Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by Shawnna
Bill has been very gracious about his participation - even when it became very uncomfortable - I admire him for that.

Hi, Shawnna – thank you for that. That's very generous of you.

we also know that he is VERY, VERY good at what he's been charged with doing - creating a lot of attention for this saga.

Clarification, if I may... I have not been charged (i.e. asked or instructed) with doing anything like that.

I wanted to bring to information to a wider audience because back in November I thought it should all be in the public domain. Everything else has snowballed from that – organically, as it were. I've not been driving this. My only "crime" has been to say yes each time anyone has asked me to do something, like give an interview, speak at a conference, write an article, show up on a forum, or post information. Back in November I never dreamed any of this would be happening. Most members know this, I think.

The attention given to Serpo is not because of me – it's because of the material and what it may mean.

My current best guess, as I think members know, is that this is 80/20 disinformation. This has changed since I wrote my long letter to Dr Michael Salla, also posted on this thread (somewhere!) – at that time it was my second favored guess.

My instinct to examine the story carefully is because I've been reading books on UFOlogy since I was a kid and I consider there's massively strong evidence that contact has been made with extraterrestrial species. My interest in Serpo follows.

Best, Bill

Originally posted by Shawnna
Bill has been very gracious about his participation - even when it became very uncomfortable - I admire him for that.

Hi, Shawnna – thank you for that. That's very generous of you.

we also know that he is VERY, VERY good at what he's been charged with doing - creating a lot of attention for this saga.

Clarification, if I may... I have not been charged (i.e. asked or instructed) with doing anything like that.

I wanted to bring to information to a wider audience because back in November I thought it should all be in the public domain. Everything else has snowballed from that – organically, as it were. I've not been driving this. My only "crime" has been to say yes each time anyone has asked me to do something, like give an interview, speak at a conference, write an article, show up on a forum, or post information. Back in November I never dreamed any of this would be happening. Most members know this, I think.

The attention given to Serpo is not because of me – it's because of the material and what it may mean.

My current best guess, as I think members know, is that this is 80/20 disinformation. This has changed since I wrote my long letter to Dr Michael Salla, also posted on this thread (somewhere!) – at that time it was my second favored guess.

My instinct to examine the story carefully is because I've been reading books on UFOlogy since I was a kid and I consider there's massively strong evidence that contact has been made with extraterrestrial species. My interest in Serpo follows.

Best, Bill

Originally posted by WHOFLUNGGUM
Bill,

I have one question regarding something that was touched upon earlier but brushed aside. Philip Corso wrote in his book that one of the objects recovered from the Roswell crash was a type of headband. This was identified as a device the Ebe wore on it's head for navigating the ship. It seem to make the Ebe a part of the ships circuitry. It was earlier mentioned that the Eben would have communicated through Telepathy.
You even posted about just such from an email that you recieved. Now I recall in an earlier log entry that it said the pilots learned fairly quickly to fly the Eban craft. Now this doesn't coincide with Phillips Corso's account of the engineers not being able to figure out the navigation system much less fly it. Have you or anyone that you are in contact with discussed this as a possible red flag?

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Hmnn,
In Corso's book, he says that everything was highly compartmentalized and that the air force, navy, cia, and army each had their own separate research projects regarding the Roswell debris. In fact -- while reading the book carefully -- I was struck by how little Corso seemed to know... while he thought he knew everything.

In other words... I believe Corso' account because it comes across as the memories of a man who was never shown everything that was going on.

PS: Isn't there a part in the book, though, where he says that the USAF had an operational disk at Norton AFB?

Originally posted by midniteracerx
Time doesn't exist. Show me time. Correct me if im wrong, but we created time so we could measure (for lack of a better term) stuff.

I don't find it impossible for an alien civilization to create their own different standard ebe minute. Perhaps their minute is roughly 1 earth second.

I think the problems with Time were much more mundane. Here's a post I made back in the early 100s of this thread.

Serpo and Time

The basic summary of that is, I don't think it's beyond the reason to assume that the Team's time piece's weren't up for the trip to Serpo and once they'd lost/gained time on the "official" time pieces, then it wouldn't take long for them to be compeltely disoriented as for as keeping track of the time.

Originally posted by jonke05
But I too would want to have the data "unfiltered"...At the VERY least (if there must be a filter), the "filter" should be a group of people...not a single person (I prefer to rely on the "buddy system").

K

I agree with you and Shawnna, the filter shouldn't be just one person. However there needs to be a filter, because at the other extreme, if all questions only go to just Bill - then he will essentially be a one-person filter. Better if others can also see what questions are being posed to him as well and which ones he chooses to answer. Not that I distrust Bill - but it's good to have checks-and-balances, right?

-rdube02

Originally posted by Enrikez
Bill recieves information from the source. That is direct involvement.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

/rantmode ON

So... the reporter who broke the Valerie Plame story is directly involved, as well? CNN is directly involved with the 9/11 attacks, right? They got information directly from the source, right? Woodward and Bernstein -- they're to blame for the Nixon scandal, right? They got information from the source, right?

Folks -- this conversation is disintegrating quickly. We don't need "yawn" posts giving commentary on how uninteresting people find this thread. If you don't like it, don't post on it or read it. If you don't have anything that relates to the topic at hand, don't post it. If you have questions for Bill that are of a personal nature, please write to him at [email protected].

This is getting out of hand. Maybe as the one who started this thread, I should chime-in that this conversation is truly starting to go nowhere. If you're new to the thread, please read it. Don't just hop-in and start asking the same questions that were asked, researched, and discussed 100 pages ago.

And PLEASE don't think that after two months of all this going on, you're just going to pop-in an pull the thread that unravels the whole story. We've all tried. We've all failed. If and when the Serpo story unravels, it won't be because YOU don't believe that faster than light travel can occur without time dilation. Or because YOU don't think that there are any possible solutions to a stable planetary orbit in a binary star system. No, it's not that easy. But, many of these things have already been discussed at length.

This thread isn't here just to ask any questions, no matter how rude, of Bill Ryan. It's a resource to be read and understood. What's not understood is certainly open for discussion, but it's unfair to Bill and those with original questions for others to have the thread hijacked by those who just don't want to read (any how many posts have started with 'this may have been asked before, but I don't feel like reading the last 100 pages').

This thread IS a compendium of knowledge on what we know, what we've discussed, and what problems we've found with the Serpo story. Think about that before posting, or very quickly (if that decision hasn't already been made) it will become nothing more than a read-only thread chronicling the best and worst that ATS has to offer.

/rantmode OFF

All I can say is well put Centrist

(I know that's thread-commentary in a way, but I hope it's allowable to some degree...I'll take a warn if it's not.)

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
Hmnn,
In Corso's book, he says that everything was highly compartmentalized and that the air force, navy, cia, and army each had their own separate research projects regarding the Roswell debris. In fact -- while reading the book carefully -- I was struck by how little Corso seemed to know... while he thought he knew everything.

In other words... I believe Corso' account because it comes across as the memories of a man who was never shown everything that was going on.

PS: Isn't there a part in the book, though, where he says that the USAF had an operational disk at Norton AFB?

Yes you are right, every branch had something the others didn't have and I don't remember about the operational disk but that very well could be. I was thinking more along the lines of a Clint Eastwood movie sometime back about a Russian prototype jetfighter that he stole from the Russians.
In order to fire the weapons you had to be able to think in Russian since the jets weapons would react to the pilots thoughts. Now going with what Corso says about the recovered craft, the Ebe navigated thier ships by mind control. So, does that mean the pilot would have to be thinking in Eben? Just a thought.

Well said Centrist.

And now, at the risk of not contributing much to this thread, I'd like to add something.

There was discussion about not bring along a microscope... The text says "scientific microscope". Is this something different? I looked at Wiki and found no reference to scientific microscope, but what if they DID bring a microscope, just not a very powerful (ie. electron) microscope?

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
I was aware of the apparent "102" anomaly and made a brief statement about that. I withheld nothing.

I understand this is lengthy but NECESSARY.

Bill,

I respect you as a gentleman, a friend, and a fellow inhabitant of this cyberworld. I have taken counsel with myself before writing this.

To your thoughts on my banishment: I can only hope the higher ups are in possession of the documents I have, or will request them, so they see what I see. I trust you understand I will not violate my sources privacy in the same manner as you have protected yours. Fair Play?

On the isssue of Sutherland, Amazon and speaking engagements: No personal attacks are being made against you. And if you rwish I will explain in forum or in private what I sincerely BELIEVE happened. You have however, drawn the crowds, regardless of monetary gain. That is a front man's job, a publicist, no?

On the anomaly of 102: I appreciate your candidness. That you understand my point shows your willingness to attempt a resolution. Sincerely, Thank you.

But having that information and not putting it on the table (or even the possibility) led to false assumptions, a chaotic mess with a possible 13th member, and no accurate mathematics by which we could account for 8 returnees.

Would you not say: It skewed our investigative process by your knowing we were being given controlled information and knowing other information, in your possession, would be forthcoming?

Bill, this is ATS. We ARE good at what we do. I take pride in my investigative skills and like many here, enjoy a challenge. Of course, the 80/20 true rule proves we'll never end this charade.

One last item. This from Michael Salla regarding communications, he says:

'I now see the Serpo information more in lines of a fictionalized version of events that has far less accurate information in it than I previously thought. The main reason for my changed position is the communication modalities discussed in the log entries between the EBEs and the human team. It is reported that they communicate via translators, and that the EBEs communicate among themselves by speech.'

And furthers this saying:

'In numerous passages we are told that the EBE's communicate in an EBEN langague, and that a translator is needed for human-EBEN communication. The striking clue for me as to the veracity of the Serpo material is the alleged puzzlement of the EBE translatoer, EBE-2, who often has difficulty understanding the intent of the human team member communicating. For example, we have passages such as:

"I ask her abet the creature we saw, I ask if that was some other type of Eben. Ebe2 seems confused. She asked me what creature. I used the word creature. Maybe that was an insult or maybe she didn't know the word. I pointed to the thing at the other end of the building. She then saw what I meant. Ebe2 said, no Eben, just visitor. Like you, pointing to me."

If we take as an axiom that any greater than light speed faring EBE civilization has developed telepathic abilities, necessary for controlling the navigation/propulsion systems, what occurred above would make little sense. Telepathic abilities from all accounts I've researched are a reliable means of communicating ideas and concepts so it would be extremely unlikely that a genuinely telepathic being would be confused so often as reported in the logs.'

You knew this as well.
Given a forum for an unbiased and open discussion, How could you find these learned individuals opinions irrelelvant, when you trusted them implicitly?

Edit to clarify: You, and others you chose, already knew and dismissed the story with good reason, for many of the same inconsistencies we brought out here.

And yet, YOU, Bill, chose to sell this to the masses pretending to be unaware of the inherent collapse of the whole idea.

Peace,
G








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Originally posted by Centrist
Folks -- this conversation is disintegrating quickly. We don't need "yawn" posts giving commentary on how uninteresting people find this thread. If you don't like it, don't post on it or read it. If you don't have anything that relates to the topic at hand, don't post it. If you have questions for Bill that are of a personal nature, please write to him at [email protected].

since I yawned, I'll respond.

this thread has gone nowhere for quite some time now. there are serious, gaping holes in the story that never get answered, there is an influx of new members who's sole purpose seems to be to move the topic around in circles and away from the cavernous holes and, short of documentation and photographs, the holes will never be closed.

the truth is, I think this thread could, quite possibly, hurt ATS in the long run. If this turns out to be a hoax/scam/disinfo (which almost everyone seems to agree it will), then all we are doing here is helping to spread the disinfo and give the hoaxer(s) the additional boost they need.

incidentally, my yawn, was meant to indicate I woke up, not that I found it boring. On the contrary, I can't stay away. I'm loving the group manipulation being handled by a few folks. It's quite fun to watch.

I want a picture of the crew, all 12 of them, standing around the mysterious 13th crew member who was doa and didn't really every exist in the crew list but who died on the way there in the 12th fishbowl.


Centrist, you have devoted quite a bit of energy to this and your research and attention to the thread has been stellar but even you have to see that you nothing has changed in the story, nothing has been presented that shows anything other than poor sci-fi that even Ed Wood might have read and said "egad, who's writing this crap?"


peace and love, Serpo style

(Credit source) - High Strangeness

Originally posted by Centrist
This thread IS a compendium of knowledge on what we know, what we've discussed, and what problems we've found with the Serpo story. Think about that before posting, or very quickly (if that decision hasn't already been made) it will become nothing more than a read-only thread chronicling the best and worst that ATS has to offer.
/rantmode OFF

BRAVO! Oh - and hopefully this tidbit helps those who are new to this forum, if you click on the search feature and search for "serpo" as one keyword and "---Your Topic---" as the other, you will find the discussions related to your question that have been discussed earlier in this thread - if it has been discussed. You will not see the postings that don't have the word "serpo" in it of course - but it's a quick and easy way to check if your question has already been asked or discussed.

If, however, your topic or question hasn't been discussed, please don't hesitate to add to this discussion - a lot of older members as well as many brand new members have provided a great deal of useful information and commentary to the Serpo story and I'm very grateful for the insights provided by ATS members.

With that said - I will go back to my own research/investigation, and may return when/if something of substantial value turns up...

Until next time,
-rdube02

Originally posted by Crakeur
... nothing has been presented that shows anything other than poor sci-fi that even Ed Wood might have read and said "egad, who's writing this crap?"

Which is why I'm still giving it the benefit of the doubt. If it was better written and had no inconsistencies then, to me at least, it would stink of a clever hoax perpetrated by a creative mind. The fact the info IS so mundane and poorly written, and for the most part... boring... gives me hope that it is actually written by some poor military commander stuck on another world.

My Serpo Wishlist:

1) Photos

2) Names of individuals involved.

3) The identity of Anonymous.

If we get those three things, even over the long haul, then that will be plenty for me to decide what side of the fence I'm jumping off on. Right now, I'm leaning toward disinformation for the purposes of discrediting Victor's list of UFO elites. From his interview I sense that his list is a real Who's Who of the field and selling a number of them on this story and drawing them out into making public statements that it's true and then blowing the whole thing sky high with smoking gun "hoax" would certainly be a "dirty bomb" in the UFO community and destroy the credibility of some of the most respected UFO researchers.

However, I've seen a partial list of Victor's Who's Who and it is impressive, not only for the UFO people on it, but also the highly visible skeptics that are on it, so if I were going to "sell" this story to the American people, then that list would be a great litmus test for how sound the info was. I promise you *nothing* will get by unquestioned and untested for some of the people on that list.

Originally posted by Centrist

Originally posted by Enrikez
Bill recieves information from the source. That is direct involvement.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

/rantmode ON

So... the reporter who broke the Valerie Plame story is directly involved, as well? CNN is directly involved with the 9/11 attacks, right? They got information directly from the source, right? Woodward and Bernstein -- they're to blame for the Nixon scandal, right? They got information from the source, right?

Centrist,

Cut it out. Blaming someone and being involved are two seperate things. Stop being a Edit: Insert derogatory term here and playing a semantics game with me.

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Originally posted by Kruel
There was discussion about not bring along a microscope... The text says "scientific microscope". Is this something different? I looked at Wiki and found no reference to scientific microscope, but what if they DID bring a microscope, just not a very powerful (ie. electron) microscope?

That was my thought as well. I did a little Googling to find out when the Electon Microscop was invented...

The first Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM) debuted in 1942 with the first commercial instruments around 1965.

Electron Microscopes

So, that puts them at their infancy right at the time of Serpo. It's easy to imagine a military commander saying "scientific" instead of "electron". .. and indeed that may have been an alternate term for them at the time. And considering their size and power needs it's no wonder they wouldn't take one 38 light years.

Okay, the staff here intends, I think in my opinion, to bring up something about all of this. The fact that anyone who registers is free to express some form of communication is well understood. The fact that most of the ramblings on are either questions about what the person does not know, or where humans are with current technology, or an expression that something is wrong again with the reporting about this Project Serpo.

The only thing I can suggest, is that anyone interested, explain it on their own website -- there are freebie sites like I have, and if the mods and staff are willing, then I guess, others could read by the hundreds the opinons of all the individuals from their own web pages, provided the staff allows one to give a link to their website that talks about what they think about Project Serpo.

Since I have read about calendars and how humans started keeping time measurement -- let me relate that it was due to the science of Astronomy, and now with oscillating atoms. Simply put, the Earth and Solar System is not a standard, but an oscillating platform that is not rock solid to keep a time measurement with.

Simply put there are a lot of words here, but the form of communication is sometimes not as clearly thought out as perhaps it should be -- and if you can not comunicate your ideas clearly, and with the proper use of words, then perhaps that is needed also.

Clearly to me, this is what makes Project Serpo, such a pain -- the words used, as if that was the way that people related back then or wrote in logs, like in a hurry, and had no idea that first -- you need to know the language in which you are communicating. I find that plausible though, since wars and peace have been started on such words for a very, very, long time, ever since Caveman grunted out some form of discontent on not knowing how or why to do that --- it took years of time for humans to learn anything.

Now, what we have is cutting edge physics discussed along with not really knowing except for what the scientists are willing to admit they think along those lines.

Believe me, I have read a lot of information, but it will not be the same information that anyone else has read, and is different.

This all relates to not only putting down your ideas as the world does nowadays, but that I am thinking or of the opinion that a website is needed.

Now, I know people can post, but does anyone expect anyone to actually read all of this.

By the same token, I have not actually read all of the posts concerning Titor yet, but I know where to find them, but that takes months to read, and there are many such websites to read.

In the end there is only buying and selling as in economic terms, which was also discussed when discussing Titor on the original thread, as in believing or disbelieving any of it.

At least he complied with the request, although, the real question, which came out -- was the physics, and do believe me, the physics was discussed by real scientists and also people who know such physics and science.

Therefore as with Titor, nothing can be gained by either believing or disbelieving, but again, with words thrown around, war and peace is the result of those words along with actions.

Just read the News to see it everyday.
And just as with this Project Serpo, there is nothing to be gained from reading all the posts except where something legitimate is discussed, and not really reading how anyone is feeling today.

Now, knowing that some will be negative about what I posted, and some positive, first, I am not a politician, and am only considering a way, that anyone evolved can express their feeling on the subject - and that may be first -- providing a link to your website and you commiting to writing out your thought about it on your own website.

I only ask that people consider that, and for those members with the approval of the staff, be allowed to give a link to their website concerning only Project Serpo. Although people may want to include something else, then that will give other people the idea that if they do not want to read those other ideas, then they do not have to include reading those.

I guess that is what blogs are also about, and yes, there are free websites also for that. It may not include pictures or a fancy type of website, but to continue this thread and actually have people read it, would be as paramount as presenting the 3000 page document onling about Project Serpo.

That would cost someone a lot of money, for only this Project Serpo, and charges would apply.

I only offer this idea up, for a means of allowing those others who want to post, to make such threads shorter in the future, as opinions may be the salt of the Earth, and everyone can have one, but it is just another opinion in the end, like this one presented here so far!

College is the other alternative given as needed in the future by your President's speech the other day, along with other ideas presented by his speech.

Now, that I have rambled on,
G'day!

We're almost at the 200 mark! Keep posting :>

I found some interesting info at www.greatdreams.com...

There's an interesting post from a supposed military scientist regarding time keeping and the effects of space.

(I don't want to get in trouble by quoting the whole thing here so I've provided the link - Search for 10 November and you'll find it)

I think I might have found a very significant CLUE to everything SERPO:

rickdotyismygod.blogspot.com...

Read the post: Saturday, December 31, 2005 - Oh What A Lovely War

Snip:

...."This isn't a democracy, it's a business." One of the accusations leveled against Jim was that he used his position just to promote his own books and media appearances and while no doubt he might claim he has been quoted out of context, I would argue that point. He is not a sympathetic character and is dictatorial and power mad. If the situation carries on with him at the helm at Skywatch for much longer, there won't be a Skywatch left.

In the meantime, I doubt that Bill is weeping too many tears and in some ways is probably glad to have been made to walk the plank of this particular sinking ship before it actually goes down with all hands. Bill, I wish you the best.

In the meantime dear reader, I would like you to try and answer a question for me because something is happening and I just can't figure out why it is so. Why does Victor Martinez's list attract so much attention?

This isn't some secret, closed, "only for very special people" List, ......

I would suggesting reading the whole entry as it mentions Serpo and other People that are more than likely invovled in all of this.

The link once again:
rickdotyismygod.blogspot.com...