New evidance behind the meaning of crop circles? you be the judge.

Originally posted by Masisoar
These are human made and I can see how, still rather interesting.

www.phidelity.com...

That is true art.

And like many of us said, some crop circles are hoaxes, some are not.

Originally posted by bpletcj

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
One night a couple of years ago, a friend who I hadn't spoken to in about 8 years phoned me up. The first thing he told me was that I was in a dream he had and told him that the Pleiades are in the constellation Taurus. He had to call and ask if that was true. I replied, I have no idea. I checked into it online, and they are indeed in Taurus.

Very strange, almost ESP, but that would be for another thread.

I am glad you said almost ESP. The fact that I had no clue if that was true puts a big wrinkle in the ESP idea. I thought of one explanation, I doubt it is the case, knowing my friend, but...If he knew that information, he could have concocted the whole thing on a lark, just to make me think... well it made me think, and that was one of the thoughts I had. But, this is out of character for him. He is very strongly convinced about paranormal phenomena, and takes it seriously.

I think the idea of an alien race encoding messages in crop circles to communicate is bogus. What could we possibly make of it that would allows us to discuss anything with them?

How is it distinguishable from which crop circles are manmade and which you claim are "authentic"?

Briefly I believe it's due to A) How exact and matching the circle is (in the sense that, everything, shapes.. seem to be all perfect with angles and curves B) Something to do with the stalks not being broken and C) something to do with radiation.


That's just winging it, I'm sure someone has a more thorough analysis or has some links to some sites that explain it better.

I was watching a show about Crop circles on discovery channel.
They made a simple fake one (a large cirle, then a small circle with a line conecting them). But to make everything work like a real crop circle, they had to , use a peice of wood like a propeller to push down the crops into a circle, then basicly flame thrower the crops (without burning them) with some kind of dust in the flame.

Anyway, it took a night to do, but they took loads of preperation before hand.
In the end the next day, they flew a helo over it (for some camera angles for the tv show), when approaching it, the engine on the helicopter stopped, and they did an auto rotation onto the crop circle.

The Dust they put in the flame thrower made the engine quiet.

It IS possible to create an authentic crop circle. But, theres noway, someone could of done this-
wait gotta get link

[edit on 20/1/06 by JimmyCarterIsSmarter]

It IS possible to create an authentic crop circle. But, theres noway, someone could of done this-


[edit on 20/1/06 by JimmyCarterIsSmarter]

Originally posted by 8th
I watched the video quite some time ago.. I found it to be very interesting. A further step-by-step process of decoding the ASCII message would have been very boring, but could have closed up some loose ends for me. And once again, the question, why ASCII? Some of the other designs posted are so perplex, yet so simple. It tears me up because we really dont know what they mean and it just eats away at my brain lol.
What I am more interested in is the 27GHz of microwave energy and the process he had described. Does anybody know if further research has been done? That is a tad bit too high of mircrowave energy to be trying some home experiments anytime soon

Take care all.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by 8th]

Bump?

So I guess no further research on this?

Originally posted by 8th

What I am more interested in is the 27GHz of microwave energy and the process he had described. Does anybody know if further research has been done? That is a tad bit too high of mircrowave energy to be trying some home experiments anytime soon

Not sure what you mean by 27 GHz of Microwave energy. GHz is not a measurement of volume, it's a speed (in this case it would be the speed of the radio waves). Anyway 27 GHz is not an unusual frequency. Police radar guns use it, communications systems use it, military radar uses it, satellite uplinks/downlinks use it, the TV live remote trucks use it, and on and on.

Originally posted by 8th

Originally posted by 8th
I watched the video quite some time ago.. I found it to be very interesting. A further step-by-step process of decoding the ASCII message would have been very boring, but could have closed up some loose ends for me. And once again, the question, why ASCII? Some of the other designs posted are so perplex, yet so simple. It tears me up because we really dont know what they mean and it just eats away at my brain lol.
What I am more interested in is the 27GHz of microwave energy and the process he had described. Does anybody know if further research has been done? That is a tad bit too high of mircrowave energy to be trying some home experiments anytime soon

Take care all.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by 8th]

Bump?

So I guess no further research on this?

Sorry I thought we answered it.

Some MIT students tried to replicate the conditions found in crop circles, they used microwave radiation (used a magnatron out of a microwave oven) to cause the water molocules to heat up and plow the nodes out of the stalks.

And as far as them using ASCII (I know I answered this before), we sent a message using ASCII into space many years ago and if an alien race got our message and answered back it would be logical that they would respond in the same manner.

I mean it would do me no good if some one called me up and left a message in German and I called that person back and left a message in English. I would have no idea if the message I left would be understood, so the logical thing for me to do would be that when I returned the call and leave a message I would do so in German so the intended person could understand.

Of course this is all speculation.

I have no clue what they mean. Even the one with the 11 11 on it. Why now? Why so many different huge complex ones? Why are so many people skeptics, without any research? That is easy, criticizing without studying the subject. the devil is in the details, just like Giza, at first its a pile of rocks, and for some that never changes. The more you look into the views on these subjects, the more anomalies pop up. It gets harder to understand instead of easier.
Crop circles may have individual messages, and if they express a fractal, a symbol, or an equation or formula, then those things are likely the message. As a whole, it is different.
I wonder if it is really simple, like my title, just think about it. The pyramid kind of says the same thing, look at me, now study me, and as you do, it just keeps getting more hard to explain. Think about it. The aim might be to get us to be less predecidedly suspicious, and reserve that until after alot of study. Innocent till proven guilty. Be more Trusting, it may be risky, but a little risk is sometimes needed to move on. No guts no glory.

Originally posted by bpletcj

Originally posted by 8th

Originally posted by 8th
I watched the video quite some time ago.. I found it to be very interesting. A further step-by-step process of decoding the ASCII message would have been very boring, but could have closed up some loose ends for me. And once again, the question, why ASCII? Some of the other designs posted are so perplex, yet so simple. It tears me up because we really dont know what they mean and it just eats away at my brain lol.
What I am more interested in is the 27GHz of microwave energy and the process he had described. Does anybody know if further research has been done? That is a tad bit too high of mircrowave energy to be trying some home experiments anytime soon

Take care all.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by 8th]

Bump?

So I guess no further research on this?

Sorry I thought we answered it.

Some MIT students tried to replicate the conditions found in crop circles, they used microwave radiation (used a magnatron out of a microwave oven) to cause the water molocules to heat up and plow the nodes out of the stalks.

And as far as them using ASCII (I know I answered this before), we sent a message using ASCII into space many years ago and if an alien race got our message and answered back it would be logical that they would respond in the same manner.

I mean it would do me no good if some one called me up and left a message in German and I called that person back and left a message in English. I would have no idea if the message I left would be understood, so the logical thing for me to do would be that when I returned the call and leave a message I would do so in German so the intended person could understand.

Of course this is all speculation.

Thank you, sorry if I didn't catch it earlier. I was leaning more toward the testing of the propulsion method, rather then the corn stocks, but thatnks you still helped out and answered the ASCII question.

Not sure if this was mentioned but the thing I find interesting is the 3D effect of genuine circles.
Stare at a pic of one, like with those old 3D posters, focus beyond the pic (hard to do on a comp moniter) and you'll see what I mean.

Mr.Pit "I can't see the damn space ship" Elaine "You have to stare at it"

Originally posted by 8th


Thank you, sorry if I didn't catch it earlier. I was leaning more toward the testing of the propulsion method, rather then the corn stocks, but thatnks you still helped out and answered the ASCII question.

No problem, glad to help. Maybe I can still help on your question on propulsion method. Can you go into a little more detail on what you need to know about testing the propulsion method?

I understand the MIT students did that particle thing, saw the same thing, interesting.

Were they to set out showing that humans COULD do it or humans were doing the crop circles all along?

And if so, and they were mimicking the particles found at crop circles and such - why (for any reason) would the original crop circle makers even spend the time distributing particles? It would be so pointless if their point was to just make a large complex geometic circle unless they're just trying to duplicate the real crop circle makers

Originally posted by JimmyCarterIsSmarter
But, theres noway, someone could of done this-

[edit on 20/1/06 by JimmyCarterIsSmarter]

A question I have always asked and never recieved answers for is: what makes you say that? Can you provide some evidence other than "well, I can't do that so no one can"?

Frosty, the approach at looking at crop circles and making the conclusion that it would be impossible for a human to make it is the same way we look at Stone Hedge, the Easter Island heads, the giant
nazca (sp?) lines, especially the pyramids of Giza and others around the world.

It just simply.. is awe-inspiring. I mean sure attempts have been made to prove how such things were completed but it just doesn't fit... I mean it sounds good but...

Originally posted by Masisoar
I understand the MIT students did that particle thing, saw the same thing, interesting.

Were they to set out showing that humans COULD do it or humans were doing the crop circles all along?

And if so, and they were mimicking the particles found at crop circles and such - why (for any reason) would the original crop circle makers even spend the time distributing particles? It would be so pointless if their point was to just make a large complex geometic circle unless they're just trying to duplicate the real crop circle makers

At the beginning of the show they stated that they were not trying to solve the origins of the circles (natural or man made) but just testing to see if in fact it could be done by humans. They showed it is possible but cam to the same conclusion as you, why would humans go through all that trouble to do things that can only be seen under laboratory conditions and not even know if someone could discover the abnormalities.


I agree, why would they try to make the circle with tiny magnetic particles that researchers may or may not find?

Not to mention they had to create a huge explosion to be able to distribute the particles through out the circle.

Also even though they created higher concentration of magnetized particles inside the circle they still did not make spherical particles like that which are found in unknown origin circles.

And when circle makers came forward they told of the tools they use (surveyors tape and planks to smash down the circles) they never told of using a magnetron to manipulate the expulsion nodes or flame throwers to create magnetic particles.

There is always more then one way to skin a cat. It would be like telling someone that you traveled from Texas to New York and asking some one to replicate the results and they chose to travel by train when in fact you flew there on a plane.

Even though you arrived at the same destination does not mean the researchers way was the only way. ( I just woke up (I work 3rd shift) so none of this may make sense, I will edit later if I need to make more sense).

And how many times have the circles appeared in a short period of time and no one witnessed a pyrotechnic show to create the magnetic particles.





[edit on 20-1-2006 by bpletcj]

Originally posted by Frosty

Originally posted by JimmyCarterIsSmarter
But, theres noway, someone could of done this-

[edit on 20/1/06 by JimmyCarterIsSmarter]

A question I have always asked and never recieved answers for is: what makes you say that? Can you provide some evidence other than "well, I can't do that so no one can"?

In my view the statement, 'No one has been able to explain how to do it, so no one can.' is more accurate. It is still speculation of course. But it is more than just I can't do it. The evidence is all available online. I suggested doing what I did and entering crop circle hoax into the search engine dogpile dot com twice before, three times lucky?
The links that come up have plenty of detail on the anomalies that are as yet unexplained. It does not conclusively prove that it cannot be done, just that as yet no one has put forth a feasible method.

Originally posted by Masisoar
Frosty, the approach at looking at crop circles and making the conclusion that it would be impossible for a human to make it is the same way we look at Stone Hedge, the Easter Island heads, the giant
nazca (sp?) lines, especially the pyramids of Giza and others around the world.

It just simply.. is awe-inspiring. I mean sure attempts have been made to prove how such things were completed but it just doesn't fit... I mean it sounds good but...

I clearly do not understand what you mean when you bring up all those other structures. But the idea as to how a crop circle can be made has been brought up numerous times and posted. NGC ran a small segment on a show that demonstrated how it is done. A board, rope, people, a crop field, and a plan.