I thought Trump was the existential threat?

a reply to: xuenchen

No wonder you're confused. Anyone would be if they were worried about all that jibberish!

Have you contacted The Trump Team about all these concerns and outlined some suggestions?

I know, I know, it's so much easier to think of things in the most basic way possible.

I'll try not to play the impact of Trump's appointments and tariff plans forward next time.

I am for the most free economy possible. Neoliberalism is what it's called. Apart from deregulation, lax on anti-trust oversight, globalism, and as close to free trade as possible, that economic freedom includes conglomerates, and even apparel companies using cost-effective Chinese or Indonesian child labor to sew together $150 shoes for spoiled Western kids that don't know the meaning of abject poverty and cultural oppression.

Keeps cost down, for me, the exalted first world consumer. If I can benefit financially from all my imported name brand apparel being kept affordable by exploitation, it's a good thing. Do people really want a 50% or 60% markup on their chinese made shoes? Have people forgotten where basic things are made now? It's a little too late to deglobalize.

My first world gilded existence might have to spend 30% to 50% more on many goods if Trump goes through full bore with the at least 25% on everyone tariff thing.

PHOTO that speaks volumes.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at Mar-a-Largo: theconservativetreehouse.com...

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

The house seats that are currently being cheated away Can be flipped back by the Supreme court if need be or just not be seated if cheating is proven.

originally posted by: WeMustCare
PHOTO that speaks volumes.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at Mar-a-Largo: theconservativetreehouse.com...

everything from soup to nuts

a reply to: Degradation33

What will an iPhone cost ?? $4000?

How many "DOGÈs"?

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: xuenchen

No wonder you're confused. Anyone would be if they were worried about all that jibberish!

Have you contacted The Trump Team about all these concerns and outlined some suggestions?

I know, I know, it's so much easier to think of things in the most basic way possible.

I'll try not to play the impact of Trump's appointments and tariff plans forward next time.

I am for the most free economy possible. Neoliberalism is what it's called. Apart from deregulation, lax on anti-trust oversight, globalism, and as close to free trade as possible, that economic freedom includes conglomerates, and even apparel companies using cost-effective Chinese or Indonesian child labor to sew together $150 shoes for spoiled Western kids that don't know the meaning of abject poverty and cultural oppression.

Keeps cost down, for me, the exalted first world consumer. If I can benefit financially from all my imported name brand apparel being kept affordable by exploitation, it's a good thing. Do people really want a 50% or 60% markup on their chinese made shoes? Have people forgotten where basic things are made now? It's a little too late to deglobalize.

My first world gilded existence might have to spend 30% to 50% more on many goods if Trump goes through full bore with the at least 25% on everyone tariff thing.

Are you seriously advocating for slave labor? I do know all the Democrats are complaining that deportation and tariffs will raise prices but the people here need decent paying jobs like picking fruit and building houses. To say Americans don't want those jobs is misleading, they want decent pay for doing those jobs. It's going to cost more at first but as the economy recovers it won't seem like it. Our parents and grand parents allowed the debt to get out of control it's time to start down that hard road of getting it paid off. It's going to be a little lean for a while, it's okay you'll live.

originally posted by: Degradation33

I am for the most free economy possible. Neoliberalism is what it's called. Apart from deregulation, lax on anti-trust oversight, globalism, and as close to free trade as possible, that economic freedom includes conglomerates, and even apparel companies using cost-effective Chinese or Indonesian child labor to sew together $150 shoes for spoiled Western kids that don't know the meaning of abject poverty and cultural oppression.

All good until the big guys wipe out the little guys, then they have a monopoly and can price anything they want. The problem is other countries do not play fair. They give government subsidies to their own businesses to undercut the rest of the world.

Here is a good one... Japan's government subsidizes the steel industry to undercut American steel driving it into ground to never recover.

Foreign steel is being dumped into the United States, causing steelworker layoffs and the closing of American steel mills. In response, steel companies and the United Steelworkers (USW) filed a series of complaints with the Treasury Department and the International Trade Commission (ITC) citing unfair competition, injury to America’s steel industry, and national security concerns.

My first world gilded existence might have to spend 30% to 50% more on many goods if Trump goes through full bore with the at least 25% on everyone tariff thing.

So, much of your costs doubled under Biden and you are worried about your electronics from China...lol

originally posted by: some_stupid_name

Are you seriously advocating for slave labor? I do know all the Democrats are complaining that deportation and tariffs will raise prices but the people here need decent paying jobs like picking fruit and building houses. To say Americans don't want those jobs is misleading, they want decent pay for doing those jobs. It's going to cost more at first but as the economy recovers it won't seem like it. Our parents and grand parents allowed the debt to get out of control it's time to start down that hard road of getting it paid off. It's going to be a little lean for a while, it's okay you'll live.

Being a Liberal I must protest the removal of the human trafficking that has kept my prices lower.

originally posted by: xuenchen


What will an iPhone cost ?? $4000?

They are around 1300, and the extra cost would be only a few 100.

a reply to: some_stupid_name

Because we have an excess of Americans lining up to sew shoes together and pick avocados? That's a lot of knock off and affordable crap we get from China and a lot of menial labor. Like everything Walmart. The most impoverished of clientele. I'm just thinking about our children and how the forced labor of their children benefits the least well off here.

For the betterment of the neediest American children, does it benefit the Walmart shopper to tax China? The reason the cheap sh*t is made in China is because decent wages for American labor drives up the price beyond being appealing.

The tariffs hurt lower classes more. What happens to Walmart when 94% of their goods go up 50%? What happens to their shoppers? Not a scare tactic.

Yes, I am for the companies like Walmart running the Mom and Pop out of business and indirectly exploiting children in Vietnam to sew my clothing and shoes together, because it saves the production costs for me and also those most in need of cheap products.

It screws over primarily the lower classes. 67% and lower, really getting hurtful below 33%. Trump's tariffs are to lower taxes for the rich and make other countries pick up lost revenue, which translates to the lowest 30% of income paying the most because all their cheap products aren't American anymore. That is an argument for disrupting the free global market and forcing people back to American production cost. I don't want to pay for good collective bargaining.

But hey, the 37% tax brackets get Reaganized into the 20s.

a reply to: Degradation33

Well we know Biden has kept most of the Trump era Tariffs. In fact some may have been increased, and some are scheduled (as boobie traps) for a few years away. Do you know which tariffs have been raising prices specifically? 😁

a reply to: xuenchen

This is not about Biden, this is about the proposed 50% or 60% tax on all Chinese imports and its yet to be realized effect on lower class consumers. And to a lesser extent the 25% across the board for other countries.

a reply to: Degradation33

Yes of course. It's very confusing and diversionary 🥥

And where is Trump saying 50% or 60% tax on all Chinese imports? I thought that was only campaign jargon.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Degradation33

Yes of course. It's very confusing and diversionary 🥥

And where is Trump saying 50% or 60% tax on all Chinese imports? I thought that was only campaign jargon.

Trump campaigned on what he called "reciprocal" tariffs. The Chinese tariff the hell out of U S. made products, how many Chevys do you see driving through Shanghai? He was clear in saying that any products the Chinese tariff he will reciprocate with an equal tariff for imports coming to the US.
I don't see a problem with that.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Degradation33

Well we know Biden has kept most of the Trump era Tariffs. In fact some may have been increased, and some are scheduled (as boobie traps) for a few years away. Do you know which tariffs have been raising prices specifically? 😁

Tariffs, used strategically and masterfully, tariffs embody the old axiom-the pen is mightier than the sword. Some here are missing the point, the US market is the most desirable market, the most lucrative to sell into and any threat to disrupt that is as bad as it gets. Why do you think Justin Trudeau made a surprise visit to Mar-a-Lago or the Mexican president is more than happy to help stop the caravans of illegals? Ask Iran how it felt to be not only to be shut out of US markets but other countries, like China, were told if you do business with Iran than you can forget about doing business with the US. The US economic prowess and dollar hegomeny is something Trump understands better than anyone, certainly any former president.

originally posted by: Degradation33
Because we have an excess of Americans lining up to sew shoes together and pick avocados?

You are mixing illegals and tariffs. We need a work visa program, not open borders and 20 million not working. I read in the past that we need about 2 million in a work visa program for seasonal workers.

For the betterment of the neediest American children, does it benefit the Walmart shopper to tax China? The reason the cheap sh*t is made in China is because decent wages for American labor drives up the price beyond being appealing.

Lots of cheaper countries waiting...just saying. You are only thinking short term...

The tariffs hurt lower classes more. What happens to Walmart when 94% of their goods go up 50%? What happens to their shoppers? Not a scare tactic.

What goods would that be? I think food, housing, transportation, etc is what poor people would focus on, not cheap electronics...

It screws over primarily the lower classes. 67% and lower, really getting hurtful below 33%. Trump's tariffs are to lower taxes for the rich and make other countries pick up lost revenue, which translates to the lowest 30% of income paying the most because all their cheap products aren't American anymore. That is an argument for disrupting the free global market and forcing people back to American production cost. I don't want to pay for good collective bargaining.

This is your opinion, not fact. Bideneconomic was 10x worse than China's tariffs.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

You for or against?

originally posted by: Degradation33

This is not about Biden, this is about the proposed 50% or 60% tax on all Chinese imports and its yet to be realized effect on lower class consumers. And to a lesser extent the 25% across the board for other countries.

Nothing is in play yet and you are freaking out about it all. Where were your posts about the massive rise in cost under Biden? You are looking at just one thing and not the whole picture.

For all the dummies,

The US imports 60% of it's oil from Canada.

So, expect your fuel prices to rise by 25% minimum.

China is right there, ready to buy it all up