New evidance behind the meaning of crop circles? you be the judge.

That circle is one of the very complex, large, ingenious ones, which are not uncommon. There are quite a few of that high calibre documented. They could be made by people, given enough time and the proper instruction and supervision. The design is nothing M.C. Escher couldn't create. That said, it is far harder to believe that it could be done without anyone seeing, and that none of the people involved would take credit for it. It would be an achievement that would be hard to keep to oneself. The really wild ones like that are also ones that the hoaxers have not come forth and owned up to. Why would they admit to making ones that are far inferior, and not the ones that are truly impressive? That is telling. It doesn't mean aliens made them, maybe something like H.A.A.R.P. was used. It'd be nice to know where they are coming from.

All the things we are capable and you guys dont believe humans can flatten some crops? Look at Manhatten, or Tokyo, and then explain this thought process. I wont rule out outside (alien?) forces, but to say that people are incapable is just silly. They are pretty, and complex, and probably not made by a couple guys and a board, but they are probably still human made...somehow.

Originally posted by DaFunk13
All the things we are capable and you guys dont believe humans can flatten some crops? Look at Manhatten, or Tokyo, and then explain this thought process. I wont rule out outside (alien?) forces, but to say that people are incapable is just silly. They are pretty, and complex, and probably not made by a couple guys and a board, but they are probably still human made...somehow.

Not many here believe that humans can't do this, in fact I believe most are man made, but that doesn't mean they all are.

I am looking at the ones that have codes built in.

Like the one that is written in ASCII, or the one that looks to be an answer to our transmission back in the 60's or 70's when Carl Sagan and some astronomers sent a message out telling the location of our planet, the population and an example of our DNA structure.

I'd like to apologize for my previous statement.

I would like to instead say, humans could indeed make that, of course. Look at all our feats we've managed to bring about today.

As regards to the Crop Circle I posted or some I've seen, I haven't seen any stories or articles on the fact that it is a hoax pulled off by some skilled people.

So indeed, we could pull it off, but with how frequent crop circles are and the amount there are, I would think that there would be a group or a few websites claiming ownership to them with proof on how they coordinated the effort.

I know in my right mind I wouldn't "keep a secret" about creating a work of art so intricate and beautiful!

Originally posted by Masisoar

I would think that there would be a group or a few websites claiming ownership to them with proof on how they coordinated the effort.

I know in my right mind I wouldn't "keep a secret" about creating a work of art so intricate and beautiful!

Really? Most of these circles are acts of trespassing and vandilism. Would you really be so anxious to admit your guilt to the police?

ok....why would anyone want to waste there time working on crop circles for days?....and if they did work for days someone would catch them doing it......
but i found this website....very very interesting...i think you guys should look through it..... www.circlemakers.org...

but i still believe most of the crops are not done by humans

Which goes back, then what's the point and gain of someone to complete these.

I've seen "sand circles" before completed by people on beaches and having a site created by them of evidence - no harm done.

But what I left out in my last post was the part about farmer's being agravated about the loss of crop. But who knows, my theory is with some unknown origin, some human.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by Masisoar]

hmm



but....i saw a crop circle that has the Mayan calendar edges of the circle

Originally posted by Frosty
Most of these circles are acts of trespassing and vandilism. Would you really be so anxious to admit your guilt to the police?

That is a good point, Frosty, and may answer one of the questions that circle researchers have. They still have many unanswered ones before the theory that they are all hoaxes can be considered. It is such a widely discussed and studied phenomenon that I cannot see how skeptics are unable to find any information which shows how unlikely it is that they are all hoaxes. So, the eyewitness accounts of the forming of circles, of which there are 25, are unacceptable, and the in depth descriptions of what is involved in the creation of the most complex ones isn't enough either. When I read the details of these circles, and how hard it would be to accomplish those details, I doubt that hoaxers could have been responsible. Anything's possible, though, I guess.

Why would intelligent life respond with ASCII? Is this the format that we sent our "packets" of info out as? It just seems like a pretty dead language, and I think that intelligent life (intelligent enough that they found a way to our planet, mysteriously flatten crops, and got away) would find a much better, or at least widespread, way to communicate.

Just a thought.
Anyone better versed on the subject have an explanation for this?

While no human will dare lay claim to being an 'expert' on crop circles, for that would mean they would have decipher or solve the riddle of it, do allow me to hazard a speculation, base on our culture and knowledge.

Imagine we have the ability to travel to the stars, and we encounter a blue planet teeming with life and intelligent life. We would first 'recce' (observe) the planet based on what limited equipment we have onboard our craft.

We detect all forms of radio wave signals from a broad spectrum and tune into it. Unfortunately, we received lots and different languages from our own. We managed to break into their media spectrum, and again, there are diffferent languages, all of which are unknown to us.

We move a little closer to the planet, and discover diverse cultures and habitats, but no one acknowledges us or in anything that we can understand with our knowledge and culture. We see all kinds of activities going on, charity, wars, robberies, diseases, happiness. Who should we appear before?

We therefore study for the most powerful landmass who are technologically advance as a choice, but there is a decision of fear in it, what if they choose to destroy us instead? Holding back, we continue to observe more, trying to figure out their culture and language. But in the short time we have, some propose instead to just appear at an open ground, farmland and take it from there. Unfortunately, the intelligent inhabitant we meet are startled or frightened and run away.

We try again, but this time, 'welcoming' them aboard in the hope to learn about them. In the meantime, our communications equipment are picking up on a computerised form of language that is used world-wide. Some proposed using that channel to communicate instead, but because there are so many users, no one will know who is who.

Orbiting from our craft, we see cropsfields, perhaps if we leave a sign there, it may be picked up and studied? Afterall, no one else seems to be using that channel to communicate and we wont be misunderstood.

I know this is a short and leap of imagination explanation, but put yourself in the shoes of a space farer ecountering an unknown civilisation of different culture from us, and perhaps some form of understanding may appear. Never assume that 'aliens' will know who is President Bush or we greet with a handshake. Even other humans have different styles of greetings.

If the cropcircles which have properties inconsistent with physical creation, are extremely complex, very large, and express advanced mathematical theorems are not the product of some earthbased clandestine technology research and development organization, whose ability to do this is still top secret, then I would have to agree that ET origins is a plausible theory. I actually do believe in aliens, if we are alone in the universe, it is a heck of a waste of space. Plus, Roswell and Kecksburg are examples of government and/or military cover-ups of UFO incidents. In some documents regarding aliens, released by the freedom of information act, there are pages which are blacked out, which to me is odd behaviour if there is nothing to hide. Usually if nothing out of the ordinary happens, there is no need for a cover-up.

Originally posted by DaFunk13
Why would intelligent life respond with ASCII? Is this the format that we sent our "packets" of info out as? It just seems like a pretty dead language, and I think that intelligent life (intelligent enough that they found a way to our planet, mysteriously flatten crops, and got away) would find a much better, or at least widespread, way to communicate.

Just a thought.
Anyone better versed on the subject have an explanation for this?

Actually that was what we were using back when we sent out the transmission years ago.

If we encountered a race of people and they tried to communicate with pulses of light, or burtst of xrays, or sign language chances are we would try to respond in the same way.

Also crop circles may be a byproduct of the nasca lines in peru or south america.

Our ancesters saw unknown flying objects, they tried to get there attention by brawing lines in the ground.

The vistors responce was to make designs in crops to signal back to us.


Also there is a phenomena called "Ice Circles" that are formed like crop circles but on ice.


Here is a link : www.nidsci.org...

or this : uk.kornsirkler.org...

'Also crop circles may be a byproduct of the nasca lines in peru or south america.

Our ancesters saw unknown flying objects, they tried to get there attention by brawing lines in the ground. '
bpletcj
I mainly wanted to mention that the best explanation for Nazca plain pictographs is that they represent constellations. I can't recall the book, but one researcher has had some success matching up the drawings with star groups. So instead of the big dipper, they had the hummingbird, the spider, the monkey, etc. Since hot air balloon knowledge in the region goes back to pre-conquest times, it is possible that at one time they made one big enough to send a person up above the plain and oversee the work. Of course, mathematically, they could make them without the overview.
My point of curiosity regarding alien messages is how often the Pleiades is mentioned, since those seven stars have an ancient history in many places. What is with those stars?

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I mainly wanted to mention that the best explanation for Nazca plain pictographs is that they represent constellations. I can't recall the book, but one researcher has had some success matching up the drawings with star groups. So instead of the big dipper, they had the hummingbird, the spider, the monkey, etc. Since hot air balloon knowledge in the region goes back to pre-conquest times, it is possible that at one time they made one big enough to send a person up above the plain and oversee the work. Of course, mathematically, they could make them without the overview.
My point of curiosity regarding alien messages is how often the Pleiades is mentioned, since those seven stars have an ancient history in many places. What is with those stars?

Actually I heard this explanation as well ( and agree it is alot more plausible then the alien angle) on the History Channel "Digging For The Truth" but just wanted to throw out other possible reasons.

I am confussed about your comment about the "Pleiades" question, and the seven stars.

Can you elaborate a little more?

This information may be inaccurate, but it is what I have read. The Pleiades are a cluster of seven stars packed tightly together, I think in the constellation of Taurus. They have had different names over the millenia, but they quite often are mentioned in ancient lore, by such names as the seven sisters. In the Vedas it says that the first books were written by the seven sages. Although they appear close together, they are actually strung out in a nearly straight line as seen from our solar system. So they are not really close, but because of how straight the line is, including our sun, they appear bunched. And I read that they are all yellow dwarf stars like our sun. That might all be just interesting conversation, but still, it is odd. In modern times, if you read the accounts of those such as Billy Meier, who claim ET contact, the ET's seem to most commonly be from the Pleiades. And there's lots of it. So that is a little detail on what I meant. I won't go into how I know it is in Taurus, but it is a weird reason.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I won't go into how I know it is in Taurus, but it is a weird reason.

You can't leave us hanging like that, might as well tell us the story.


Thanks for the info, now that you mention it I have noticed more talk of that grouping of the stars.

So thanks for giving me an excuse. One night a couple of years ago, a friend who I hadn't spoken to in about 8 years phoned me up. The first thing he told me was that I was in a dream he had and told him that the Pleiades are in the constellation Taurus. His curiosity got the best of him and he had to call and ask if that was true. So I replied, I have no idea, they might be, but I don't recall ever knowing that. Then we talked for five hours. Later that week I checked into it online, and confirmed that they are indeed in Taurus. lol bizarrer and bizarrer.

These are human made and I can see how, still rather interesting.

www.phidelity.com...

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
So thanks for giving me an excuse. One night a couple of years ago, a friend who I hadn't spoken to in about 8 years phoned me up. The first thing he told me was that I was in a dream he had and told him that the Pleiades are in the constellation Taurus. His curiosity got the best of him and he had to call and ask if that was true. So I replied, I have no idea, they might be, but I don't recall ever knowing that. Then we talked for five hours. Later that week I checked into it online, and confirmed that they are indeed in Taurus. lol bizarrer and bizarrer.

Very strange, almost ESP, but that would be for another thread.