Knights of Columbus creepy ceremony

Originally posted by southerndemolay
you mean defend catholasism.

I assume, of course, you mean "Catholicism". You DO realize that Catholics are Christian, right? Just checking because your post makes it sound like you don't. To defend Baptists would also be to defend Christianity, not just to defend Baptist-ism...or is it "Baptistery?"

Congratulations on having been a DeMolay. Great organization. The Columbian Squires are too, by the way.

The DeMolays in our area come to our Knights Templar meetings once a year and perform either the Initiatory or the DeMolay Degree for us. Very impressive.



[edit on 21-8-2008 by senrak]

[edit on 21-8-2008 by senrak]

reply to post by Rasputin13


I went through the 1st degree ceremony 2 years ago, and there was nothing scary about it. I also did the 2nd and 3rd degree and it was a beautiful ceremony. It opened my eyes to such things to my own prejudices and the way I judged people. I changed after that ceremony and many of the lessons I will never forget. I like to think it made me a better person. I don't know why your father thought it was scary. There is singing and prayer and it is a very nice ceremony. Before joining the Catholic church I was a Mason. I can promise you those ceremonies are scary, including the oaths I had to take. One thing about the Knights, the ceremony is supposed to be kept secret, but only because of the character lessons a man learns. If he knew what was coming, it would not have the same impact. I can assure you though that there was no threat of violent death for revealing the ceremony like the Masons did. Email me if you want to discuss this further at *snip*
I am sorry about the loss of your father. I know how difficult that can be.

MOD EDIT: personal information removed

[edit on 1-9-2008 by DontTreadOnMe]

reply to post by akilles


Dude, you do know that the primary function of the KofC is a Catholic charity organization for men, its not some college Greek Fraternity or a malicious cult. The ritual is kept secret to preserve the meaning and effect behind it.

My dad had me join when I was 18 - He told me "ahh we go through some ritual stuff but when we are done we will go to the BAR- @ THE kINGHTS OF COLUMBUS HALL- and have a beer. ( hmm a bar at this lode that is supposed to glorify God? - oh ya alot of gambling too...

The night was one of the most "evil" things I have ever been a part of- after they took the hood off my head - they were all in robes and kkk looking outfits and I thought WOW This looks like a devil meeting-
Of course they said I would be slit in the gut if I ever said anything about this meeting - well - I am no longer catholic "thank God"!

If anyone thinks this is a joke it is not - run from the K OF C AND READ YOUR BIBLES - Get to a "real" bible believeing church and turn your life over to Christ.
Jesus is the only way.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


Can you tell us what happened in these rituals or do you not want to waste the ceremony for the next guy that joins?

The Knights of Columbus have Four Degrees of membership.

Explain what Degrees are.

There are four degrees within the Knights of Columbus. Each degree ceremony imparts a lesson on the Order's core virtues of Charity, Unity, Fraternity and Patriotism.

Fourth Degree exemplification or degree ceremony imparts a lesson on the virtue of patriotism. The primary purpose of this degree is to foster the spirit of patriotism in members and the community at large and encourage active Catholic citizenship.

The secret ceremonies for each degree are a experiential group encounter of exemplification of the specific virtue of that particular degree.

I have been a Knight for Thirty five years.

Originally posted by fmcanarney
The Knights of Columbus have Four Degrees of membership.

Explain what Degrees are.

There are four degrees within the Knights of Columbus. Each degree ceremony imparts a lesson on the Order's core virtues of Charity, Unity, Fraternity and Patriotism.

Fourth Degree exemplification or degree ceremony imparts a lesson on the virtue of patriotism. The primary purpose of this degree is to foster the spirit of patriotism in members and the community at large and encourage active Catholic citizenship.

The secret ceremonies for each degree are a experiential group encounter of exemplification of the specific virtue of that particular degree.

I have been a Knight for Thirty five years.

Do you care to reply to the bit about the gut getting slit which a former fellow Knight has posted above or is this blood Oath a lie.

Where does the patriotism lie as i know Roman Catholics in Britain are not patriotic to Queen and country. I would say the were very unpatriotic and would like Britain and America to be Roman Catholic as in the Popes Dream.

[edit on 28-9-2008 by orangeman dave]

Maybe he had the beer before he went to the degree not after.
Maybe the slit gut comment was jokingly, maybe intoxication of both the initiate and member. Maybe the anonymous poster is lying, sensationalixing or neds to be on medication.
I do not really care. If it Was "EVIL" or "SCARRY" to him then maybe he is the one who needs to divulge the contents and process of the meeting.


The degrees exemplify a virtue, charity, unity, fraternity and patrioic.
The KOF was begun in America.
I do not have knowledge of KOC in Britian. However being patriotic to Britian if KOC exists in Britian is reasonable.

reply to post by fmcanarney


They are called the Knights of St Columba in Britain.

findarticles.com...

It seems that most of the stuff on the internet has been deleted and all i could find is this counter propoganda.

[edit on 28-9-2008 by orangeman dave]

You are correct, I googled Knights of St. Colombo and got four hits.
Never the less, the gut slitting comment, if it happened, is hilarious, due to the fact that he probably still believes it and is now as then unable to have a balanced sense of humor.
Besides he is anonymous and is probably too scared to open an account.

It is nice to see that there are several members of the Knights of Columbus in this forum, and I'm happy to see input from my brothers on various threads posted about the K of C. I am also enthralled to see that no K of C members, or former K of C members have come out and explicitly described the ceremonials of the order. As members of our honoured order, you know what it means to keep our ceremonials secret to outsiders.

There are some documents on the internet that claim to be the ceremonials of the order, and I am not at liberty to say whether or not there is any similarity to the actual degree ceremonies, however I can state that they are indeed false documents.

VJ

Hello Chief Counsellor

I´m also glad to see Brother Knights in this forum, and I enjoy your posts. Hpe to see more of you.

I Have a friend who is a police officer and he busted a house which belonged to a Knight of St Columba member British Equivalent of Columbus and the paperwork he found was about infiltrating Protestants and wicked oaths i believe the ceremonail workings were their also.

I will have to get in touch with him and get the stuff and post it on here. The Stuff stated on the Websitwe is true as it was a former member that gave all the documentation to a fellow after he became an Evangelical Christian.

I wouldnt trust this organisation with anything or indeed anything that is run by the Vatican it is the biggest corruption and mass murderer on this planet!

Anyone wishing a read about their evil deeds click on this site www.spirituallysmart.com...

Let the Sir Knights come back and defend mother Church now after those attrocities, how anyone beautify a mass murdering Priest its totally beyond me, and not see fit to let a Priest Marry but see fit to let him return to work or ship him off to another parish after he has sodomised a little boy!

reply to post by fmcanarney


I personally loved the gut-slitting comment.
I can honestly say that I too spent hours looking for even the slightest notion of what was going on in these ceramonies, anything that could help prepare me for what I was about to go through. In the end I thank God that I never found a thing. I can say with 100% certainty that if I or anyone in my initiation group had known ahead of time what to expect, it would have meant nothing to any of us. This might be a repost, beacsue I didin't read through all 7 pages of this conversation as of yet, but to the numerous people who are finding this post because they want to know the answers before the question, Stop looking. First off you aren't going to find it, and second, trust me you don't want too. I became a third Degree Knight only this past weekend, and if being a member of the K of C is half as enlightning as the initiation, I'm in for a great ride.

Dave

reply to post by Rasputin13


Why would you want to take part in Catholic communion if you are not IN communion??? Agreeing to ALL the teachings, etc??? Like saying... I want to have American benefits but don't want to be a citizen.

reply to post by Rasputin13


There's nothing scarry about the soo called "initiation"... (unless he was afraid that he would meet the legendary "goat" ... ) lol

Seriously,
It's only a "welcome ceremony" with a thematic related to the following moral value: Charity, Fraternity, Unity, Patriotism, which is based on "mutual respect"

Whenever you ear about some "wierd info", it's just a running gag between knights who have fun while watching the puzzled face of those who try to figure out "what is the initiation"...

Btw, there is no goat... that rumour is only to get new member nervous & puzzled... Honest, I swear.. honesly... there is no goat...

(information? ... or disinformation?)

youthministryideas.net...

Whew!! Everyone's got an idea or an opinion about my Organisation the Knights of Columbus!
I have been a 3rd degree member of the Knights of Columbus for 25 years and I can honestly say that my initiation into the organisation 25 years ago was an event that I will remember for the rest of my life!!
I served for eight years in a special fighting unit of the Military and I experienced stuff that would be best forgotten,but what I experienced during my initiation of the Knights of Columbus has convinced me and every other Knight who went through the Intiation to never reveal our initiation rituals and never to be forgotten, '' NEVER ''
What I and every other Knight witnessed and experienced could never be shared with anyone!!
Some join the brotherhood out of curiosity,but never make it through to the end!!
I can honestly tell you that no one and I mean no one who makes it through comes out of their unchanged!!!!!!!
Police have infiltrated our ranks to investigate our secret rituals just to find out after, that they also have become one of us forever and ever.
You will never, never find a living breathing man on this earth who will spill the beans about what really happens to you when you go through our intiation to become a 3rd degree Knights of Columbus!!
The 4th degree is a special degree that not all Knights reach!!
I have been a 3rd degree Knight for 25 years and probably will never have enough nerve to reach 4th degree!!!!!
You must be someone extremely deserving and have shown without a doubt throughout the many years of Brotherhood that you are woven from the same cloth as your fellow 4th degree Brothers!!
One sure way of finding out what happens during a Knights of Columbus initiation is to join, that's if you have what it takes!!!!!!!
Think about it before you sign on the dotted line!!!!
Don't join just to find out what is going on, because you will be disappointed.
It's for life!!!!!!! You never leave even when you think your out!!!!
Once a Knight - Always a Knight!!
Think about what I just wrote and seriously ask yourself why hundreds of thousands of Men from all walks of life, members of the KofC across the world will never,never tell or expose the truth behind the secret initiation of the Knights of Columbus!!
There is no other organisation in the world that has kept it's inner workings such a well guarded secret!!!!!! ( Think about it!! )
Here is some facts: We are one with the Vatican! We are guided and led by the most powerful man that ever walked this earth!
Every new comer or candidate will see the Bones, but never know who they belonged to!!
Every new comer will take the oath of secrecy and swear never to tell!!
Every new comer will experience the darkness only to be led into the light by his fellow Brothers!
There are a host of trials, tribulations, fabrications and revelations to experience, only the strong will make it through to the end of the initiation to finally begin a long journey among the Brotherhood.
An initiation which will never be revealed or copied by anyone in this life!!
Were always looking for that someone special! Look for us in your community, were eager to show you our initiation!!

Francesco Dilavolta 3rd degree member/Soldier
Knights of Columbus, Brooklynn NY

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


Of course the Catholic Church compiled the bible. But that's just a detail. They put the book together--but of course they don't believe what it says. That makes a lot of sense.

reply to post by The Axeman


The K of C degree ceremonials are secret, but I think that's just in the tradition of a fraternal organization. It's supposed to form a bond among the Knights. It's all very ritualistic, with certain gestures and so forth, but there is nothing scary about it. The actual meetings of K of C councils are regular business meetings, and there really is no secrecy involved in those. As a Knight, I often wonder about the need for all the ritual and the secrecy, because I don't get into it, but the organization is over 100 years old, and I understand the ritual dates back to the beginning.