I thought Trump was the existential threat?

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: some_stupid_name

Because we have an excess of Americans lining up to sew shoes together and pick avocados? That's a lot of knock off and affordable crap we get from China and a lot of menial labor. Like everything Walmart. The most impoverished of clientele. I'm just thinking about our children and how the forced labor of their children benefits the least well off here.

For the betterment of the neediest American children, does it benefit the Walmart shopper to tax China? The reason the cheap sh*t is made in China is because decent wages for American labor drives up the price beyond being appealing.

The tariffs hurt lower classes more. What happens to Walmart when 94% of their goods go up 50%? What happens to their shoppers? Not a scare tactic.

Yes, I am for the companies like Walmart running the Mom and Pop out of business and indirectly exploiting children in Vietnam to sew my clothing and shoes together, because it saves the production costs for me and also those most in need of cheap products.

It screws over primarily the lower classes. 67% and lower, really getting hurtful below 33%. Trump's tariffs are to lower taxes for the rich and make other countries pick up lost revenue, which translates to the lowest 30% of income paying the most because all their cheap products aren't American anymore. That is an argument for disrupting the free global market and forcing people back to American production cost. I don't want to pay for good collective bargaining.

But hey, the 37% tax brackets get Reaganized into the 20s.

We have an excess of Americans lining the streets in tent cities because of slave labor, if they could get a decent job sowing or picking avocados they wouldn't be living on the street. We've tried it your way the last 40 years lets try it his way for 4 years.

originally posted by: Connector
For all the dummies,

The US imports 60% of it's oil from Canada.

So, expect your fuel prices to rise by 25% minimum.

China is right there, ready to buy it all up

It is a bit more complicated but not much. The US finally became a net exporter of petroleum under the Trump administration-good timing mostly. Our refineries are more suited for the type of oil Canada, Mexico and Venezuela has.

The U.S. exports more petroleum than it imports. So why are we importing at all?

our refineries were designed to process oil coming from Mexico and Venezuela. “And a lot of that tends to be relatively heavy and relatively high in sulfur,” he said.

We buy the cheap stuff from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela- refine it and use it domestically and export the expensive petroleum we get in Texas.

“Because it’s harder to refine them, they tend to be priced more cheaply than a light sweet crude oil,” he said. 

So we buy and refine the cheaper stuff, and we sell our more expensive stuff to places that can’t do that. There’s one more discount: The majority of our oil comes from our closest neighbor.

“There’s also not a lot of ability for Canadian producers to move it outside of Canada,” Hack said.

Make no mistake about it, Canada, Mexico and Venezuela have no leverage against us- it is a mutually beneficial relationship. To me your response implied we, the US, was dependant on Canada for 60 percent of our oil- nothing could be further from the truth.
not to mention the oil is sold in dollars

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm for whatever leads to system collapse. If this is a catalyst then I support. Weaponizing the US dollar and exporting inflation over decades is what led to other countries dropping the dollar to begin with. More weaponization and bullying and shoving our overinflated ,worthless currency down their throats will probably backfire in a profound way.

a reply to: some_stupid_name

I've seen them. The ones still on our street DON'T work and don't want to contribute to society. They're happy in their tents and wouldnt move if you didnt make them. I'd say deport them instead, but most are Americans and some are vets. They'd still rather do drugs, steal things, and yell at traffic. The only reason they'd go to farm country is for the endemic amounts of meth.

Since when are our homeless the downtrodden unemployed longing for a 20 dollar an hour job? They'd take all the open farm and service industry jobs that pay that much if that was true, but then they couldn't do drugs all day.

The laziness paradox:

calmatters.org...

Despite offering six-digit starting salaries, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, which operates prisons, and the California Highway Patrol are having great difficulty filling vacancies and are using TV ads to recruit new officers. They are not alone.

Throughout California, public agencies and private employers are contending with an endemic lack of workers of all kinds, from unskilled to highly educated.

School districts can’t hire enough teachers, hospitals are chronically short of nurses, state and local law enforcement agencies have vacancies they cannot fill, construction companies are begging for skilled tradesmen, and even fast food outlets can’t find enough workers despite offering as much as $20 an hour.

The shortages persist even though California has nearly a million unemployed workers, according to a new report from the Employment Development Department, and its 4.9% jobless rate is the highest of any state.

Your article indicates that a lot of people who did work and want to work have left the state. One reason they sited was housing prices being to high, I'm betting other things cost more as well. Do you think a change in leadership in California could bring changes to some of the problems Californians face? The article seemed to point at the COVID era closures as the point that the issue became there worse. I would bet before that there were severe issue that were causing the people to question or rethink the reasons to stay in California. Hiring slave labor is not the solution and letting tent cities continue is also not a solution. I don't how to fix your situation but I would start with replacing the elected leaders with people who do not want to keep on doing the same thing as the current leaders.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

I'm for whatever leads to system collapse. If this is a catalyst then I support. Weaponizing the US dollar and exporting inflation over decades is what led to other countries dropping the dollar to begin with. More weaponization and bullying and shoving our overinflated ,worthless currency down their throats will probably backfire in a profound way.

The US currency is stable. It's not going to go anywhere BTW. Europe created the EU to compete with the US and it really hasn't gone nowhere in gaining some lead. Rich countries like Saudi Arabia have all their investments in the dollar, so they would be cutting their own throat to move, and the same for so many others.

The countries signing up don't have crap to begin with so if Trump says OK 100% tariffs on them they are only hurting themselves for the goals of Russia and Iran. What I see happening is countries will accept the dollar and BRICS.

Now the big issue is what will they value it at? If they think they can just do a one-to-one dollar value, they are smoking crack. The Dollar is backed by 27 trillion GDP, The EU is backed by 19 trillion GDP. Russia is 2 trillion GDP and Iran is 400 billion and add another 20 smaller countries you still hardly get 3 trillion GDP total. So, what do you think 10 cents or less on the dollar to start and it will only go down from there.

originally posted by: Degradation33

I've seen them. The ones still on our street DON'T work and don't want to contribute to society. They're happy in their tents and wouldnt move if you didnt make them. I'd say deport them instead, but most are Americans and some are vets. They'd still rather do drugs, steal things, and yell at traffic. The only reason they'd go to farm country is for the endemic amounts of meth.

Since when are our homeless the downtrodden unemployed longing for a 20 dollar an hour job? They'd take all the open farm and service industry jobs that pay that much if that was true, but then they couldn't do drugs all day.

The laziness paradox:

What you say is true. All the homeless issues started after we closed all the state-run mental institutions. The vast majority have mental health issues so that is where we need to focus on them, not a job.

There are two issues that liberals like to mix. One is we need about 2 million seasonal workers to come here work the season and then go back home. Not bring their families and just camp out their life here. I'm in favor of a worker visa program that would allow us to keep track of the workers for both self-interests. It would allow vetting on our end and protect them from human trafficking.

The other problem of where 20 million have just come here and are not doing much of anything. The few working are being exploited with zero accountability as to who these people are. We need them gone period...

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

We buy the cheap stuff from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela- refine it and use it domestically and export the expensive petroleum we get in Texas.

Our refineries are built to refine the crappy Canada sludge... We do not have many capabilities to refine the good stuff, so it is sold.

originally posted by: some_stupid_name
I don't how to fix your situation but I would start with replacing the elected leaders with people who do not want to keep on doing the same thing as the current leaders.

2 out of every 7 people in CA are illegals now. That is 27% using the state's resources with little return. 5th largest GDP in the world and they are 520 billion in debt. Add in all the crazy taxes they have, and one needs to ask where is all that money going to? A big area is the 27% illegals.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe if you believe it hard enough, it will come true.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe if you believe it hard enough, it will come true.

Hard numbers don't lie, but you seem to like fairy tales. Please explain how they will value BRICS outside of just inventing a value. When the US and EU push back it all comes down or sits there like DOSE coin did when they thought they were making the next Bitcoin.

a reply to: Xtrozero

What's DOSE coin?

When Trump takes office, we'll see how he handles the economy and BRICS nations. That's when his true intentions and capabilities will be revealed. I already realize though that his most staunch supporters will never ever admit to being duped. TDS works both ways.

You are the one who seems live in a fairytale. Which is why I'm highly skeptical of all your arguments.

originally posted by: Connector
For all the dummies,

The US imports 60% of it's oil from Canada.

So, expect your fuel prices to rise by 25% minimum.

China is right there, ready to buy it all up

Where is the threat to tariff oil from Canada? ❓

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm for whatever leads to system collapse. If this is a catalyst then I support. Weaponizing the US dollar and exporting inflation over decades is what led to other countries dropping the dollar to begin with. More weaponization and bullying and shoving our overinflated ,worthless currency down their throats will probably backfire in a profound way.

Imagine the poverty when the system collapses ❗️😁

a reply to: xuenchen

Observe the poverty + corruption + indoctrination + debt slavery with the system intact !

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: xuenchen

Observe the poverty + corruption + indoctrination + debt slavery with the system intact !

hræðilegt !!

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

You are the one who seems live in a fairytale. Which is why I'm highly skeptical of all your arguments.

It is interesting we are 180 degrees on everything. I really think you argue just to argue. You are the one that thinks the dollar is some failing currency and somehow magically BRICS will take over when the countries backing it are basically anti-American with little GDP to back up their efforts. As America fails so does the world, remember that, so if you want a total reset because your life sucks and you want everyone else to be the same you are going to be wishing for a long time to come.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

What's DOSE coin?

People thought it might rivel Bitcoin, and here it is years later. The same goes BRICS.

a reply to: Xtrozero

If you really think I argue just to argue, there's an easy solution for you --- stop replying to my posts.

You do realize the currency system isn't real. It's an illusion that you've bought into. It's propped up by the collective belief of societies that consent to play the game. The only thing that keeps it "stable" is your continual faith in it. If that faith is lost, the game collapses. You better hope the majority still share your faith and belief.

It's funny how Trump's supporters tout him as anti-establishment...an outsider. Then right off the bat he talks about using his power to protect the Federal Reserve...

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

It's funny how Trump's supporters tout him as anti-establishment...an outsider. Then right off the bat he talks about using his power to protect the Federal Reserve...

The value of anything is only as real as what people see/feel the value should be, so you are right in a small way. It's like baseball cards. The book says a card is worth 100 bucks, but if the only person willing to buy it will not go over 5 bucks then the card is worth 5 bucks.

Whatever happens to America the world is hit much harder unless you are a goat herder in Afghanistan. When we have 27 trillion GDP that is a lot to lose faith over. The collective power of the EU is the same as they push 19 trillion GDP, but if I were going to say one is more fragile than the other, I would say the EU is much more than the US. I have no faith in Trump, he isn't my Messiah, just someone a hell of a lot better than Biden or Harris. He could screw up left and right and still would be better than what the liberals have been pushing.