Well, here we go red lines crossed Biden gives the go ahead to use long range missiles

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

The sooner you Yanks remove that d*ckhead Biden from power the better for the safety of the world. What a complete kn*b to authorise a missile attack using US weapons on the country with the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons on the planet. He's a total nutter and who knows how Putin will react when the Kremlin is hit.................... Sure won't be US mainland hit first my bet's on London as a first step towards hitting the poodle. Mental stuff that guy Biden needs removing TODAY

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Looking at the state of the rest of there military equipment on the field.

How much of that largest stockpile of nuclear weapons on the planet do you imagine is still 100% fully functional?

They cannot replace or rotate the wheels on their BMP properly ufoorbhunter and how many Satan 2s have failed to launch now?

3 out of 5 at last count, or thereabouts.

Again whats good for the goose is good for the gander and Russia have been hitting Ukraine with cruise missile salvos since day dot.

And went on to use NK and Iranian weaponry in the field of war, and continue to do so.

Why should Ukraine not be able to return the favour in kind?

Do you imagine Putin has to seek Kim Jong Un or Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's permission as to where he chooses to fire there drones, artillery, and missiles?

- Putin announced in September that Russia would retaliate against such a NATO attack

Biden was too cognitively impaired to run for reelection, but he is fit enough to attack the world's largest nuclear power before leaving office?

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Funny how Putin importing thousands of North Korean troops to fight in his war isn't seen as a "red line crossed" , Russia will complain because that's what they do but I doubt this really changes anything.

As long as the US missiles are only used against military targets , which I guess will be a stipulation , all's fair in love and war.

a reply to: andy06shake
Naah, you've been reading too much British BS. What we gave them through the Arctic convoys was a pi## in the ocean concerning their war effort. That was just a clever PR exercise to please Stalin. Look at all the weaponry they used till the end of the war and it wasn't provided by us.
The very main reason then as of now is MEN. Please look at the war dead of Russia compared to the Allied dead. Russia could and did throw in millions to defeat Germany compared to all the allies and they've still got millions to throw at Ukraine IF they wanted.

a reply to: gortex

Funny how Putin importing thousands of North Korean troops to fight in his war isn't seen as a "red line crossed"

I already postulated the same mate.

I mean its like one rule for Russia and another for Ukraine.

And bullies dont like it when their opponent fights back.

Knock them on their arse i say and let Mad Vlad get a taste of his own medicine for once.

I hope Ukraine puts a stormshadow through his front window and see how he likes them apples.

a reply to: crayzeed

Naah, you've been reading too much British BS. What we gave them through the Arctic convoys was a pi## in the ocean concerning their war effort

I don't believe that for one minute and neither does history.

The equipment and supplies given did not just come from the UK but from the US as well.

And it's not about what they used at the end of the war that's in question but the tools they were given in the beginning which helped keep them in the fight.

Without those convoys, the Russians would have folded like a deck of cards while Stalin was having his mental breakdown trying to get his head around the fact that Hitler's forces were battering on the front door.

It just takes one nuke to get through Andy and we are in a mess one out of 6000 to work a d we are e in a mess. Doing the polite as on delivery drive to both Derbyshire, layby talk a reply to: andy06shake

a reply to: crayzeed

Here is some information about those Arctic convoys:

ww2db.com...

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

That works both ways ufoorbhunter.

Nuclear war is a bad idea mate hence the MAD part.

Anyhoo ile let you get on with it, need to move my own arse soon.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Cheers here is some more also.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.iwm.org.uk...
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Said convoys were indeed a critical lifeline for the Soviet Union during World War II.

And their role in sustaining the USSR cannot be understated.

Without the Arctic convoys, the Soviet Union's ability to sustain its military operations and production would have been severely hampered.

And while you're correct that Russia had its own resources, the Allied Arctic convoys were a critical factor in its survival during the darkest days of the war.

As history clearly records.

originally posted by: Freeborn
Everyone crapping their pants because Putin says he may use nuclear weapons.

If we kowtow to Putin now it gives a greenlight for every tinpot dictator to threaten the use of nuclear weapons if their demands aren't satisfied safe in the knowledge that we haven't got the bottle or nerve to stand up to them.

People must be incredibly naive if they don't think Russia is now helping Iran and North Korea with their nuclear weapon programmes in return for their help in the war against Ukraine.

And what happens if Xi threatens the same over Taiwan?
Are they going to be sold down the river as well?

Just like with the bully in the schoolyard you have to stand up these people......because that is all Putin is, a bully using threatening and intimidatory tactics to get his own way.

Appeasement simply does not work, never has and never will.

I don't know man, this chit is more complex than a "bully in the schoolyard" analogy, Russia's been deeking around with tinpot dictators forever.

If you want to stay with the bully and the kid getting thier nose bloodied let's at least be honest about what it's turned into.

We still have your bully a drunken adult hooligan in a 3 years long stalemate, he has been pummeled and lost 1/5 to 1/4 of his punching power. At the same time, the skinny kid 10-year-old in the schoolyard has also been pummeled and lost 1/3 of thier strength while the rich university guy from America whose granddad owns an army surplus store keeps patching the skinny kid up and selling the skinny kid incrementally more and more weapons for the skinny kid to use. while the American military surplus store granddad tells the hooligan not to fight "one inch" outside the schoolyard.

All the while the teens in the kid's immediate neighborhood encourage the skinny kid to continue to fight the drunken adult hooligan because in the past the drunken hooligan has cursed, spit on, and threatened all the teens in the neighborhood. The teens gather all thier brass knuckles, clubs, and knives and give them to the kid but the hooligan is so drunk and fat they hurt but it's not enough to keep them from raging at the kid, at the end of the day it's still a 10-year-old kid against a drunk adult hooligan

Giving brass knuckles, knives, and clubs to a 10-year-old to use on a drunken hooligan sure he will get a hit or 3 in, but he will get pummeled for it in return every day in the schoolyard. Now the "bully hooligan" has brought in a backward brainwashed Asian exchange student to absorb some of the blows from and counter the blows with num chucks. The drunken hooligan then takes another swig of vodka and the rich university guy from America sells the 10-year-old a slingshot with plenty of ammo which will hurt the drunken hooligan and Asian exchange student at a distance but will just make the drunk hooligan more irrational and the brainwashed backward Asian student will ask his Mandarin uncle if he has any weapons they can send the drunk hooligan. While the drunk irrational hooligan threatens to burn down the school and schoolyard where the teens' neighborhood will get smoke damage or worse

Back and forth hit after hit after incremental hit more money and weapons flow to the skinny bloodied battered kid for 3 plus years. To where now the rich American kid has sold 1/2 of his granddad's Army surplus store to the kid and we are still stalemated.

Now the American and neighborhood teens can try one last time to talk to the drunken hooligan and tell him to leave the kid alone and leave the schoolyard.

once the American rich university student's orange-haired father returns, they all can sit down and try to come to terms before it all gets out of control and expands to the teens' neighborhood if not

He may empty his father's army surplus store and he and the neighborhood teens will FINALLY jump the fence and kick the hooligan's drunk ass which has been among thier capabilities all the whole time.

It's not appeasing the drunk hooligan, it's telling the drunk hooligan what will inevitably happen if they continue to pummel the skinny kid. It's about giving them one last time to sober up and talk to the orange-haired father who is back after some pressing legal issues. No matter what terms are discussed the skinny kid and the teens can continue to fight the drunk hooligan and the backward Asian exchange student but there's just no guarantee the orange-haired father will continue to clear out the Army surplus store to help.

After all, he has to think about all those other millions of backward Asian students and their Mandarin uncles and the rest of thier family. Among other domestic issues at home since he has been away.

a reply to: crayzeed

Naah, you've been reading too much British BS. What we gave them through the Arctic convoys was a pi## in the ocean concerning their war effort. That was just a clever PR exercise to please Stalin. Look at all the weaponry they used till the end of the war and it wasn't provided by us.

both stalin and khrushchev disagreed with that.

stalin said at the tehran conference in Nov 1943,

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

and little nikita wrote,

in his memoirs,

"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

soviet marshal georgy zhukov 1943 to 1957 under stalin, later minister of defence of the soviet union among other high ranking positions from feb, 1955 to nov, oct 1957 wrote in his book,

: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."

you need to check things out before you make statements that can be easily proven to the contrary, when their leaders at the time said they would have been toast if it wasn't for the U.S. and UK. and check out the numbers given them.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

So its ok for Russia to use all of its conventional missile arsenal and weaponry from North Korea and Iran against Ukraine but Ukraine can't retaliate in kind?
Look at the civilian casualties Ukraine is currently incurring thanks to Russia's somewhat indiscriminate bombing.

As long as the US missiles are only used against military targets I really can't see the problem.
You reap what you sow.

At the end of the day Putin could always call an immediate ceasefire and request open and honest negotiations without any ridiculous preconditions.

Imagine long range ballistic missiles detected entering US airspace.
Any guess what our immediate response would be?

a reply to: CarlLaFong

We would destroy the launchers and missiles before they could be used.

Putin did that to some planes Poland sent to Ukraine. Blew up their hanger.

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
Imagine long range ballistic missiles detected entering US airspace.
Any guess what our immediate response would be?

From a nation, you have already invaded and occupied a significant proportion of mind you.

So there is that.

And it's not just like Ukraine are doing so for kicks and hoots.

But to return the favour in kind.

a reply to: andy06shake

You know the US would immediately be at DEFCON 1.

a reply to: CarlLaFong

Imagine long range ballistic missiles detected entering US airspace.

Russia starts a war in which it gets military aid from its friends but the Ukrainians can't use military aid from its friends inside Russia because theirs is better ?

If we want to see an end to this war Ukraine must be allowed to target the Russian military inside Russia , I can't think of a military conflict in history where the invaded Country aren't allowed to attack inside the country of the aggressor , if you want to draw a war out I guess that's the way to do it.

As for Russia's Nukes , China says No and Putin really can't afford to piss them off.

I heard an interesting take this morning.

This can work in everyone’s favor soon if navigated properly.

Russia has been ramping up its offensive since the election results in the US, seemingly trying to get as much territory as they can before sitting at the table.

This puts a little bit of pressure back on them, and potentially slows their push.

The current admin can take the blame, and the incoming one can use this as a bargaining chip while also not being the ones who made the call.

It’s also been reported by a few outlets (grain of salt) that North Korea is now mulling over sending 100k additional troops. If that’s related, it shows that the pressure is being felt.