Stop blaming Al-Qaeda on the London Bombings!

Originally posted by UFObeliever
I find it tough to believe that the security cameras didn't get something suspicous on them. I am not going to make accusations as it just happened today and no ones really knows much about who did it.

I think the security camera question could become a backbone of the conspiracy side to this. It will be interesting to see what they reveal.

Obviously there were A LOT of security cameras operating in central London, it's known for that coverage.

After the demands of some real security footage of the Pentagon crash falling on deaf ears, it will be interesting to see if they decide they don't have to release anything of worth for this attack.

Of course, if there's nothing to hide, security cameras shouldn't be repressed at all if there's something on them.

Originally posted by UFObeliever
I find it tough to believe that the security cameras didn't get something suspicous on them. I am not going to make accusations as it just happened today and no ones really knows much about who did it.

The people that commit these crimes are very well trained in carrying out these tasks. There not a bunch of amateurs, bombs can be easily concealed and it's not possible to pay attention to what every single individual is doing on each monitor.
CCTV is fine but when you've got a handful of people watching entire banks of screens with millions of people on them every day it's unfair and unrealisitic to expect them to pick up the terrorists in advance.

Well sadly it looks like the terrorists are winning and with bonuses because so many of you are entertaining the idea that our own people carried it out.

For all of you that don't believe in these terrorists, there's a website you can go on (I can't give out the web address as I've seen people get warend before due ot the graphic nature), and there a plenty of pictures of terrorist attacks and the aftermath in the middle east. Even a few videos of buses blowing up and stuff so after you've seen that then try and say it's not real.

And WeBDeviL, some of us do appreciate what you are doing, thank you.
I work next to a military base and a lot of our customers are from there and get posted out to places like Afghanistan and Iraq, it's sad what you hear about when they're out there.

The UK is no novice to bomings. The IRA has had quite a number of them over the last 30 years. But this, according to the news, is signature for Al Qaeda.

Like 9/11, they were sequentially timed creating confusion and of course fear.

I understand, that in the UK, they have a pretty extensive DNA database they can reference. Im sure hope that some evidence on the bombs, or in the Bus for that matter, is left that may give law enforcers some clues.

This form or terrorism warrants community activism like I said. Not just guys with M16s in trainstations, but a community heads up until the threat resides and world tensions subside.

My heart goes out to the Londoners and their families. This is another atrocity that freedom needs to overcome for the good of the world.

Al-Qaeda or not, they gotta go.

Peace

The Bell Curve

Some people will believe anything, others will believe nothing.

On ATS, we represent a continuum of thought and opinions that exists between these extremes.

One thing we all have in common is that we talk about these things here, with one another.

People come to ATS for various reasons, but every member who contributes to ATS does so for the same reason: to discuss the issues with fellow ATSers.

If any of us knew all the answers, there would be no need for discussion.

Thus, by our presence here, all ATSers acknowledge that they don't know everything. That means you can be wrong about things -- maybe a lot of things -- just like I can be.

If we keep that in mind, all of us will benefit from it. In threads like this one, this concept is illustrated well.

Knowing that any of us can be wrong, I can respect the opinions of my fellow members even if I think they are bogus.

Why? Because I know that there is always the not-so-remote chance that I'm the one who's wrong. I've been wrong plenty of times before, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

Should this thread have been pulled? I don't think so. I prefer to see all theories, regardless of my personal opinions (I think the premise of this thread is nonsense), given a fair hearing. That allows me to make up my own mind.

I prefer not to outsource my thinking, and choose to make my own assessments of truth or fiction.

My judgment is not perfect, but at least it's mine.

And on ATS, that's what counts.

MI5 may well have known at some point before the attack when to little time to warn the public.The streets of London do not have a communication system to inform the public.It would mean sending Police Officers.There wouldn`t have been time and masses panic would have caused a problem.
When this kinda info is out it would indicate the MI5/6 may well have a contact within the Terrorist Cell.These groups tend to work in small groups independant of the rest.Info on targets and times of attack are not shared outside of the group.This allows them to operate when or if a member or contact gets arrested the rest can still operate.One cell will never contact another so as to protect id.If the Police suddenly informed everybody this would indicate that they had agents inside.MI5 will protect that agent not because of his/her life but because to infiltrate an organisation is extremely difficult.The public cruel that it is last priority over an agent as there is a bigger picture.Everyday people have to be kept out of the loop.This can get confused by people who are to willing to believe there govt is corrupt.

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The media corporations always say it is al qaeda and so do the world "leaders". What is al qaeda anyway? Where is it co-ordinated from? Have the world "leaders" answered this question? The easiest thing to do was to name already present words that the majority of the public is conditioned to--al qaeda, bin laden, islamic terrorism, etc. The only evidence they can come up with is some statement on a website?

The group known as al qaeda may very well exist, but, in my opinion, it has done nothing of benefit for those of the islamic faith, or any islamic nation. It (al qaeda) seems to benefit the respective "victim", or the Country in which the tragedy occurs -- justification for retaliatory force (war), making laws in the Country which place more restrictions on its citizens, etc.

The way these major terror attacks are carried out only suggests that the people behind them are very professional. This London tragedy has occurred, like 9/11, in one of the most heavily monitored Countrys in the world, with world class security forces and intel agencies. The perpetrators of this particular tragedy have eluded detection. Wow, al qaeda can escape detection from Britains intel agecies?

The way I see it, the people like Bush or Blair have no idea what happens under their nose. These guys have bigger bosses. Notice how past US presidents have been assassinated? Some one else controls the show.

What ever this terror thing is, as portrayed by the media and world "leaders", it extends its arm over some of the most industrialized and militarily protected Countries. I think this kind of stuff is going to happen again in the future, that's obvious. The only thing you can hope is that you are not going to be in the wrong place when these professional forces decide to strike again at the innocents of the most guarded nations in the world.

I'd rather believe in a conspiracy than accept what the corporate media says is truth.

The Challenge Of Independent Thought

Originally posted by IMMORTAL
The media corporations always say it is al qaeda and so do the world "leaders". What is al qaeda anyway? Where is it co-ordinated from? Have the world "leaders" answered this question? The easiest thing to do was to name already present words that the majority of the public is conditioned to--al qaeda, bin laden, islamic terrorism, etc. The only evidence they can come up with is some statement on a website?

My advice, if these things are unknown to you, is to research them, rather than waiting for world leaders to educate you. If you're waiting for politicians to tell you the truth, you're in for a very long wait.

Once you have thoroughly researched Al Qaeda for yourself, you will not be free of questions by any means, but you may at least move beyond the basic bewilderment you are expressing here, and be able to post opinions which carry more weight.

There is no shortage of information on the subject of Al Qaeda and its history, but is is up to you to look at it and make your own decisions. To do otherwise is to fall into the very same trap you accuse others of falling into.

The truth is out there, but it is only available to those who seek it. Lies, on the other hand, are routinely delivered to your door.

My advice is to look into all this and see for yourself what is fact and what is fiction. Once you have done that, you will never look at the world the same way again.

Originally posted by WissNX01

Will another war solve all our problems? I don't think so.

It will if our enemies are dead.

Its the most infamous comment ive heard lately.

Bomb/Invade 2 countries (iraq, afeg) to track a few terrorist was an excuse in your view ?

What now, invade Iran ?

About AQ and London, just few minutes after the attacks ended they were already talking about AQ.....this is insane.

Originally posted by IMMORTAL
The perpetrators of this particular tragedy have eluded detection.

that remains to be seen as every street, underground station and bus in london has cameras monitoring constantly - whoever did this WAS FILMED AND PHOTOGRAPHED MANY TIMES - do not doubt that at all. however, if it turns out lots of cameras were not working or they claim they still do not know who planted them after studying the cctv then you know this has been covered up.

what gives me a little more faith that the guilty persons may be caught is how the uk police have handled this - the tube and bus evidence is being forensicly examined, not being moved until it has been investigated thouroughly and definatly not packed up and shipped off to china at the first opportunity. but then it is a criminal offence to remove evidence from the scene of a crime isnt it?

I read somewhere that there are 15000 cameras on the underground. There must be some indication somewhere, but thats a heck of a lot of data to go through.

The tube bombs were on timers, so I read, so they could have been put on at any time, in a number of stations.

The best chances seem to come from 3 they found that hadn't exploded, as they may have prints and dna on them.

ONly luck will see a breakthrough soon.

Originally posted by Netchicken
The best chances seem to come from 3 they found that hadn't exploded, as they may have prints and dna on them.

i think the bus is the most likely to contain any evidence to catch the person as whoever planted it was filmed entering and leaving the bus. the fact the bus was re-routed on a diversion may give clues as to how the other bombs were planted - i suspect that the bomb was not meant to be on the bus but taken into an underground station and when the person carrying it realised that they were not going to make it in time before the timer went off, that they got off the bus & left the bomb on it.

witnesses say that a phone box nearest the bus had its handset removed by the police and taken away for examination so it is possible the bomb was either detonated from there or the person used it to phone someone to say plans had been changed due to bus diversion.

You are right Justyc

A clarification was made by the source providing this information, noting that "one of the bombers who is believed to be involved in this attack was recently released from the prison at Guantanamo, Cuba." The source did not elaborate about how the suspect was reportedly identified so early, although suggested he was onboard bus 30 that exploded outside of the British Medical Association at 9:47 local time. We are continuing our investigation.

www.homelandsecurityus.com...

All ready 1 of the non existant AQ has been found.

Originally posted by Netchicken
All ready 1 of the non existant AQ has been found.

Obviously a CIA patsy. Possibly even mind controlled.

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Obviously a CIA patsy. Possibly even mind controlled.

makes you wonder though doesnt it - are they programming the detainees to become bombers and then releasing them so they can be triggered at a later date when it suits them to have an outrage? hmmmm

Yup your dead right, mind control of Muslim extremists suicide bombers by CIA agents is really common at the moment. Considering the popularity of suicide bombers in Iraq, I guess the CIA are producing them on a factory line.

Of course you have some corroborating evidence to back up your assertions? Or just babble?

He he, I was pulling yer leg!

We could go round and round like we are all day, and much as I enjoy it, I don't think we are going to progress very far.
Can we agree to disagree. I don't believe the official line at all, you do (I think), and by the looks of things, it is not going to be easy for either party to dissuade the other. Thats OK. If nothing else, it makes for a lively debate, and I don't think the discussions have been TOO distasteful. You should try some of the football 'supporter' websites...some of the things said on these sites make my hair stand on end!

LOL KhieuSamphan you got me!

Yeah you are right, I guess we can agree to disagree
I too like the debate.

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Just came to say that the documentary is GREAT! .. No matter if u believe conspiracies or not. It just gives good info about war over communism etc. which in prior i had very little knowledge. Now i understand the consept "cold war"
Please ppl. Watch the document.
I´m still not jumping conclusions if it was al qaida or not because my point of view is that this whole terrorism ideal is just to scare people so military powers could be "justifiedly" awaken. Which have already happened.
Don´t let this thing build hatred. I have seen here in Finland when somalian refugees flocked here to safety from the civil war. Now iraqis are doing the same, family after family have come to seek refuge from here. Same thing with kosovo.
And we give them refuge, we are small nation and doing moderated progress at world, little influence but we have our freedom and independence which was gained throught big sacrifices during both world wars. And i´m trying to compare the situation in states to our country. In here there have never been problems with any ethnic group. When they start living here they get the idea that people want to just work and live good life. And they also have the idea what would happen if that scary islam against western would fullfill at here.(no we wouldn´t attack somewhere, there would be just awfull lot of lynching at the streets. When people go here berserk it´s out of control)
But to this point it hasn´t happened. People are just happy to be here.
I´m trying to say here that i´m sorry if my views of iraq war are demoralizing to good people of usa. I would be pissed off if my country men would be dying and people said that it´s wrong and they got what deserved.
But that´s life today. I blame governments, not people. We if any nation know how #ty war is. Lost half our people defending this country against ussr.
And if u look the middle east conflict i have to say that they must feel similar feeling for them as our country feeled when russia came with full arsenal. No bloody chance but have to try anyway. In our case it surely was worth it, we beated them with zero to million chances.
Big country attacking theirs. Bad example would be rest of world attacking states but u got the idea. It´s hard to be on both sides really . I´m sad because soldiers after soldiers go on to uncertain death in some distant place which really isn´t their problem so to speak.
And equally sad i´m for those people living in center of all the #. The oridinary people who just want to work and try to live good life, it must be hard when your own people in religious fanaticity blow up things. Still so hard to understand.
Maybe it´s the thing that they say in the documentary. Jihad + the idea that western world "polluted" their religion and middle east so their own people are corrupted also. Hard to understand if not islamic.
peace and prosperity, hope we can make a change. It´s a slim chance but one must try or die trying. I will not stop posting here my views until peace comes or some kind of truth shall let the world free. War is never answers, only reasonable thinking. If the fact is that there are islamic fundamentalists whose cause for living is to die at martyric suicidal explosien. Then answer is to get those people realize that there are more problems to be solved than that, and it would need an step forward from western alliance.

Like israel and palestinians, it´s clear that palestinians are so bloody pissed that they wouldn´t never start peace. But if israelis would take the hero step towards them and say "we are tired to this violence, we apologize and kindly ask you to live with us as neighbours". Maybe somekind of progress would happen. But always when peacetalks are starting either side does something stupid and it starts from beginning. Only people who suffer from this are those who wouldn´t want it to happen anyway.
peace and prosperity.
-aape