Salvatore Pais confirms science in MH370 videos are real during live stream

a reply to: Lazy88

You're the one saying that they are undoubtedly hoaxes. For them to be undoubtedly fake, you'd need the entire source file. I never said that about them being real.

And yet, you still haven't replied to any of the evidence I've brought to the table once again. Feel free to keep insulting me if you're going to keep driving engagement. Thanks friend.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

You're the one saying that they are undoubtedly hoaxes.

No. It been proven by numerous people at different levels.

I have cited and posted that evidence.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
For them to be undoubtedly fake, you'd need the entire source file.

You provide the source files to show they are real.


Again.

The history of the videos.

Can you read and comprehend the below. Especially the discovery of the stock footage used for the clouds. Literally your “source file”.

originally posted by: Lazy88

MH370 went missing on March 8, 2014. Ten weeks after that, an anonymous YouTuber, RegicideAnon, posted a video that purported to be a stereo satellite image of a plane. The video (since deleted but still available on archive.org) shows some clouds over a blue ocean background. A plane, banking steeply, flies into view from the top left.

About fifteen seconds later, a white orb-like object flies in and begins to loop around the plane. It’s joined a few seconds later by two more. The three orbs orbit the plane as it levels out; then there’s a sudden flash of light, and the plane and orbs vanish without a trace.

It was a simple-looking fake, something any artist could knock out in a few days with common tools such as Blender and After-Effects. Most people recognized this and paid it very little attention. It had little impact but gained a steady trickle of views.

Three weeks later, a second video was released. This showed what looked like the same scene, but now from the perspective of a military drone filming with a thermal camera. Again, the plane flies into view, the orbs follow it, and then it vanishes in a flash. Again, most people assumed—quite correctly—that it was fake, and no one really paid it any attention.

That should have been the end of it. But fast-forward to 2023. People on the Reddit forum r/UFOs suddenly rediscovered the videos. Reddit user Voelkero posted links to the video and commented, “My hope is that some of you will be able to conclusively prove that it is faked.”

skepticalinquirer.org...

This video below walks through how the stock footage for the clouds was found.

MH370 Teleportation Video Fakery: Clouds Stock Footage Found!!

Tells where the stock footage was found. The actual “source file” for the cloud background.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka

I never said that about them being real.

Then they are poorly rendered CGI hoaxes.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
And yet, you still haven't replied to any of the evidence I've brought to the table once again.

Because your thread “Salvatore Pais confirms science in MH370 videos are real during live stream” in the opening post references hoax videos with all evidence points to MH370 crashed into the water. Including parts of MH370 being found.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
Feel free to keep insulting me if you're going to keep driving engagement. Thanks friend.

If pointing out obvious hoax videos are hoaxes, and questioning everything including you is insulting. Then you are basically a snowflake.

Double post

Okay...let's just address the elephant in the room. These two videos seem to be very, VERY, important to the OP. OP, you have not moved off of these two videos since the start of any of your now (3) threads on the subject.

So, I have to ask...why are you so stuck on these two videos?...did YOU create them? Are YOU somehow connected with their publication and distribution? Why are YOU so invested in making sure that THESE two videos are accepted as truth? Why do YOU defend them with tireless compassion? No one else here seems to do the same things.

To your earlier points, yes, this is a conspiracy website, but I personally learned back in 2013 when I joined that you don't just throw some obvious BS out there and expect people to believe it. You have to back it up with facts, and this means credible sources. I will let you be the judge if you have done this or not, but from my perspective YOU seem bent on defending these (only) two videos as absolute proof of the demise of MH370, and are unwilling to consider any other evidence...EXCEPT these (2) questionable videos.

Why? Really...WHY?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

Why? Really...WHY?

Like three threads on MH370 in four days?



They are definitely invested..

Wonder if there will be a fourth thread?

a reply to: Lazy88

you still haven't addressed any of the evidence I've presented...

and your cloud images were only uploaded on the internet in 2016. must I remind you that MH370 disappeared two years before that? how did the hoaxer use the images from Textures.com if they were only uploaded in 2016?

See for yourself. You can search the image yourself on the internet archive.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The reason I am pushing these videos now is because I now feel absolutely confident in the videos being real. Whereas before, I was about 50/50. When I first came across them a few years back, I thought they were absolutely ridiculous and thus had to be fake. But over time, I kept coming across more and more evidence to support the videos actually being real - that's why I'm able to provide so many reports in my replies. It was only up until about a month ago that I came around 100%.

Now, once I came to accept them as real, the next thing that dawned on me was how incredibly mind blowing they are. This is probably the most important leak in human history and if the science that's happening in it is real (according to the video below from physicist Bob Greenyer, it is real science), that is going to break absolutely everything. It's showing us evidence of teleportation technology, zero point energy, plasma objects.

Now put yourself in my shoes... would that not make you want to share these videos with the world?

Unfortunately, I did not make these videos, my friend. I wish I did. Because the truth is much scarier. There are some evil people out there weaponizing technology that could revolutionize humanity forever. I simply want the rest of the world to see what I am seeing because I absolutely confident it's the truth. That's why I won't stop talking about them and I'll continue posting more threads on it in the future.

Around the 16:00 minute mark, physicist Bob Greenyer talks about how the technology displayed in the MH370 videos have scientific backing:

a reply to: b0kal0ka

Look, You've already developed this attitude that no one likes you, and you're just going to post what you want ad-nauseum, until everyone quits.

I don't want that, and I suspect no one else does here either. Conspiracy theories are welcome, and they have been for years. Yours is no different.

Bottom line...NO one can prove, not YOU, nor ME, what really happened to MH370. No one can. Everything is just theories. Your theory is just as valid as anyone else's.

On ATS we love conspiracy. Pushing members back into a corner because they don't agree with your particular theory is pointless. There are lots of different theories here, about all sorts of different subjects.

If you want to define yourself as a "one trick pony" over two questionable videos, then this is fine.

BUT...all of us would rather have you as a regular member discussing all things strange.

I offer up to you..."Middle Ground"...are you able to see it, and embrace it...or is this the hill you wish to die on?

Honest question.

edit...on numerous posts within this thread you have mentioned "Normies". I'm not sure I understand what a "normie" is. Could you please explain this to me? I looked on the web, and I think I"m okay being a "normie", but perhaps I don't understand what a 'normie' truly is. Also, what culture does this term, 'normie' , come from? I've not heard it much until now.

Please do explain to this apparent "Normie"...I'm confused.

a reply to: b0kal0ka

You are the reason people hate conspiracists..

The Practical Skeptic
The MH370 Teleport Hoax
Mick West
From: Volume 48, No. 2
March/April 2024

skepticalinquirer.org...


Again, this was a source I was familiar with. I left the games industry a long time ago but still hang out on a private industry forum, where I know the owner of Textures.org. It specializes in assets for use in games. In this case, reference photos of clouds posted in 2012 were found that matched the fake video that was produced in 2014. Case closed!

Of course, Forbes and his followers were having none of it. Where, they asked, was the evidence that these textures even existed in 2012? They looked up the archived history of the site, but it only went back to 2016. Sure, the photos were listed as being in 2012, and when downloaded, the metadata said 2012, but could that all have been faked?

The site owner weighed in, checked the dates on the files, and said they were correct. He also said he knew and trusted the photographer. Then, the photographer, Jonas De Ro, came forward and supplied the raw original images from his archive. The super high-resolution images were a perfect match, with portions in every frame of the fake video.

Give full context text time.

a reply to: b0kal0ka

Secondarily...how old are you 'bOkalOka'? You seem very young.

If I am mistaken, then there might be other issues, but honestly, how old are you?

(I don't want to know your address,, or even your country, so I'm not "doxing" you...I'd just like to know how mature and how old you are. (???)

I'm guessing about 15, maybe 16. But I could be wrong.

a reply to: b0kal0ka

More on the source photo at..

Authenticating the cloud photos supplied by Jonas De Ro

www.reddit.com...

You just keep proving the videos are a hoax.

You keep showing you use blatant false arguments by omissions and cherry picking.

You keep showing true debunkers look at all the data and take the road it leads. You just keep using smoke and mirrors to cherry pick what you want.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I'm sorry Flyingclaydisk. I'm going to die on this hill. These videos will be proven real soon.

As for my age, I'm actually 33 lol. I've been on this site for a VERYY long time. I started this account last year because my old account from 2009 was hacked. if you know how I can get back into it, please let me know.

SmoothCriminal22

I've been a lurker on this website since I was in high school. I've always loved reading people's research and theories into the great mysteries and questions of the world. And now, it's finally my time to contribute to the community

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I'm sorry Flyingclaydisk. I'm going to die on this hill. These videos will be proven real soon.

How. You keep pushing, and it’s proven more and more and more the MH370 videos are poorly rendered CGI.

The videos already died in many threads and debates across the internet.

a reply to: Lazy88

dude, stop relying on what other people tell you on the internet. I'm literally proving to you what Mick West is saying is wrong. Look up that image yourself on the Internet Archive and tell me how far they go back to.

I bet you won't even try it because you know I caught you.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


I've always loved reading people's research

Too bad you only cherry pick to create blatantly false arguments.

a reply to: Lazy88

Ashton Forbes has submitted the videos to AARO. They will be looking into the case themselves and we surely hear something from them soon.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

dude, stop relying on what other people tell

Vs you that uses blandly false arguments by omission, cherry picking, or using sources that right out lie.

😂😂😂😂

Dude. Do you understand that a website archive has nothing to do with the actual source file and its existence.

It’s no different when I post photos from my phone on the internet three or four years after I took them and have them stored.

Again. Jonas De Ro who took the picture confirmed it’s from 2012. The source files dated 2012 were provided.

This goes through the process of authenticating the source file you wanted.

Authenticating the cloud photos supplied by Jonas De Ro

www.reddit.com...

You have Jonas De Ro, Mick West, and others confirming the age and authenticity of the source file used as stock background.

And that’s only one aspect of the argument.

There is still the stock footage of the explosion ran through a filter.

The clouds are unrealistically static for supposedly a satellite having to change perspective and focus for a moving passenger jet.

The contrails move and jump around unrealistically in relation to the jet.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

Ashton Forbes has submitted the videos to AARO. They will be looking into the case themselves and we surely hear something from them soon.

Why do you need the government to tell you if something is true.

So hypocritical

a reply to: b0kal0ka

At the 16 minute mark the stereo version of the video is interpreted as a dating device, these old stereo photos of Bern Switzerland were all the rage in the late 1800's.

www.landesmuseum.ch...

That is probably why Pais and Put hoff took an interest in the videos, if you read about their involvement with the math puzzle from 1902 and the watches.
The first heavy water was not produced until 8 years later near Vemork, Norway not Switzerland.
Old memes from Los Alamos IIRC.
RegicideAnon also did something with a drowned boys ghost haunting brothers.

But this stereo video with "orbs" may not have originally even been inspired by MH370, where is the connection?

a reply to: Lazy88

Lol Jonas de Ro. I happened to watch that as it happened. A six day old reddit account inexplicably found a cloud image within 20 minutes out of millions of clouds images, where the clouds had to be stretched, stitched, and reoriented to match the videos. Then out of nowhere, this photographer Jonas makes a debunk video within a few days of that image appearing on reddit. I'm sorry, but that is incredibly suspicious.

You need to work on your reading comprehension my friend. I already believe the videos are real in case you haven't noticed. The government saying something about it will help folks like yourself realize it too.