Why do some people feel the need to post outright lies about Masons and Masonry?

Originally posted by pepsi78
...in the bible says do not make icons simbols of heavens or god and it states in the bible that it really rong to do that...

Tell me Pepsi, what does the Bible say about that...? Quotes, if you please.

Here's my take: Freemasonry, has long been a topic I want to expound on further details on ATS(Note: Watch out ! It's coming soon!) lol

Anyway back to my rant: Freemasonry, has not proven, by far that it's superior to all religions has not proven it worships Seth or Satan(according to ancient lit) It has not proven that it's not in a conspiracy to take over the world, Has not proven that it deceptive in it's nature. Has not proven, that being in the brotherhood improves your spiritual life. Has not proven where it came from, and i can assure that it has not directly descended from the Knight Templars or ancient egypt(although it borrowed the symbols) Oh it's a fraternity with a dark cloud over it.

i cant remember the paragraf or where it was put has the bible you too know is very big but it is there axeman i have seen it my self.
it says about icons simbols that represent god or haven, it says people should not make them.
Masonari has simbols that represents god has you say the eye is a simbol of god

here i made a effort
They cite Exodus 20:4-5
You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God. . . .

I guess if cristian religion is rong too not only masonari art has you call it

Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by pepsi78
...in the bible says do not make icons simbols of heavens or god and it states in the bible that it really rong to do that...

Tell me Pepsi, what does the Bible say about that...? Quotes, if you please.

I hope and pray that someone answers this post. It is about what does it say about that in the bible. Ok I think Pepsi may have read Deuteronomy 5:8 and that could be where he got it from. That is part of the Ten Commandments. It says "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."

That is corect so god is in heaven so they made the eye ball
not only masons are rong but i guess cristian religion too.
But this is a post about masons and there is a error lets open up the bible shall we and look for more stuff

Originally posted by faltor12001

Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by pepsi78
...in the bible says do not make icons simbols of heavens or god and it states in the bible that it really rong to do that...

Tell me Pepsi, what does the Bible say about that...? Quotes, if you please.

I hope and pray that someone answers this post. It is about what does it say about that in the bible. Ok I think Pepsi may have read Deuteronomy 5:8 and that could be where he got it from. That is part of the Ten Commandments. It says "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."

looks to me that they broke the 10 comendmens
so any conclusions?

Originally posted by crusader


Anyway back to my rant: Freemasonry, has not proven, by far that it's superior to all religions has not proven it worships Seth or Satan(according to ancient lit) It has not proven that it's not in a conspiracy to take over the world, Has not proven that it deceptive in it's nature. Has not proven, that being in the brotherhood improves your spiritual life. Has not proven where it came from, and i can assure that it has not directly descended from the Knight Templars or ancient egypt(although it borrowed the symbols) Oh it's a fraternity with a dark cloud over it.

Lets look at it the logical way shall we? You can't prove a negative.

If I took your statement and changed it slightly:

"Crusader, has not proven, by far that he's superior to all religions has not proven he worships Seth or Satan(according to ancient lit) He has not proven that he's not in a conspiracy to take over the world, Has not proven that it deceptive in it's nature. Has not proven, that being in the brotherhood improves your spiritual life. Has not proven where he came from, and i can assure that he has not directly descended from the Knight Templars or ancient egypt(although it borrowed the symbols) Oh it's an ATS poster with a dark cloud over him."

Prove to me that you are none of the above!!! You can't!!!
What you can do is give me evidence that you aren't some nefarious little conspirator out to conquer the world and make all our cornflakes go soggy, but you can't absolutely prove that to me can you? All you can do is post evidence that suggests otherwise.
Your statement is much the same. You can be given evidence that Freemasonry isn't as evil as you obviously think it is, but it can never be proven otherwise. Nothing can. Things have to be looked at with logic. Not in the way that you have done above.

Originally posted by pepsi78
That is corect so god is in heaven so they made the eye ball
not only masons are rong but i guess cristian religion too.

But this is a post about masons and there is a error lets open up the bible shall we and look for more stuff

Yes I too believe that there are errors in both masonry and Christian religion. But I do not feel it beneficial to bash anyone with the Word. I was just making a point of information. No matter if masonry is wrong or not, I feel it necessary to follow the ways of Love. I don't believe the Good Lord would want us doing the bashing thing. Prayer,Love,and Faith will be the winning elements. I have read and heard many bad things about masonry. Most of the Conspiracy stuff I have found I don't beleive. However the Oath I read in an earlier post does disturb me some. However, I am not here to judge. That is God's job and not mine.

This whole conversation from page 1 until now has been educational. One question I do have though is if there is a difference between mason and freemason. Can anyone tell me the answer to that.

Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by crusader


Anyway back to my rant: Freemasonry, has not proven, by far that it's superior to all religions has not proven it worships Seth or Satan(according to ancient lit) It has not proven that it's not in a conspiracy to take over the world, Has not proven that it deceptive in it's nature. Has not proven, that being in the brotherhood improves your spiritual life. Has not proven where it came from, and i can assure that it has not directly descended from the Knight Templars or ancient egypt(although it borrowed the symbols) Oh it's a fraternity with a dark cloud over it.

Lets look at it the logical way shall we? You can't prove a negative.

If I took your statement and changed it slightly:

"Crusader, has not proven, by far that he's superior to all religions has not proven he worships Seth or Satan(according to ancient lit) He has not proven that he's not in a conspiracy to take over the world, Has not proven that it deceptive in it's nature. Has not proven, that being in the brotherhood improves your spiritual life. Has not proven where he came from, and i can assure that he has not directly descended from the Knight Templars or ancient egypt(although it borrowed the symbols) Oh it's an ATS poster with a dark cloud over him."

Prove to me that you are none of the above!!! You can't!!!
What you can do is give me evidence that you aren't some nefarious little conspirator out to conquer the world and make all our cornflakes go soggy, but you can't absolutely prove that to me can you? All you can do is post evidence that suggests otherwise.
Your statement is much the same. You can be given evidence that Freemasonry isn't as evil as you obviously think it is, but it can never be proven otherwise. Nothing can. Things have to be looked at with logic. Not in the way that you have done above.

So you are in a denial that there's something nefarious taking place in FreeMasonry? Are u in Denial Remebr this there are three types of lies: (1) Lies, (2) Damn Lies, and (3) Denial

Originally posted by crusader
So you are in a denial that there's something nefarious taking place in FreeMasonry? Are u in Denial Remebr this there are three types of lies: (1) Lies, (2) Damn Lies, and (3) Denial

Oh come now. I've asked you to be logical on the subject and all you can do is quote that at me?

Are you denying that you aren't trying to make my cornflakes go soggy?

Prove you're not. I dare you.

...in the bible says do not make icons simbols of heavens or god and it states in the bible that it is really rong to do that...
the eye is a simbol a drawing and it means god
i still diditn get a answer?

[edit on 26-10-2005 by pepsi78]

[edit on 26-10-2005 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by faltor12001

Originally posted by pepsi78
That is corect so god is in heaven so they made the eye ball
not only masons are rong but i guess cristian religion too.

But this is a post about masons and there is a error lets open up the bible shall we and look for more stuff

Yes I too believe that there are errors in both masonry and Christian religion. But I do not feel it beneficial to bash anyone with the Word. I was just making a point of information. No matter if masonry is wrong or not, I feel it necessary to follow the ways of Love. I don't believe the Good Lord would want us doing the bashing thing. Prayer,Love,and Faith will be the winning elements. I have read and heard many bad things about masonry. Most of the Conspiracy stuff I have found I don't beleive. However the Oath I read in an earlier post does disturb me some. However, I am not here to judge. That is God's job and not mine.

This whole conversation from page 1 until now has been educational. One question I do have though is if there is a difference between mason and freemason. Can anyone tell me the answer to that.

But isnt masonari above all but thei got the same mistakes than i cant see why they would be better.
And that is on the 10 comandment list so masonary does not agree with god?
And we are not talking here about crestins the debate here is about masons has the topic and the formum is all about it
So you see the eye does not represent god cause god sais it his self

[edit on 26-10-2005 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by crusader
Here's my take: Freemasonry, has long been a topic I want to expound on further details on ATS(Note: Watch out ! It's coming soon!) lol

Anyway back to my rant: Freemasonry, has not proven, by far that it's superior to all religions has not proven it worships Seth or Satan(according to ancient lit) It has not proven that it's not in a conspiracy to take over the world, Has not proven that it deceptive in it's nature. Has not proven, that being in the brotherhood improves your spiritual life. Has not proven where it came from, and i can assure that it has not directly descended from the Knight Templars or ancient egypt(although it borrowed the symbols) Oh it's a fraternity with a dark cloud over it.

First of all, Freemasonry is not a religion, so by virtue of that fact, to say that it is superior to all religions is pointless. Also, Freemasons do not worship Seth or Satan; so again, pointless. Been covered here a thousand times already.

Secondly, you say Freemasonry has not proven it is not in a conspiracy to take over the world; Likewise it has not been proven that it is involved in anything like that, so once again, your point is moot.

Thirdly, the sheer number of men who are members and have experienced the degrees will tell you that it is a very valuable tool spiritually speaking. What I mean by that is that a lot of times Freemasonry is the spark that gets a man more interested in learning about his own faith, and as a result, many people have reaped spiritual benefits from their Masonic affiliations.

And finally, there is a lot of debate about where Freemasonry originated. I’m starting to form a theory of my own, but I have a great deal more research to do before it is presentable. I will say that the most common theory is that we are descended from the Stonemasons Guilds of Europe in the Middle Ages, but I’m not so sure about that. Fundamentally speaking, that could be said, but I think it goes far deeper than that, and I think the coincidences and time frames are too close to rule out some kind of connection, however indirect, between the Templars and Freemasonry. I do not believe that it was a direct transition from Knights to Freemasonry by any means, but... well, perhaps when I get my research finished, I will post my paper. Joseph Fort Newton goes into detail on this subject in his book, “The Builders.”

Looking forward to seeing what you can put together. I hope it’s better than what we have been seeing lately, this stuff is too easy.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Originally posted by pepsi78
i cant remember the paragraf or where it was put has the bible you too know is very big but it is there axeman i have seen it my self.
it says about icons simbols that represent god or haven, it says people should not make them.
Masonari has simbols that represents god has you say the eye is a simbol of god

Ah, OK. So you don’t know what it says, specifically. I see.

Well, after you do some more homework, come back and play some more, K?



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Originally posted by faltor12001
I hope and pray that someone answers this post. It is about what does it say about that in the bible. Ok I think Pepsi may have read Deuteronomy 5:8 and that could be where he got it from. That is part of the Ten Commandments. It says "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."

Yes, thank you. I knew exactly what it said; I just wanted to see if our friend Pepsi here had done his/her/it’s homework. I got the answer I expected.

The commandments say that we should not make idols; that is, graven images unto which we give worship to any god other than the Almighty. Let me state this again, for the record: FREEMASONRY IS NOT WORSHIP OF ANY KIND.

If Masonry (a fraternity, not a religion) is wrong for having a symbol (not an idol) that represents the idea of Almighty God watching over us, then likewise is the Church guilty of this very offense. Almost every church, actually. The Cross, for example, is not an idol, it is a symbol. The fish is not an idol, it is a symbol. These symbols represent the miracles and the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made. They are reminders of what Christ did for us.

I’m inviting trouble, perhaps, comparing Masonry to a religion in this context, but hopefully our readers are intelligent enough to see the analogy without blurring the lines between religion and Masonry. There is no worship in Masonry; therefore it is not a religion. Period. Paragraph.

[edit on 10/26/05 by The Axeman]

You're talking about Christianity right?

Originally posted by pepsi78
And that is on the 10 comandment list so masonary does not agree with god?

The 10 Commandments are Jewish, not Christian. Christ said that he, "came not to destroy the Law but to fullfil it". That covenant has been completed, if you are Christian. The Big 10, while a good guide, do not apply to Christians.

BTW, my biblical days are about 20 years behind me, so I'm not sure of the bible verse I quoted.

i already stated
They cite Exodus 20:4-5 (quote from the NASB '95):

You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God. . . .

if you enter there with belifes and statues icons and simbols that represents god than you can only become worse and not better.
Cause you simply only amplify there what you have learned out side the masonari i didint say it you the masons said it.
you said that it is compatible with god but how can that be when you brake the 10 comandments? isnt it agaist god so how can that mach with god

here it is again
They cite Exodus 20:4-5 (quote from the NASB '95):

You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God

Originally posted by intrepid
You're talking about Christianity right?

Originally posted by pepsi78
And that is on the 10 comandment list so masonary does not agree with god?

The 10 Commandments are Jewish, not Christian. Christ said that he, "came not to destroy the Law but to fullfil it". That covenant has been completed, if you are Christian. The Big 10, while a good guide, do not apply to Christians.

BTW, my biblical days are about 20 years behind me, so I'm not sure of the bible verse I quoted.

the hole bible is for cristians only that the new testament dont aply to Jews
and not the other way.
so how can god be represented by a simbol of a eye when he says that he is not to be represented by simbols
it is the hole bible and it's black and it says cristian bible so duh it must be cristian.

[edit on 26-10-2005 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by pepsi78
if you enter there with belifes and statues icons and simbols that represents god than you can only become worse and not better.
Cause you simply only amplify there what you have learned out side the masonari i didint say it you the masons said it.
you said that it is compatible with god but how can that be when you brake the 10 comandments? isnt it agaist god so how can that mach with god

And I already explained to you how symbols are not idols.

I'm trying my best to be patient with you but you just aren't paying attention...

:bnghd:

OK, let me break this down. God had a DIRECT covenant with the Israelites. That doesn't exist in Christianity. They go to the Father through Christ. You DO know that there is a reason for the Old and New Testement?

Dude, I want to help you out here, check this out:

babelfish.altavista.com...

This is not an insult but this tool may make it easier for you to understand what's being said.

Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by pepsi78
if you enter there with belifes and statues icons and simbols that represents god than you can only become worse and not better.
Cause you simply only amplify there what you have learned out side the masonari i didint say it you the masons said it.
you said that it is compatible with god but how can that be when you brake the 10 comandments? isnt it agaist god so how can that mach with god

And I already explained to you how symbols are not idols.

I'm trying my best to be patient with you but you just aren't paying attention...

:bnghd:

it says or any likenesss any idol or anyother things that are in heaven
that including simbols of god that means simbols icons and so on

remember it says idols or anyother things that might represent haven.
it does not matter if you pray to it or not it says clear black on gray
yuo cant make them