New evidance behind the meaning of crop circles? you be the judge.

Found this web site that explains crop circiles in a lot more detail then I have ever seen.

I am in no way saying that he is correct, but if you watch the part 2 video it shows a crop circle supposing to be an answer to a transmittion we sent out in 1974, comprized by Frank Drake and Segal.

I am not a big crop circle guy, infact I always thought of them as hoaxes, but after seeing this video I made me think about the subject more instead of dismiss them out of hand.

Link to the web site:

www.principalityofcamside.cc...

Link to the movies :



www.principalityofcamside.cc...

www.principalityofcamside.cc...

They're hoaxes, and there's nothing to that website.

If you were going to contact an alien civilization and you had the power to intercept their radio and tv signals and could read their languages and could even fly to their planet, WHY would you sit down in some farmer's field and draw pictures?

Much simpler just to beam the answer back so the WHOLE world knows about it.

No, I'm not buying that one.

Are you saying all the data is manipulated to fit what the person in the video wants to say?

By the way thats a 50 min video ( when you combine the 2) and you were able to respond in less then 2 mins.

Have you viewed the video before?


Edited for spelling

[edit on 31-10-2005 by bpletcj]

Originally posted by bpletcj
Are you saying all the data is manipulated to fit what the person in the video wants to say?

By the way thats a 50 min video ( when you combine the 2) and you were able to respond in less then 2 mins.

Have you viewed the video before?


Edited for spelling

[edit on 31-10-2005 by bpletcj]

Probably not! I haven't yet, but I have looked in crop circles alot and many are hoaxes, but many are not. Those who dismiss them out of hand as two guys with a plank of wood are fools.

There are some geometrically perfect crop circles several hundred feet in diameter and include some very complicated designs, which in no way could have been done in a few hours by some chaps hoaxing it.

Originally posted by stumason


Probably not! I haven't yet, but I have looked in crop circles alot and many are hoaxes, but many are not. Those who dismiss them out of hand as two guys with a plank of wood are fools.

There are some geometrically perfect crop circles several hundred feet in diameter and include some very complicated designs, which in no way could have been done in a few hours by some chaps hoaxing it.

I agree 100 %, infact in the video it shows some compelling evidance that I have yet to see any where else.

There seems to be a problem with the videos posted on the website.. They are only 58bytes each and in no way are 24 mins and 38 mins long so i see no evidence there.So maybe you can post the locations of the videos as they are meant to be so we can see them for ourselves.

Was that guy boring or what!! he reminded of that boring teacher from a movie I can't remember.. Ben stein I think his name was....haha

anyway.. this guy really goes into details and he seems to know alot about mathmatics and stuff, if this guy is making this stuff up then he's really going out of his way to convince us.Has any other scientist or mathematician confirm what this guy is saying?? The decoded message in the fly saucer,isn't that in the bible some where?

Originally posted by bmdefiant
There seems to be a problem with the videos posted on the website.. They are only 58bytes each and in no way are 24 mins and 38 mins long so i see no evidence there.So maybe you can post the locations of the videos as they are meant to be so we can see them for ourselves.

Its working now.

Are you right clicking on it, or just clicking on it?

If you try to save target it won't work. Just click on it. If that doesn't work then click on the link for the web site and scroll 2/3 Rd's down the page and click on part 1 or 2. The first video is kinda boring and as another poster pointed out he is a boring speaker to begging with. Part 2 is were it gets interesting.


Good luck. Hit me back if this doesn't work and I'll check it again.

Originally posted by thecry
Was that guy boring or what!! he reminded of that boring teacher from a movie I can't remember.. Ben stein I think his name was....haha

anyway.. this guy really goes into details and he seems to know alot about mathmatics and stuff, if this guy is making this stuff up then he's really going out of his way to convince us.Has any other scientist or mathematician confirm what this guy is saying?? The decoded message in the fly saucer,isn't that in the bible some where?

I thought he was boring too, but the material was interesting.

Thanks for the help - downloading the files now ta.

It's interresting that the cropscircles are not just pretty geometrical symbols.. Flowers and honnibies..
But can be analysed to be oxygen, molecyles, and water... Microwave stuff.

The teacher was not the only one who translated it all... He gave some names to more people in the end - that have studied this. He did a perfect job..lol* And i don't think it was suppose to be funny.

But it's kind of scary... Or maybe it's for our own good that this stuff does not come in the media.

I myself have tried to make nice symbols with pencil and strait lines with a ruler and a compass to draw circles with



a Compass.

I never knew anything about molekyles.. and atoms.. Atleast not what they look like. I just made nice circles..

This is interresting - But i think i need a lot of time before i could even come close to understand if this is a hoax or not... I can't jugde it.

I have no knowlegde of the translation mathematical 0 and 1.. But i know it's the basic launguage in computer... Binary codes..

What did he call that translation word...
Was it ASCI table?

Decimal headpain... And secret's again upon secret's...

While i wached it - I thourght - maybe he used to work for some black mathematical project.. Because of he's precise way of talking... And the American flag in the background.
What was the other flag? on the right side?
He was reading while he was talking... Atleast i would be reading if i was to talk like that...

Maybe he is an insider?
LOL*

Originally posted by bpletcj
Are you saying all the data is manipulated to fit what the person in the video wants to say?

By the way thats a 50 min video ( when you combine the 2) and you were able to respond in less then 2 mins.

Like a lot of the others, I tried both saving and clicking and got the 58 bit "no success" thing. So I went to his website and looked around and found the very sincere Maurice Earl Osborne's website. He's the one with the book to sell and the theory. The story behind the tape is pretty unbelievable (mysterious forces break into his house and mangle ONLY that master tape and then vanish but leave enough for it to be fully reconstructed? Really? Why didn't they just take it, burn it, or stop it from being made and why didn't they just arrange for an 'accident' for him?)

I went to see what others had to say:
www.virtuallystrange.net...

I find particularly suspicious his reference to ASCII. We have many ways of making symbols on machines. Why would aliens use an 8-bit computer architecture (over, say, EBSIDEC, which we also used) or any other set of symbols? If they understand us, then why don't they just plop down and communicate? In fact, if it's a response (as they claim) to the Aricebo transmission message, then why didn't the aliens put the message outside Aricebo itself (they'd be perfetly capable of doing that)? Or some place close to Aricebo?

You also have to wonder about the trite message. Why not "greetings, people of Earth. We are the JLKJGND'JJ. We wish to establish communications with your world. We will be transmitting friendly messages to you soon." Instead, they send trite and fluffy phrases that look like they came off a New Age site. They don't misspell things, either, but they miscapitalize them (another clue that this is bogus.)

Dressing things up with a video is the easiest way to get your mind to accept something. You turn off your critical facilities when you watch video.

When you read text, you analyze and examine. Take a look at the sites that discuss him in detail and you'll see just how shaky his stuff is.

It will give you a whole new insight on those videos.

OK I do find crop circles interesting because people can actually take clear defined pictures of them. That being said, this gentleman starts out "OK" but about half way through the 1st video he is already making some pretty broad assumptions. First is that crop circles may have been around for hundereds if not thousands of years. I have personaly never seen or read of any concrete evidence of that. Considering that they started out as simple circles and have grown more complex in a span of ten years, what were they supposed to look like 50-100 years ago? Let alone a 1000 years ago.

When someone uses the word "Exact" or "Precise" mathamatical formations then procedes to show a illustrated diagram as opposed to a real photo with overlay, I start to wonder. I keep in mind that University aged students are now big on crop circles, so I am not too surprised some engineering types are planning exotic math themed designs.

Then about two thirds of the way through the video he is reading formations as if they were mathamatical hieroglyphs. I am no math genious but some of his interpretations sound like he looking at an animation. How can he interpret water seperation from hydrogen in a static display that simply has circles? This is almost like a doctor asking you what you see in an ink blot. It's all open to interpretation. Of course this is just his theory but I can't sit idly and watch him talk in a "matter of fact" manner. With that said, I'm sure that anyone can assign meanings using select formations to support their ideas.

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...if true. The jury is still out on that one. BUT, if what this gentleman states is in fact true, the implications are mind boggling. I've always believed that crop circles were more than simply "pretty pictures" or designs. I always felt that there was something buried beneath the visual forms.

Many ask, "If aliens wanted to contact us, why don't they just do it?" I'm usually assuming that people (Usually ignorant ones at that!) are waiting for the aliens to appear on the news, or land in front of the White House or whatever. Haven't these people been paying attention to the world we live in today? If you were an alien looking in on this planet, would you want to expose yourself to a civilation this violent? What these minions forget is that a.) WE reached out for contact with them using mathematical formulas and equations b.) We initiated the ASCII language of communication with them through the Aricebo message and others (Look at the plaques on the Voyager probes etc...) and c.) It was our scientific community that initiated the "Calls". Looking at those very important aspects, sensible people can derive logical conclusions about these messages.

First, it is apparent that these "Beings" are interested in communicating with our species critical thinkers; scientists, mathematicians etc... They are responding to our communications in the same form and style that they have received ours... glyphes and mathmatical formulas. To dismiss this form of communication outright shows how simple-minded some people can be. They probably realize that the majority of human beings could not cope with the truth.

Originally posted by Indellkoffer
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All that opinion and you can't even get the video link to work?

Watch the video.


[edit on 31-10-2005 by d1k]

Avid crop circle follower here..I was just curious with the first ones that showed up.but when the 2001 ones came along with corrected DNA parameters that Sagan had made in 74 to send a message into space, I was convinced.
The same? or near same time was the alien crop circle appeared..
I am posting this link for your perusal, it to me is the most proof of intervention that I have seen.

www.cropcircleresearch.com...

Originally posted by stumason
There are some geometrically perfect crop circles several hundred feet in diameter and include some very complicated designs, which in no way could have been done in a few hours by some chaps hoaxing it.

State your reason why. What do you mean by perfect and complicated? Why can't humans do this?

The guy was really boring :b I almost felt asleep while he told how to read binary. The subject was really interesting and the stuff shown looked credible. Again something to think about.

Originally posted by Frosty

Originally posted by stumason
There are some geometrically perfect crop circles several hundred feet in diameter and include some very complicated designs, which in no way could have been done in a few hours by some chaps hoaxing it.

State your reason why. What do you mean by perfect and complicated? Why can't humans do this?

Frosty, why do you ALWAYS ask the same questions in regards to crop circles even if you get a hundred answers telling you why?

Fact in point, the crop circle which appeared opposite Stonehenge within a 30-45min timeframe in broad daylight with tourists a few hundred feet away across the road, confirmed by two pilots who do hourly tourist flights over Stone Henge, with no witnesses for it's creation which is impossible to have occured by human method under these variables.

Instead of saying "why can't humans do this?" Offer an explanation of how, in this case, humans COULD do this - without assuming a series of variables which would have to occur for it to be possible.

Some are fake, of course, but some are most certainly not.

Originally posted by d1k

Originally posted by Indellkoffer
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All that opinion and you can't even get the video link to work?

Watch the video.


[edit on 31-10-2005 by d1k]

My thoughts exactly, she sounds like a prototypical sceptic, if a ufo linded in her back yard and started makeing circles in her grass, she would find some way of dismissing it.

My thing is watch the video first before spouting off. I will admit I had the same reaction when I started reading his web site but I held off passing judgement till I watched the video and weighed the evidance.