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Originally posted by waynos
Firstly I would say that 8 years is not a long time for a plane to be in service so I don't get why these MK's should be 'battered'? 20-30 years is an average lifespan for a service fighter.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
The MKI contract bears testymony to this. The contract was periodically modified ( details )to its present form and is still open to changes.
The actual contract on the Al-31FP's is for 1200 engines for local production with tech transfer. Again, these contracts are not water tight and can be modified or suspended mid-way.
If I did have an issue it would be the way tenders are being handled by the Defence ministry - i would like to see less emphasis on red tape, kick backs, corruption, political lobbying, etc
Originally posted by waynosThis also ties in with your point chinawhite, about them showing their age 10 years down the line.
Originally posted by chinawhite some development breakthoughs have happened and your stuck building older planes.
1200 engines?. The figure normally stated is for 920 engines. But these engines are only 2D engines which go up and down. When the contract was signed this is probaly the best TVC avabile in 2-3 years later we now have 3D TVC which is better because it can move in all directions instead of placing the engines inward to have that effect as on the MKI
India's Defence Minister George Fernandes laid the foundation stone of a new HAL factory at Sunabeda (20 kms from Koraput, Orissa) on Dec 15, 2002. This brand new facility is licenced to produce 1200 AL-31FPs. It is said that the manufacture of the AL-31FP engine "involved 31 new technologies required to be adopted and mastered" (Outlookindia.com).
In December 2000, the deal was sealed in Russia at the IAPO factory. The deal combines license production with full technology transfer and hence called a 'Deep License'. For instance, HAL Koraput will also produce 920 AL-31FP engines, while the mainframe and other accessories will be manufactured at HAL's Lucknow and Hyderabad Divisions. Final integration of the aircraft and its test flight would be carried out at HAL's Ozhar (Nasik) Division.
For the MRCA tender the Mirage 2000 was dropped how do you think it will effect the MRCA ladder now seeing as how the airforces favourite aircraft has been eliminated. Spilt deal of Mig-35 and F-18s or something more different seeing as how the EF and rafale has now entered the race after so long?. It seems strange that when the MRCA deal was announced the EF and rafale didn't parcipate but now they suddenly entered. Whats up with that. maybe the contract is draggin on the airfroce is looking for a higher performace aircraft since both the EF and rafale were built as a multi-role aircraft
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I dont think that your notion that 'the MKI's that will come out in 2010+ will have the same level of technology as today's MKI's' is correct.
Well the MKI is still the 'difinitive flanker' presently so as to say. Flight International had an article recently about the new Russian Al-41F engine, which it says will power future MKI's
Quite honestly i think the MRCA tender has gone out of control. What was initially a tender for 126 everyday mirages or fulcrums with everyday slotted array radars
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Tuesday, 07 February , 2006, 12:10
New Delhi: India's fleet of 67 MiG-29 multi-role fighters are all set to be refurbished for $888 million by Russian company RSK-MiG.
"The programme is part of the Indian Air Force's long-term plan to modernise its fighter fleet with the aim of expanding its strategic reach, firepower and area of responsibility over the next decade as India's burgeoning economy and regional importance proliferate," a senior IAF officer said.
The upgraded MiG-29s will remain in service for 10-15 years. The programme includes fitting the MiG-29s with upgraded weapons and a new avionics suite, with the old N-019 radar being replaced by the Phazatron Zhuk-M radar. The MiG-29s will also be upgraded for mid-air refuelling to increase their endurance.
The IAF is currently refurbishing 125 MiG-21 Bis and 40 MiG-27ML fighters. These two jets are being equipped with advanced avionics, improved electronic warfare systems and precision weaponry to boost the IAF's ageing combat fleet that also faces a sharp reduction in numbers over the next decade.
RSK-MiG will independently source the equipment that the IAF will select for fitting on the jets. In addition, it will carry out life-extension checks on the upgraded multi-role fighters that were first inducted into the IAF in 1986.
"The avionics architecture that the IAF is firming up will be a mix-and-match of Russian, local and imported systems that are likely to be sourced from France, Israel and possibly even the US ," the official added.
Meanwhile, state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)Managing Director KP Puri recently said that 94 of 125 MiG-21s had been upgraded to the MiG 21 'Bison' standard at the HAL complex at Nasik. The remaining 29 jets would be upgraded by the end of the year.
NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 6: In an indisputable sign that Indo-Israeli defence ties have matured, the governments of both countries have signed their first-ever joint weapons development contract to design and produce the Barak-II next-generation air defence missiles.
The Barak-II will be jointly developed by the Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI), the Barak programme’s secondary integrator Rafael and by the Hyderabad-based Defence Research & Development Laboratories (DRDL), with the two countries splitting the approximately $330 million kick-start investment.
DRDO sources told Express, ‘‘It will be based on the original Barak, but we will work together for longer range, a more refined seeker, a long-range target-tracking system, better downlinking capabilities and possibly a new propulsion system and payload capacity.’’ In a phased manner, the Barak-I and the Barak-II missiles will replace the ageing Russian OSA-M and Volna RZ-31 missiles. Sources pointed to the inherent advantage of the Barak family’s digital systems over the analog computers that guide the Russian missiles.
Israeli efficiency is also a factor as compared to the traditional delays of dealing with the Russians
India ranks high on the list of countries ordering fighter jets, having set aside a budget of eight billion US dollars for 126 aircraft, said Mr Bob Kemp, Sales and Marketing Director of Gripen International here today.
He said Gripen was offering its jets to the Indian Air Force with most flexibility, allowing India to select its own arsenal systems. The deal would also come with most flexible financing scheme to be supported by the Swedish government. ''Our aircrafts are most suitable to replace India’s Mig-21,'' he said, expecting India to place an order of 126 jets with one specific international company. Gripen and the Swidesh government would not have any objection to India adding its own systems to the aircraft, the technology of which is just about 10 years old compared with the American and other fighter jets, some of which were built based on 30 to 40 years old technology.
According to Mr Kemp, India would also be seeking 100 more fighter jets during the second round of Air Force building programme. This would make India the largest buyers of fighter jets.
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NEW DELHI: In a remarkable act of long-range maritime snooping, the Navy's reconnaissance aircraft and spy drones detected, tracked and photographed a spanking new Chinese destroyer and a tanker traversing through the Indian Ocean region this weekend. Sources said the newly-commissioned Sovremenny class destroyer, built for the People’s Liberation Army (Navy) at Russia’s St Petersburg-based North Shipyard, was "picked up" as soon as it entered the Arabian Sea from the Red Sea.
A Tupolev-142M long-range maritime patrol aircraft, flying from the Goa naval airbase, spotted the Chinese destroyer and the accompanying tanker off Yemen’s Socotra Island, located east of the Gulf of Aden, almost 2,300 km away from the Indian mainland. "The TU-142M, with its long-range cameras, photographed the destroyer carrying out underway replenishment or refuelling from the tanker," said sources.
Once the Chinese warships were pinpointed, the Navy kept them under constant surveillance throughout their passage in the Indian Ocean on way to South China Sea. Apart from TU-142Ms, Ilyushin-38s and Israeli Searcher and Heron UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) were deployed to keep track of the two ships. This, incidentally, is the second time in recent months that the Navy has caught the Chinese on the high seas. In December, a TU-142M had photographed two new Chinese submarines near the Cape of Good Hope. The destroyer, tracked by the Navy, was handed over to China on December 28.
Originally posted by chinawhite
The Mig-35 to me doesn't seem like a good idea. its got TVC and what else?.
MiG-35 considered favorite at India's fighter tender
MOSCOW. Jan 30 (Interfax-AVN) - The MiG-35 multi-role fighter has the best chances to be selected as the winner in the Indian tender on acquisition of up to 200 light future-generation combat aircraft, a source in the international military-technical cooperation sphere told Interfax-Military News Agency Monday.
"Licensing of active phased array airborne radars production to India is the prerequisite for tenderers who wish to be selected. It is exactly because of this condition in the tender dossier that almost all tenderers, who submitted applications initially, refused to continue the participation," the source said.
According to him, the U.S. came with its F-16 fighter with an active phased array radar, but is reluctant to issue a license to India for radar production. That is why the F-16's further participation in the tender is not yet certain.
The French Mirage 2000-5 does not meet the technical specifications of the tender in full, the source went on. "Only the French Rafale is equipped with an active phased-array radar, but it has not been submitted for the tender. Moreover, the French are not eager to hand over technologies either," he said.
Sweden's Gripen will most likely fail to satisfy the Indians either, as assembling the aircraft Sweden depends much on very close cooperation with suppliers from other countries.
He also said that the main advantage of the Russian side is the readiness to hand over all manufacturing technologies on the aircraft to the customer.
Source: 19.01.06, Lenta.RU
Russia has transferred to India an upgraded Il-38SD anti-submarine airplane, Defense News reports. This is the first of three airplanes which have undergone upgrade at Russian enterprises.
During the upgrade, they equipped the airplane with the newest avionics complex and armament. In particular, the “Sea Dragon” search and targeting complex, which was developed at the St. Peterburg Leninets enterprise, has been installed on the airplane.
The “Sea Dragon” is able to keep track simultaneously of more than 30 targets which are located at a distance up to 320 kilometers. It is able to detect ships, submarines and even mines and aerial targets. The complex can be linked to the GLONASS satellite navigation system.
The cost of the upgrade of one airplane was 35 million dollars. The contract for the upgrade of the three airplanes was signed in 2002. The BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles will also be installed on the Indian Il-38SD's.
The Samara Motorstroitel’ plant will deliver 6 NK-12MPT engines for the Indian’s Tu-142 anti-submarine airplanes, the newspaper Vedomosti has reported with a reference to the enterprises representative. In the opinion of experts, conclusion of the contract with Mashinostroitels’ may signify the start of the upgrade program for the Indian Tu-142.
In 1986, eight Tu-142MK anti-submarine airplanes with the Tu-142MEh designation were delivered to India which were built at the Taganrog aviation plant. These airplanes were equipped with the “Korshun-K” search and targeting anti-submarine system, which included the MMS-106 towed magnetometer and the “Nerchinsk” hydrologic reconnaissance apparatus.
All these airplanes require major overhaul, during which they are supposed to equip them with new aircraft equipment and the upgraded NK-12MP turboprop engines with the AV-60T props and to install new weapons systems. The Taganrog Aviation (TAVIA) enterprise is the lead on this program. According to other information, Russia has held up this program because of Israel’s interference , who has offered India’s air force the upgrade of the Tu-142 maritime patrol airplanes in accordance with a trilateral agreement with Russia.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
LOL ... Chinese destroyer spooked
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NEW DELHI: In a remarkable act of long-range maritime snooping, the Navy's reconnaissance aircraft and spy drones detected, tracked and photographed a spanking new Chinese destroyer and a tanker traversing through the Indian Ocean region this weekend. Sources said the newly-commissioned Sovremenny class destroyer, built for the People’s Liberation Army (Navy) at Russia’s St Petersburg-based North Shipyard, was "picked up" as soon as it entered the Arabian Sea from the Red Sea.
A Tupolev-142M long-range maritime patrol aircraft, flying from the Goa naval airbase, spotted the Chinese destroyer and the accompanying tanker off Yemen’s Socotra Island, located east of the Gulf of Aden, almost 2,300 km away from the Indian mainland. "The TU-142M, with its long-range cameras, photographed the destroyer carrying out underway replenishment or refuelling from the tanker," said sources.
Once the Chinese warships were pinpointed, the Navy kept them under constant surveillance throughout their passage in the Indian Ocean on way to South China Sea. Apart from TU-142Ms, Ilyushin-38s and Israeli Searcher and Heron UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) were deployed to keep track of the two ships. This, incidentally, is the second time in recent months that the Navy has caught the Chinese on the high seas. In December, a TU-142M had photographed two new Chinese submarines near the Cape of Good Hope. The destroyer, tracked by the Navy, was handed over to China on December 28.
Hmmm...might not be the best idea to take to adventureism with a brand new month old destroyer.
Pak lodges strong protest with India over violation of airspace
Friday February 17, 2006 (0453 PST)
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has lodged a strong protest with the government of India through their High Commission in Islamabad for violation of its airspace and Exclusive Economic Zone by an Indian maritime aircraft and two coast Guard Fast Patrol Crafts on February 13.
Indian Dornier maritime aircraft made a number of low altitude passes over MSS Vehdar a vessel of the Pakistan Amritime Security Agency which was engaged in patrolling and apprehending/clearing Indian fishing boats involved in poaching well inside Pakistan's Exclusive Economic Zone at position 2329N 6735E at 0300 hrs on February 13 2006.
The aircraft again made repeated low altitude passes at about 1530 hrs in approximately the same area. Thereafter, around 1645 hrs two Indian Coast Guard Fast Crafts approached MSS Vehdat at 03 Nautical Miles in a proactive posture with ammner armament pointing towards the Pakistani vessel. These Indian Fast Patrol Craft remained in the vicinity of the Pakistani vessel.
These Indian Fast Patrol Craft remained in the vicinity of the Pakistani vessel for approximately two hours befoe clearing away. A similar demarche about these violations was made by the Pakistan High Commission with the Indian Ministry of External Affairs in new Delhi.