U.S. forces rape, abuse and torture female Iraqi detainees - Including a woman in her 70's!

Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
As it happens ive found nearly the same story at this site :

www.gnn.tv...


Hier a few other articles : www.guardian.co.uk...
www.uruknet.info...

Also while googling a bit i also came up on numerous reports of us female military members who also have been raped by fellow soldiers which does seem to be very disturbing given the circumstances.
One example can be found here : www.alternet.org...

Oh well, now we have credible sources. And here I was afraid we'd only get Aljazeera wannabes doin' the old copy/paste routine. I'm sold now.

This whole story is bogus. More anti US propaganda. Its all they have left to justify their hatred of Americans. I have never been exposed to so much racism.

Look, the American people aren’t any more or less evil than anybody else in the world. But so many of you hone in on ANYTHING some third rate website posts and state it as gospel. Then you start using it to propagate your anti USA agenda.

I must see/meet/bump into 1000 people each day. And you know what? 99% of them are intelligent, nice, polite people genuinely concerned about their fellow Americans and really do want a peaceful world.

But you racist hate mongers wont let that be known, because "nice loving" Americans don’t fit into your agenda of hate.


[edit on 25-4-2005 by skippytjc]

Originally posted by skippytjc
But you racist hate mongers wont let that be known, because "nice loving" Americans don’t fit into your agenda of hate.

This is so true!

When the finger pointing and allegations both true and false are put on someone else, some other country or some other religion then you people will defend it to the death as long as it does not represent America.

Some of you will side to anyone that says "America is evil"...no matter who they are. Hitler, Bin Laden, McVey, even M. Moore..

Maybe you should start thinking and acting on good solutions to making the US of A a greater nation instead of whining all day long on ATS.
(yes Iam guilty of this too....this message is for all of us)

Do something about it, run for office or some trash like that.

We are one of the few nations that have the power that we do.
How about giving are boys and girls a break and work on making it a better place for later generations.

Im willing to bet that bettering American will benefit and better the entire world.

The thing I can't get is that in Iraq, the insurgents are fighting to get their country back from the US and the US are fighting to be able to turn it back over to them. They won't stop the violence until the US is gone and the US can't leave until they stop the violence. That seems about right.

Originally posted by astrocreep
The thing I can't get is that in Iraq, the insurgents are fighting to get their country back from the US and the US are fighting to be able to turn it back over to them. They won't stop the violence until the US is gone and the US can't leave until they stop the violence. That seems about right.

You nailed it. But the "wildcard" here is the small percentage of Iraqi's and foreign elements with alternate agendas messing everything up. They are playing the situation brilliantly.

Build distrust on both sides with random attacks and threats. Let the pressure build and viola, instant cluster f@#$k.

We can acept "happy nice americans." that to us is the best american that ever lived.

If you want to ignore our voices , fine.
Call our sources "propaganda", fine.
Call us cowards, fine.
Call us worthless , fine.
But you will only earn our respect and the respect of everyone if you listen and try and work with us.
We wont be dictated, intimidated, pushed, shoved or abused by you or anyone from your country.

Originally posted by devilwasp
We can acept "happy nice americans." that to us is the best american that ever lived.

If you want to ignore our voices , fine.
Call our sources "propaganda", fine.
Call us cowards, fine.
Call us worthless , fine.
But you will only earn our respect and the respect of everyone if you listen and try and work with us.
We wont be dictated, intimidated, pushed, shoved or abused by you or anyone from your country.

Your entire post is absurd. You automatically assume a higher ground and imply Americans call you "cowards" and "worthless". I bet there are as many people in the USA who dissagree with this war than anywhere else. But that doesnt mean that we will tolererate the rest of the world jumping on a "hate the USA" wagon. The USA does as much to help the entire planet in donations and aid than all the other nations combined. And thats simple fact. But so many people like your selves have such hatred of the USA you can only focus on news and situations that advance your anti American agendas. You are blind to anything else. You are blind to all the BILLIONS the USA spends each year out of the country in aid. You are BLIND to all the millions of man hours private citizens spend over seas helping people less fortunate.

You hate the USA, and you will use any tools to promote your racism and believe anything you read. PERIOD.

Hatred has blinded all your reason. Your statements and comments are blanket in effect, and that means racism. Your hatred of Americans is perfectly clear. ALL AMERICANS

You have voted skippytjc for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month.

Thanks, skippy. His self-righteous sophomoric drivel was the last thing I needed to hear to start off the day.

Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by devilwasp
We can acept "happy nice americans." that to us is the best american that ever lived.

If you want to ignore our voices , fine.
Call our sources "propaganda", fine.
Call us cowards, fine.
Call us worthless , fine.
But you will only earn our respect and the respect of everyone if you listen and try and work with us.
We wont be dictated, intimidated, pushed, shoved or abused by you or anyone from your country.

Your entire post is absurd. You automatically assume a higher ground and imply Americans call you "cowards" and "worthless". I bet there are as many people in the USA who dissagree with this war than anywhere else. But that doesnt mean that we will tolererate the rest of the world jumping on a "hate the USA" wagon. The USA does as much to help the entire planet in donations and aid than all the other nations combined. And thats simple fact. But so many people like your selves have such hatred of the USA you can only focus on news and situations that advance your anti American agendas. You are blind to anything else. You are blind to all the BILLIONS the USA spends each year out of the country in aid. You are BLIND to all the millions of man hours private citizens spend over seas helping people less fortunate.

You hate the USA, and you will use any tools to promote your racism and believe anything you read. PERIOD.

Hatred has blinded all your reason. Your statements and comments are blanket in effect, and that means racism. Your hatred of Americans is perfectly clear. ALL AMERICANS

In case you havent noticed, no one wants your kind of help skippy ol' boy. But dont let that stop you from spreading your radioactive love around the world. Well not you personally, i meant the baaaad americans, the ones that are making decisions in your name.
You must be so proud....

nukunuku,

In case you havent noticed, no one wants your kind of help skippy ol' boy. But dont let that stop you from spreading your radioactive love around the world. Well not you personally, i meant the baaaad americans, the ones that are making decisions in your name.

THANK YOU! I did not know that the US help with monies, food technologies, manual labor, etc were so not wanted! Have you told your goverments that this was so? How about the UN? If so when? The reason that I ask is that just recently, there was a great deal of this US bashing being done by the UN because the US was "stingy" in govermental donations for South East Asia.

I have lived in many countries around the world, Living within the countries communities so as to learn their cultures etc. In every country, in every city and town that I have been in, I have never came across such BLIND hated and ignorance as being posted by yourself and devilwasp.

I give to each the respect that they earn. you and devilwasp are losing respct rapidly due to your unilateral, US bashing. Is the US great? maybe, Is the US totally pure in it's actions Heck NO!.
Unfortunately, These threads by Siroos and Souljah who will only use questionable news source such as Al-Jazeer, who refuse to include any kind of colaborating evidence to back their stories are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing the US of doing, Twisting facts to defend their actions.

I challenge you to actually find credible news sources, note, there are many many arabic / anti Us news agencies in and around Iraq who if 1/10th of these stories were true,you should be able to find a treasure trove of sources that could be used to back this type of story.
Until people like you attempt to back your claims, be logical and not be unilateralling bashing the US and it's citizens, then any and all remarks made by you should be taken with a grain of salt if not out right ignored for the ignorance that you propound.

i know i know, the rest of the world doesnt have the same kind of FAIR&BALANCED media as you do....

To tell you the truth, im very scared of you arrogant pricks, your educational system breeds idiots with little or no knowledge of history or geography and your media and politicians feed on your fear and feed you bullcrap patriotism.
You remind me of the Serbs with their idea of a "great serbia".
"The serbs are the holy people...." said milosevic a million times over and people were so happy to be the "holy people" they just blindly followed him.

You are much the same, you do not question the authority, instead you are happy to belive you are doing so much good and everybody else is just misguided.

that is my problem with americans....

and ill say it before ill say it again, this doesnt go for everybody, just the majority.... unfortunately.

peace

nukunuku,

To tell you the truth, im very scared of you arrogant pricks, your educational system breeds idiots with little or no knowledge of history or geography and your media and politicians feed on your fear and feed you bullcrap patriotism.

Please read what you have posted. Is this not the same exact thing that you are accusing the American people of? You condemn us as being uneducated, blind and arrogant but yet the very wording of your posting demonstrates that the arrogance, in this instance actually lies in your court. You plainly display your ignorance of the "real", "normal" american. You have let your religious fevor (note I am saying this due to your signature), you have accused the american citizen of being lead by the media as well as it's politicians. yet, what you are stating is exactly what your faith, your politicians, and your media feeds you.

What I am afraid of sir is of people who blindly follow the hatemongers and their "bullcrap patriotism". People who blindly make such decsions are the sheep and the cannon fodder that can and will be used by those in power to fuel their goals of power.
My knowledge of the world, it's geography, the cultures and the peoples who populate it, is fairly extensive. I do not just follow the media nor the politician nor the regious leaders. I will investigate and think before I speak, or write.

Throughout the history of the world, political leaders, religious fanatics as well as the media have caused way too many travesties. Examples of which, Nazi Germany, The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Spanish-American war etc etc etc ad nauseum. As long as anyone if they be american / muslim/ asian etc, allow their leaders free reign to direct what thier people think, know, believe there will always be these horrors.
Please try not to perpetuate them yourself.

Originally posted by skippytjc
Your entire post is absurd.

Only in your opinion. Which holds as much weight as mine.

You automatically assume a higher ground and imply Americans call you "cowards" and "worthless".

You might notice the threads like "Thank you for the stab in the back..." around here or you might not but they exist....we also hear the insults that are thrown our way. "Your helping the enemy." or "You backstabbers"...

I bet there are as many people in the USA who dissagree with this war than anywhere else.

Who is talking about the war?
We are talking in general here....dont tangent.

But that doesnt mean that we will tolererate the rest of the world jumping on a "hate the USA" wagon.

So wait all those billions of people who think the US is a nice place , not in the US btw, are just lieing?
You must understand the ones that hate america usually have had something bad done to them by the US.
Most people like me dont like US forign policy but like the US.

The USA does as much to help the entire planet in donations and aid than all the other nations combined.

Exscuse me?
And you were trying to say I was takeing the high moral ground?

And thats simple fact. But so many people like your selves have such hatred of the USA you can only focus on news and situations that advance your anti American agendas.

Yeah I hate america thats why I've helped defended america in arguements and helped americans in arguements and in real life but its ok.....I dont hate the US, I hate the forign policy.....

You are blind to anything else. You are blind to all the BILLIONS the USA spends each year out of the country in aid. You are BLIND to all the millions of man hours private citizens spend over seas helping people less fortunate.

Mabye you might notice that I do honour those people, if it wasnt for the people in the UN, amnesty international , red cross and the varios other agencies across the world millions would be dead.
You do realise that the people that are supporting your arguement also call those orginisations evil, currupt and the people in them.

You hate the USA, and you will use any tools to promote your racism and believe anything you read. PERIOD.

If I was racist I would post something involveing the US and varios insults wouldnt I?
Instead of produceing an arguement. I believe what I read only after I judge if it seems probbable and reasonable.

Hatred has blinded all your reason. Your statements and comments are blanket in effect, and that means racism. Your hatred of Americans is perfectly clear. ALL AMERICANS

I dont hate americans, I have said over and over again.
Ask ed, west point, mad man and bluecell if I hate them....I might disagree with them but it does not mean I hate them.


Its ok skip, think what you what of me....I'm not here to change peoples views....only to provide another side or view to subject.

Originally posted by kenshiro2012
nukunuku,

To tell you the truth, im very scared of you arrogant pricks, your educational system breeds idiots with little or no knowledge of history or geography and your media and politicians feed on your fear and feed you bullcrap patriotism.

Please read what you have posted. Is this not the same exact thing that you are accusing the American people of? You condemn us as being uneducated, blind and arrogant but yet the very wording of your posting demonstrates that the arrogance, in this instance actually lies in your court. You plainly display your ignorance of the "real", "normal" american. You have let your religious fevor (note I am saying this due to your signature), you have accused the american citizen of being lead by the media as well as it's politicians. yet, what you are stating is exactly what your faith, your politicians, and your media feeds you.

What I am afraid of sir is of people who blindly follow the hatemongers and their "bullcrap patriotism". People who blindly make such decsions are the sheep and the cannon fodder that can and will be used by those in power to fuel their goals of power.
My knowledge of the world, it's geography, the cultures and the peoples who populate it, is fairly extensive. I do not just follow the media nor the politician nor the regious leaders. I will investigate and think before I speak, or write.

Throughout the history of the world, political leaders, religious fanatics as well as the media have caused way too many travesties. Examples of which, Nazi Germany, The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Spanish-American war etc etc etc ad nauseum. As long as anyone if they be american / muslim/ asian etc, allow their leaders free reign to direct what thier people think, know, believe there will always be these horrors.
Please try not to perpetuate them yourself.

again, my intention was not to generalize the entire US population, please understand that i do not judge a person by their nationality, religion or whatever. Yes there are fools everywhere, i am the first to agree to that.

This however is not an excuse for torturing people with the damn inquizition techniques. What your soldiers are doing around the world shows a blatant disregard and total lack of respect towards the people of the country they are in. Remember the cable lift in Italy? What was that?

And it just so happens (in case you havent noticed yet) its USAs turn to face its demons.....dont try to water down whats happening...condemn it! If you are truly as well travelled and knowledgeable as you say you are, surely you know there is no place for such disgusting acts in a "civilized" country such as yours. Instead, your US tv talks about how piling naked prisoners is the same as when the cheerleaders make a pyramid???



ps: i couldnt understand what you were trying to say about my "religious fevor", but im willing to bet you have no idea about my religion, or if i even am religious
Oh and if you think im arrogant, what about your leaders?

and please stop talking about "my media" and "my country".....

i am a no lands man, i consider myself merely human. It just so happens i live in a country that supports your "war on terrorism", so the media here is not exactly foxnews, but more cnn.....
...but i read a lot....

peace

Your justification of your opinions on Americans is a sad attempt at hiding your racism. People like you who are so utterly infused with racial hatred will never understand anything else.

The only thing people like you are teaching me is, is how muh racism is still rampant in this world. I only hope that any childeren in your lives get enough diversity to learn for themselves and not get programmed with your blind hatred and racism.

Originally posted by skippytjc
Your justification of your opinions on Americans is a sad attempt at hiding your racism. People like you who are so utterly infused with racial hatred will never understand anything else.

Thats your opinion and well only holds as much weight as mine.
I dont "hate" anyone....only people who would purposely do harm to me or to inocent people.
Please stop the insults.

The only thing people like you are teaching me is, is how muh racism is still rampant in this world. I only hope that any childeren in your lives get enough diversity to learn for themselves and not get programmed with your blind hatred and racism.

I am not here to teach you anything, only present an opinion and view....as with you.
I plan to give any children enough diversity to make thier own choices.....if you think I have racism then think ahead.....What you think does not matter to me....You see racism and hatred, I see one side of an arguement.....

The USA does as much to help the entire planet in donations and aid than all the other nations combined

Funny that. I always thought Japan was the worlds biggest aid donor, seeing as they cannot (or should not) use troops to help other countries.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am damn sure the US doesn't "out-donate" the rest of the world combined. Don't be so arrogant in your assumption there. Yes, the US donates alot, but the only thing they outspend the rest of the world combined on is "Defense" ( in quotes there as they really should be called the Department of Offense)

Originally posted by stumason

The USA does as much to help the entire planet in donations and aid than all the other nations combined

Funny that. I always thought Japan was the worlds biggest aid donor, seeing as they cannot (or should not) use troops to help other countries.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am damn sure the US doesn't "out-donate" the rest of the world combined. Don't be so arrogant in your assumption there. Yes, the US donates alot, but the only thing they outspend the rest of the world combined on is "Defense" ( in quotes there as they really should be called the Department of Offense)

In actual dollars (prior to the tsumai) the USA donated nearly double the nearest country in over seas aid. Fact.

and just a little side note:

Because the US is not all about the government and a captialist society, the tendency to measure charitable contributions and aid based soley on offical government payments is flawed. One must also take into account the independant and not-for-profit donations and programs our country offers.

What are government gives is just the tip of the iceberg as it was never ever ever meant to take the place of our personal responsibility but to merely govern the country and defense. The brunt of our responsibility globally falls on the citizens not the government and therefore the exclusion of donations and programs by private and not-for-profit individuals, companies and agencies gives a false representation of the amount of good the US does worldwide. Also, much of the aid contributions to international organizations based in the US comes from US households although I'm not sure if this can be measured.

So, I would say its accurate to think the Us government doesn't give as much as one would expect the country to offer because that isn't really its function. The most comes from the citizens privately because we (theoretically) bare that responsibility not the government.

When one looks at it that way, the setiment behind someone giving out of concern far outweighs some government official who confiscates earnings and hands them out in effort to bolster his or her own popularity. I think it says alot about character because even though we tolerate the later, we still believe in doing the former.

Here are some FACTS about the USA's foriegn aid programs and budgets. And note: The budget listed below DOES NOT include private contributions (wich equel or exceed the governments) and special emergancy assistance, its just the budget.

Source: www.usaid.gov...

"The President's budget requests $9.1 billion in fiscal year 2006 for development and humanitarian assistance administered by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). USAID will uniquely program and manage approximately $5.0 billion and manage an additional $4.1 billion in coordination with the Department of State."

And you are flat out WRONG about Japan. From MSN.com

"In terms of traditional foreign aid, the United States gave $16.25 billion in 2003, as measured by the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the club of the world's rich industrial nations. That was almost double the aid by the next biggest net spender, Japan ($8.8 billion). Other big donors were France ($7.2 billion) and Germany ($6.8 billion)."

And some about American private donations, from usaid.gov:

"In 2000 nearly 9 of 10 U.S. households gave to domestic or foreign charities. Americans also give generously of their time: in 1999 a record 56 percent of U.S. adults over 18 volunteered at home or abroad. In 2000 that share dropped to 44 percent because the revised survey considered only adults over 26. Still, volunteers provided work equal to more than 9 million full-time employees, with a value of $239 billion. In 2000 U.S. universities and colleges gave more to developing countries in foreign scholarships than Australia, Belgium, Norway, Spain, and Switzerland each gave in ODA. .."

But somehow all you racist USA hate mongers ignore all that. You are bitter with your hatred of Americans and you will never see anything different. I am just happy that my kids will grow up being more tolerant of other people in this world. They wont learn that type of racist hatred from me.




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