Results of the use of the Oreshnik missile system in Dnepropetrovsk

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

i got my wonders about the image. if you look at the sides and backs the hole looks like a mine excavation done in levels, you can see the ridge.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

I wondered about that.

More like a quarry?

As for the claim about all those shift workers supposedly killed, I seem to recall a similar Russian claim that loads of NATO "Generals" were killed in an underground hardened bunker.

That was bunk, too.

Still, I live in hope that some evidence might be forthcoming, probably the triumph of hope over experience, though.

a reply to: RickyD

I would like that, too.

So far, this photo only seems to be posted on some Rostov on Don tourist Telegram Channel which can't be viewed.

You might think that if the photo was genuine that the Kremlin would be gleefully shouting about it?

a reply to: BernnieJGato

If that image was real, it would be on the front page of every single Ukranian news outlet...every 15 seconds, 24x7. Zilenskyy would have sent 15,000 copies of that image to the Biden cartel by now, from every imaginable angle...and he would have filled the bottom 10 feet of it with cow and pig blood to amplify the slaughter!!

MSNBC and CNN would have it on a non-stop loop around the clock.

Count on it!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yep. It's not real.

Just the latest Russian propaganda.

The image of firefighters on a house appears like archive footage of damage after interceptor missiles fired by Ukraine crashed onto residential homes. It is a pretty common occurrence that Ukraine's air defense missiles frequently cause fires in residential areas because for whatever odd reason, they prefer to deploy them in residential areas of the city. Probably so Zelensky can claim Russia is targeting houses and apartments, when too often it is quite clear the damage was not caused by a directed targeted missile, but by falling debris from Air Defense projectiles.

Now the image posted by the OP in the last page appears to be a clever photoshopping. What is certain is that no sattellite photo's by Western Companies are showing the lack of damage, which means another coverup is on going and the only thing we will see are images such as the one that looks like it hit some primitive building. And it is shown from an angle that does not offer a glimpse of the rest of the target site.

If we cannot get aerials, then the damage was greater than the NATO side wants to admit.

As of now, all we got are cheerleaders on both sides saying nani nani boo boo! Both trying to offer up archive images and outright fakes as proof for either claims. Which unfortunately, is exactly the same thing that has been happening for going on three years now. At least the MSM stopped using the Knob Creek Gun shoot in America as evidence of our allies smashing success on the battlefield. Oh wait that was the Syrian war with the White Helmets Staged rescue footage and celebrity children on social media pretending to be in fear for their lives while magically being found quite well and safe in foreign lands.

Sorry, I lose track of my MIC wars, the lies that justify them, and the outright exposed propaganda from each side. Maybe we will get lucky and there will be a barrage of social media bot posts from psychological warfare units recycling the knob creek gun shoot again as some kind of battlefield victory.

Remember how giddy everyone was in the first month when they tried to claim a Russian tank intentionally tried to run over a civilian car?? Yup, that Ukrainian tank that incompetently accidently crushed a civilian vehicle who's driver miraculously survived and was pulled from the wreckage pretty much set the pace for what we all know would be a propaganda war. And it continues right here on ATS where psy-ops/infowar units work full time trying to win over the hearts and minds of critical thinkers. Well, too bad they have zombified several formerly critical thinkers into party cheerleaders.

Already after Trump's win some people who were petrified of WW3 with Russia are suddenly cheerleading an impending direct confrontation with Russia?? A couple of them I know are just division units paid to cause chaos. But the actual users who changed their tune, shame on them. I don't want war with Russia under Biden, Harris, Clinton, Obama, DeSantis, Trump, Vance or anyone else. It is not necessary. Even a war with China should be avoided, but likely inevitable.

In any case, a lack of satellite footage reveal from either side of this Oreshnik missile attack would presume nobody particularly liked the outcome on either side. Less effective than the Russians had hoped, but still more destructive than NATO cares to admit.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

"It is a pretty common occurrence that Ukraine's air defense missiles frequently cause fires in residential areas because for whatever odd reason, they prefer to deploy them in residential areas of the city. Probably so Zelensky can claim Russia is targeting houses and apartments, when too often it is quite clear the damage was not caused by a directed targeted missile, but by falling debris from Air Defense projectiles."

Probably because Russia is actually targeting Ukraine towns and cities with drones and missiles?

This is somehow Zelensky's fault?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

Looks more like Gaza?

The more I look at it I think it has been excavated and not a bomb.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
yes Russia strikes infrastructure and production targets in these urban cores as has been the established precedent in every conflict NATO member states have been a party to, such as Iraq, Libya and Syria.

The thing is, these systems can work just fine when stationed outside of residential neighborhoods, and less likely to fall on houses when successful or failed. I mean it is bound to happen even outside of residential neighborhoods I suppose as one cannot know where in flight the weapon will be intercepted. But I feel at least moving then out of actual residential neighborhoods would be a wise thing. I suspect they keep them there to make it harder for the Russians to justify striking them with the collateral damage that would entail.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Yes it to me appeared like a photoshop of some kind of crater super imposed with a bombed out urban skyline to try and sell it better. I beieve it is 4 separate images combined into one. The Crater itself, the man standing in it with a suit, the bombed walls rising out of the crater, and the skyline at the top. Four separate images it appears to me.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Me too.

And the OP seems to have bugged out.

Looks like quarrying or excavating to me.

No scorching either.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Except Russia is and has been from day one been targeting civilian targets.

But blame Zelensky for Russia's war crimes in that regard, why don't you?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: worldstarcountry

"It is a pretty common occurrence that Ukraine's air defense missiles frequently cause fires in residential areas because for whatever odd reason, they prefer to deploy them in residential areas of the city. Probably so Zelensky can claim Russia is targeting houses and apartments, when too often it is quite clear the damage was not caused by a directed targeted missile, but by falling debris from Air Defense projectiles."

Probably because Russia is actually targeting Ukraine towns and cities with drones and missiles?

This is somehow Zelensky's fault?

It is.

Especially when you have a President of Ukraine that’s making false claims to the international community.

We are supplying billions of dollars in military weapons and sharing sensitive information with a regime that’s has a history of corrupt government officials and defense ministers. So it matters.

But nice try though.

a reply to: Imhere

False claims about what?

Whereas we have false unsupported claims about the damage that this supposed Oreshnik magically bunker busting wonder weapon is supposed to have caused which is the actual topic of this thread?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

False claims about what?

Whereas we have false unsupported claims about the damage that this supposed Oreshnik magically bunker busting wonder weapon is supposed to have caused which is the actual topic of this thread?

Did you not read the post you just replied to? Geezus

lol

a reply to: Imhere

Which one?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Whenever a claim was made about Russia targeting a residential building, it actually turned out the building was damaged by the debris of the anti aircraft missile, and was not the target of the Russian missile. Now power plants and manufacturing, obviously a different story. All energy generation and production facilities are fair military targets, as established by various NATO member states and their military adventurism of the past sixty years. So are media and communications facilities.

The first thing the UK and the USA and France do with their partners when they steamroll over a weak opponent is factories, energy, and communication after any air defense assets have been neutralized. You can go back into any of the countries who's sovereignty was violated by the trio in the past sixty years and basically see the same pattern. I am not knocking it they were legit targets when our guys did, they are legit targets when Russia does it.

The dishonest part is when people scream like kids on the playground that they are not permitted to have a double standard. Kind of reminds of those kids I used to play with back in the day cops and robbers. And there was the one kid who always had some magical shield for whatever reason to say why him getting hit does not count and keeps on shooting back when he should be out for the session. I bet all the foreign volunteers that were not actively part of any military were those kids.

a reply to: Imhere

Yes. Six impacts. The video has been posted several times.