by Boogie the next day. There have been some other posts also referring to it.

With a thread this long it's hardly surprising things get missed and brought up again.

Thanks Zep Tepi, missed it, indeed.


Boogie stated :

Socorro: Wow nice tie in with that sighting eh? I thought I could throw this whole thing out since there was no way 12 people could fit with their gear in what Zamora saw land earlier...but then no exchange supposedly happened till the next year.

Well, indeed, it could simply be that the eben craft who landed in april 1964 was not the same type as the one which came back the next year to pick up the twelve us personnel and their package. In fact, it even makes sense, because as the ebens knew they would not make the exchange, they probably took a smaller craft for the first meeting.

What do you think everyone ? Bill ?

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Originally posted by torbjon

But the ebens don’t understand “our” Time. *rolls eyes*

The ebens don’t manufacture a simple wind up device that simulates the motion of their path through space so that they can tell the time Inside a building or in a deep dark hole or on a cloudy day, or for scientific purposes, or, Most Importantly, (and THE sole reason accurate clocks were developed here on Earth) for Navigation.

Yes, 15 degrees of arc on Serpo will not be of the same duration as 15 degrees of arc here on Earth…


But it’s the same concept, and is the concept really That Hard to grasp???

duty calls
twj


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I think what you have to realize here is that it's not so much about what is the best way to keep time, but is more about just how much does time really matter to you.

Here on Earth, our society is consumed by time. Millions upon millions of people rushing around trying to cram as much into their 24 hour day as possible. So much to do, yet so little time.

Now what about a culture whose "day to day" life is more relaxed, less stressed, and more mentally advanced. Do you think they are worried about what time it is all the time. Its already been stated that their days are broken up into segments of work and rest, so there is a form of time there. And the tower sundial, for all we know, is something that is steeped in tradition and something that they value.


To quote Victoe: "One must think in different terms of science, not Earth-based but Serpo-based science. Ebens were thousands and thousands of years more advanced than us. They had different forms of navigation systems, which I will discuss in great detail later, probably 2006."


I guess what I'm saying is that just because we here on earth do something a certain way, tell time for instance, doesn't mean that its the best way. Only the best way for us, for now.

Bill,

Like you, I am going to withhold the source for the time being. If ANY Mod/Admin requests my source they will receive them.

Now, I appreciate your views. I mean that sincerely.
But unbiased research doesn't show this as being a hoax.
It looks more like a huckster job.

You are doing radio with Mary Singular who charges for her programs.

EDITED for Rephrase here: Do you just do book reviews for Amazon or do you work for Amazon? (Thanks, longhairedcowboy).
One of the four books you did review: Exempt from Disclosure by Robert Collins. (Seen that title here a bunch)

You are doing speaking engagements.

It appears all this is just another outlet for drawing the crowd.
You are a bright individual. You can see that.

Here's the biggie! Watch carefully............

That new list you posted yesterday was known to you BEFORE December 29th, 2005.

Almost immediately after this post was spotted:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Someone (Michael Sallas, Bill Hamilton, Bill Ryan, Anon) put this list together:

Team Commander 102
Assistant Team Commander 203 Weapons duties
Team Pilot #1 225
Team Pilot #2 308
Linguist #1 420 - Male
Linguist #2 475 - Male
Biologist 518
Scientist #1 633 - Male
Scientist #2 661
Doctor #1 700
Doctor #2 754
Security 899 Weapons duties (Male)
MVC Alien guide/translator


Yes, some things were changed yesterday, but the obvious is:
The Team Leader had ALREADY been numbered 102!

This was before the 29th of December!

You knew that Bill!
And withheld it until yesterday!



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Originally posted by NextLevel
Further, questions can be moderated to/through/by him and responded to in this fashion.

Eliminates diatribes and epic posts like < cough > mine. Any idea, anyway.

This is a FANTASTIC idea - and I would like to second it. A lot of the "static" in this thread is from people all raising their hands at the same time and yelling out their questions, regardless of merit. If questions can be directed to bill, maybe even "filtered" through a moderator, to cut down on workload for Bill - and then allow him a separate "stage" in another thread where he can respond to each question, it would free up this thread for a more streamlined (and more valuable) discussion...

Just my humble opinion...

-rdube02

I support this idea with a big BUT.....

I'm uncomfortable with having questions and/or answers 'filtered' by ANYONE unless it is solely for the purpose of eliminating duplication.

We are all human, and some of us - including our beloved moderators and/or ATS site owners - may have a bias one way or the other.

I want to be sure personal bias regarding this information doesn't influence how it is released or shared.

TRUTH is TRUTH and we all are entitled to it. Then it is up to each of us to determine how we integrate that truth within our own psyche.

Originally posted by garyo1954
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Team Commander 102
Assistant Team Commander 203 Weapons duties
Team Pilot #1 225
Team Pilot #2 308
Linguist #1 420 - Male
Linguist #2 475 - Male
Biologist 518
Scientist #1 633 - Male
Scientist #2 661
Doctor #1 700
Doctor #2 754
Security 899 Weapons duties (Male)
MVC Alien guide/translator


Yes, some things were changed yesterday, but the obvious is:
The Team Leader had ALREADY been numbered 102!

This was before the 29th of December!

You knew that Bill!
And withheld it until yesterday!

This is the list that onlyinmydreams made up:

(no number) Commander (Male)
102 (Male)
203 Weapons duties
420 Linguist (Male)
475 (Male)
518
633 Scientist or pilot (Male)
661 Scientist or pilot
700 Doctor
754 Doctor
899 Weapons duties (Male)
MVC Alien guide/translator


It does not list the leader as being 102, only that 102 is male. The leaders number is unknown. Maybe I have missed something here but I do not see what you are getting at.

I think Garyo is referring to the more detailed list he posted - which apparently is from somewhere else and was known about from the end of December.

Originally posted by Shawnna
I want to be sure personal bias regarding this information doesn't influence how it is released or shared.

I would second this reservation. I think a thread with tighter protocols would, however, be good at this point...

But I too would want to have the data "unfiltered"...At the VERY least (if there must be a filter), the "filter" should be a group of people...not a single person (I prefer to rely on the "buddy system").

K

Originally posted by WHOFLUNGGUM

It does not list the leader as being 102, only that 102 is male. The leaders number is unknown. Maybe I have missed something here but I do not see what you are getting at.

And you sir, are absolutely right! Onlyinmydreams list DID NOT ID 102.
Zep Tepi you are absolutely correct.

Bill did not ID 102 as TL until yesterday.
But Bill knew BEFORE December 29th the list I posted above existed.
He knew that 102 would be identified as the TL.
AND he knew it before December 29th. (EDITED to clarify the point.)

He withheld that info, and a lot more, which brought us to this point.
He undermined the search, discussion, and the possibility of any conclusion by withholding information pertinent to the unbiased examination of evidence.



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Originally posted by Zep Tepi
I think Garyo is referring to the more detailed list he posted - which apparently is from somewhere else and was known about from the end of December.

Okay, thanks my bad! I assumed he was talking about the list on the link he provided. Getting back on my bar stool and quitely observing from afar!

Originally posted by garyo1954

And you sir, are absolutely right! Onlyinmydreams list DID NOT ID 102.
Zep Tepi you are absolutely correct.

Bill did not ID 102 as TL until yesterday.
But Bill knew BEFORE December 29th the list I posted above existed.
He knew that 102 would be identified as the TL.
AND he knew it before December 29th. (EDITED to clarify the point.)

He withheld that info, and a lot more, which brought us to this point.
He undermined the search, discussion, and the possibility of any conclusion by withholding information pertinent to the unbiased examination of evidence.

Thank you for the explanation. I was lost for a moment but I am back.
I am still trying to figure out who's writing the logs so I'll step back and let you and Bill hash this out.

Originally posted by garyo1954
Like you, I am going to withhold the source from for the time being. If ANY Mod/Admin requests my source they will receive them.

Hi, Gary –

You're refusing to disclose on whose authority and from what source you're posting my private correspondence?

You may find yourself right on the edge of being banned.

I did warn you, and it was a friendly warning – because you may have missed other instances of the consequences of the violation of confidentiality.

Gary, I absolutely don't understand your antagonism. I've dealt with every question you've asked and also responded to you on U2U. What are you trying to do? This is not adding value to the thread.

You may not realize it, but you come over as being destructive and critical and intent on attacking me. If this is not what you intend, do take a moment to preview your posts and read them carefully before posting.

You are doing radio with Mary Singular who charges for her programs.

If you mean Mary Sutherland, she asked me to do an interview – so I said yes. I'd never heard of her before. I received no payment.

Do you just do book reviews for Amazon or do you work for Amazon?

I've done three book reviews, I think. One was for Collins' book, one was for a mountaineering biography, one was for a book about Werner Erhard, and the other was for a comedy video. Many friends of mine have written dozens of reviews. I enjoy books and add value to that community now and then where I can.

One of the four books you did review: Exempt from Disclosure by Robert Collins. (Seen that title here a bunch)

As I've explained on this thread before (you may have missed that also) I reviewed his book as a personal favor. Others on Victor's list have reviewed it and also given it five stars. I would recommend anyone to read it who's interested in Serpo, as some of the subject matter overlaps considerably. If you've not read it, you might find it interesting and valuable. (And no, I get no commission. We've been through that, too. )

You are doing speaking engagements.

I've been asked to speak at the Laughlin UFO Congress in March. You may also have missed that. I'm receiving no payment.

That new list you posted yesterday was known to you BEFORE December 29th, 2005.
You knew that Bill!
And withheld it until yesterday!

Others had made and posted their own lists of team members. It was not rocket science. I had of course read those posts. I even posted a message myself about the "thirteenth team member" which I'd received on the website contact form. You may have missed that one as well.

While the content coincided with what others had deduced, I posted what I was given to post as soon as I received it. I was aware of the apparent "102" anomaly and made a brief statement about that. I withheld nothing.

I don't understand why you don't believe that I'm being straight, have no agenda other than to publish information verbatim, and to promote intelligent discuission. Please take a few moments to explain, and I'd be very grateful.

Best, Bill

Bill,

I wouldn't blame you if you ignored the personal attacks from here on in.

I can see your logic in defense, I also count us lucky to be able to post in the company of someone involved in this directly.

Originally posted by Centrist
Someone only identifying themself as "anonymous" has been posting on this site for about the last month. In each of the posts, they give out a little more information about what supposedly happened in the 1960's, as a result of the Roswell crash.

The most recent post was yesterday -- Nov. 29.

Comments?

(I'm reserving judgment until I've read and fully digested everything that "anonymous" has written)

Okay, now notice that I use zeroes in my SN, so please don't confuse the two of us (as I did, when I read the thread title). A quick glance at my points tells you I'm extra-new. =]

This is my An0nym0us contribution.

The only thing I remember from the 60s was sitting on Dad's lap while Walter Cronkite gave play-by-play for the Apollo 11 liftoff - oh, and Mom freaking out about Hurricane Camille. Ahh...the good ol' days!

Admittedly,

An0nym0us

Originally posted by Enrikez
Bill,

I wouldn't blame you if you ignored the personal attacks from here on in.

I can see your logic in defense, I also count us lucky to be able to post in the company of someone involved in this directly.

Bill has been very gracious about his participation - even when it became very uncomfortable - I admire him for that.

That said - what makes you think Bill is "involved directly" with this??? Bill has an underlying philosophy that leads him to be biased with respect to this information - thus he is a very good "mouthpiece". But other than that, we don't know to what level Bill is truly involved in the actual FACTS of this saga ( IF there are any facts!)!

We do know that he will not release information about his sources, we are told by Bill that he tries to post verbatim what he has received, and we know that he is VERY, VERY good at what he's been charged with doing - creating a lot of attention for this saga.

Other than that, we don't know how directly involved Bill is. And if I'm mistaken, please correct me.

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Originally posted by ShawnnaThat said - what makes you think Bill is "involved directly" with this???

Maybe my diction is under scrutiny here, I may have posted using different words, to make my point more clear.

Bill recieves information from the source. That is direct involvement.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Bill,

I have one question regarding something that was touched upon earlier but brushed aside. Philip Corso wrote in his book that one of the objects recovered from the Roswell crash was a type of headband. This was identified as a device the Ebe wore on it's head for navigating the ship. It seem to make the Ebe a part of the ships circuitry. It was earlier mentioned that the Eben would have communicated through Telepathy.
You even posted about just such from an email that you recieved. Now I recall in an earlier log entry that it said the pilots learned fairly quickly to fly the Eban craft. Now this doesn't coincide with Phillips Corso's account of the engineers not being able to figure out the navigation system much less fly it. Have you or anyone that you are in contact with discussed this as a possible red flag?

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SINGULAR:

Yes and No.

You are absolutely correct in saying that a society does not require an accurate chronometer in order to function (and even thrive)

We did just fine for thousands of years with nothing more that a stick stuck in the ground.

You Do need an accurate chronometer if you want to perform accurate scientific measurements, and, most importantly, (and I stressed this in my previous post) for NAVIGATION.

Yes, many societies today are indeed obsessed with Time, but humanities original obsession with creating an accurate time piece Wasn’t so we would know when to have tea or when to go to work or when the next episode of the Simpsons was on, it was so we could Navigate in the open seas.

Anybody can stumble around and make their best guestament and blunder about, but to actually Navigate with no fixed point of reference (the high seas, the open desert, deep space) you need a good timepiece.

Yes, some ancient peoples did actually get around without the use of a compass or a clock. These people were Adventures and Explorers, not Navigators.

I know a zillion commercial fisherman in the Pacific Northwest, and even with GPS and Cell Phones and slough of other fancy gadgets, not One of them would even Dream of leaving harbor without a clock and a compass.

Perhaps 99.9% of the eben society functions just fine without knowing exactly what time it is…

How does the eben doctor measure someones pulse rate or repertory rate? How does the eben scientist calculate the rate of oxidation of a substance or the rate of acceleration of a vehicle or any number of other incredibly basic things?

Time is Not a requirement for a healthy society.

It Is a requirement for scientific investigation and navigation.

I’m Very Curious how an eben got from there to here without a clock.