U.S. forces rape, abuse and torture female Iraqi detainees - Including a woman in her 70's!

Radical Islam started it, so Innocent Muslims should pay for it?

Rape, abuse and torture all happen within US borders by Americans against Americans. Is it really a surprise that it happens on foreign territory against civilians during a time of war? Not at all.

Does that mean it's acceptable? Absolutely not.

but 70 YEAR OLD women.. who would even want to touch that..

Originally posted by Odium
Radical Islam started it, so Innocent Muslims should pay for it?

If I may, let me put this into simple terms.

This is like a bad neighbor who raises Dobermans on vineger and abuse and when he can't control them anymore...he tosses them over the fence into another neighbors yard.

Well after that angry neighbor blows away the Mutts that were tossed into his back yard, he is gonna go after the POS that raised them in the 1st place and in that context, the "inocent" Muslims you mentioned allowed the local Madrasses and Mosque's to breed a generation of Muslim killers and they should not be surprised when America comes knocking at their front door, confronting them about the "wild dogs" that were thrown into our back yard.

Maximu§

I didn't go through and read all the post, someone probably already said this:

Aljazeera is not exactly the most cedible source out there, If it were on CNN then there might be some truth behind the story. But it's not.

Second, A few of the people in this thread have said that MOST service members do this and do that (all negative stuff). The truth is that MOST do not rape and beat women. That is like saying that all or most Muslims are terrorrist and put bombs on there children. You people would argue that statement but not argue that MOST US troops are rapist and baby killers (wich they are not).

See my point.

If Most Americans were in Iraq raping women and doing all this bad stuff as you claim then there would be much more publicity on this other than
Aljazeera....*spit*

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
This is like a bad neighbor who raises Dobermans on vineger and abuse and when he can't control them anymore...he tosses them over the fence into another neighbors yard.

Well after that angry neighbor blows away the Mutts that were tossed into his back yard, he is gonna go after the POS that raised them in the 1st place and in that context, the "inocent" Muslims you mentioned allowed the local Madrasses and Mosque's to breed a generation of Muslim killers and they should not be surprised when America comes knocking at their front door, confronting them about the "wild dogs" that were thrown into our back yard.

Maximu§

You can apply the same reasoning to christianity too, Max. Just look at the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades. Just because a group of christians decides to go against their teachings or go kill doesn't mean that all christians are bad. Same with Islam.

Yeah Slayer thats true, but we Christians go after Bad people among us...Murderers, killers, Thugs and gangsters, we lock them up or kill them. but the Islamic culture permits those types flourish openly.

Now, its changed...I hope we started a small spark in the MIddle-East, and that spark being freedom will one day rage across the whole region....Bush is'nt a total Moron, when he said Man ultimately wants to be free, he was speaking truthfully.

Max

but the Islamic culture permits those types flourish openly.

No it doesn't. Your talking out of your Glutimus (LA) Maximus

They have some of the harshest punishments around, even for theft. You get your hand cut off, even if you were stealing to feed your starving kids.

LA, you are always generalising against other groups who you see to have such a problem with. Why have you got to be such a git?

Perhaps I should say that all American Army personel abuse the prisoners, seeing as only a few did, they must all be doing it.

But you wouldn't like that would you, as you know it not to be true.

Now why should you apply the complete opposite of that to Muslims and say they are all bad because of a few Psychos?

Don't be a fool all your life and stop being such a hypocrite.

Truth hurts huh Stu?

Theres a certain ring to the truth...that even your insults can't smear.


Max

Truth hurts huh Stu?

Theres a certain ring to the truth...that even your insults can't smear.

Truth? What truth is that Max? And is that honestly the best you can come up with? I asked you why your being a hypocrite by defending US personel against being tarred with the abuse brush, because only a few do it but at the same time do the exact opposite to Muslims because of a few Psychos?

Why the hypocrasy? I await your reply.

[edit on 24/4/05 by stumason]

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Truth hurts huh Stu?

Theres a certain ring to the truth...that even your insults can't smear.


Max

There is no "truth" , only the interpretation of the person.
Unless your saying that everyone's view of the "truth" is the same?

His "Truth" DW, is that all Muslims need to be punished for the actions of a few misguided zealout Psychos. While on the same hand, he is defending the US Army, because only a few abused prisoners. Hypocrasy? You bet!

1 billion punished for the actions of a few? What a pile of steaming bovine feaces.

(By the way, how was the TA thing? U2U me.)

[edit on 24/4/05 by stumason]

What abused prisoners? Oh the ones paraded around nude and told to pose infront of a camera? that so terrible isnt it... It puts hacking off the head of live and awake people, with a small knife then snaping there heads of of there spinal cords and holding it up by the hair of there heads, and praising allah to shame doesnt it..

Originally posted by C0le
What abused prisoners? Oh the ones paraded around nude and told to pose infront of a camera? that so terrible isnt it... It puts hacking off the head of live and awake people, with a small knife then snaping there heads of of there spinal cords and holding it up by the hair of there heads, and praising allah to shame doesnt it..

Firstly are you saying that the US or UK armies are the same as the iraqi's?
Because frankly thats what I'm getting from your post.

Did anybody know that there are two aljazeera sites? one www.aljazeera.com and another www.aljazeera.net

the .net one is Arabic and .com is english.... hummm... can someone read Arabic? can you tell me if the .net one has the same stories as the one in .com?

they seems to be two different sites.

Originally posted by Siroos

Originally posted by cafeman
Siroos:
I have sympathy for anyone who this has happened to, just as I have sympathy for the American survivor of the downed helicopter who was shot in the head yesterday! What say you on this! Why no outrage? Hummmmm

I fell sorry for them too, but they knew the dangers involved in going to occupied Iraq - And what business did they have there?

Siroos:
I agree that the reason for being in Iraq is tenuous at best....I can't agree with your view that POW'S should be shot in the head when captured! That appears to be what you are saying and it should be totally unacceptable to anyone....Christian~Muslim~Jewish or otherwise.

Your right about one thing though...the U.S SHOULD get the hell out of Iraq...so then they can continue their tribal squabbles and Kill each other, and not civilian contractors who may be trying to help them. Although some of these guys on this helicopter were from Blackwater security....anyway I still say it's wrong to kill a P.O.W!

Originally posted by ulshadow
they seems to be two different sites.

They are. the .com is based out of the UK while .net is the real deal.

i'm pretty sure there are a few threads that have gone over this or at least had the topic brought up

english.aljazeera.net... is the english edition of the real aljazeera web page.

As it happens ive found nearly the same story at this site :

www.gnn.tv...


Hier a few other articles : www.guardian.co.uk...
www.uruknet.info...

Also while googling a bit i also came up on numerous reports of us female military members who also have been raped by fellow soldiers which does seem to be very disturbing given the circumstances.
One example can be found here : www.alternet.org...

Originally posted by negativenihil

Originally posted by ulshadow
they seems to be two different sites.

They are. the .com is based out of the UK while .net is the real deal.

i'm pretty sure there are a few threads that have gone over this or at least had the topic brought up

english.aljazeera.net... is the english edition of the real aljazeera web page.

oh, thanks, humm... i can't seem to find this story from the .net one then...

WOW!!! So this is how stupid I sound whenever I stereotype!!!

Now I Know:

According to some of you (based on your mode of thinking):
Note: Substitute all with most and it still sounds stupid.

All black people will steal from you!
Because of few blacks steal.....

Most Muslims are terrorist and extremist!
because a few of them are...It makes sense....NOT!

All democrats cheat on thier wives!
Clinton and Kennedy cheated....so im sure all you democrats have aswell!

All Christians blow up adoption centers at some point in thier life!
Some Wacos do it....So I guess all Christians are destined to do it also.

All U.S. airmen, soldiers, sailors and Marines rape and beat women detainees....!
A few turds in the military, so that means that all American service members do it.....heck even the ones stateside that havent been overseas....they rape Iraqi women too........I don't know how they do it, but they do!!!

All Irish men are drunks!
Ok, there might be some truth to this one joking!

All Brits have nasty teeth!
Austin Powers had a nasty arse grill on his face....so all brits do!

Everything I said above is of course FALSE. Do not take offense to it if you fit in any of the above listed categories.....I used it as an example and nothing more.

SEE HOW SOME OF YOU SOUND....no logic at all!!!!

[edit on 25/4/2005 by SportyMB]