Should we look for the truth, or just let it go?

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

If debt can be slowed and GDP continue to rise, the economic outcome will improve.

One problem. There is interest on the national debt where there is still borrowing.

Interest payments on the national debt top $1 trillion as deficit swells

www.cnbc.com...

Where inflation needs to be reigned in.

Inflation is necessary for growth, but if you do not limit inflation to a reasonable rate, then things fall apart.

How is inflation above 3 percent signs of a healthy economy?

What are you, like 12 years old.

I'm clearly not 12 years old. One of my close friends is an Economics Professor, and he'd laugh at your naivety.

The average annual inflation rate for the USA from 1913 to 2024 is 3.17%, but the real start of growth of the US economy as a powerhouse began in approximately 1975.

Several times before the '70's, the US economy crashed, going negative due to the low profitability of a low interest economy. 3% is a bit low for stability's sake.

The average annual inflation rate for the USA from 1975 to 2024 is 3.96%.

The very steepest growth rate for the US economy was between 2020 and 2024, where the average annual inflation rate is 5.13%

I would suggest that a stable and safe level of inflation would be to maintain it at 4% as far as possible. This gives incentive for investment and growth, without devaluing currency too much.

www.inflationtool.com

World Inflation Rate 1981-2024

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

By the Dawn's Early Light 😀

Except in Alaska and US Antarctic territories, where they don't always have dawns early light.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

The downturn in the US economy clearly began before Trump had left office.

You mean the lockdowns because of Covid, with democrat lead states and cities having some of the most stringent lockdowns and restrictions who could work. And what could be produced.

Yeah.

Did you know that the US has been through stuff like wars and other pandemics before the COVID pandemic? And that somehow, they didn't have the same levels of unemployment. And despite the poor levels of tech back then, they also seemed to do quite well in coping with the issues, overall.

Maybe the guy at the top during COVID was a potato, who spent his time throwing spanners into the works as a hobby?

originally posted by: Cracka

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tjack
Nobody is above the law amirite?

Not even the President elect.

And any attempt to pardon themselves is corruption, pure and simple.

if you wish to comment on US things, you might want to educate yourself on US things. Like the Constitution. Start with finding the part where a president can't pardon himself and go from there.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 places the President above the law. It is political corruption written into the US Constitution from the get-go.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 also contradicts the Presidential pledge of office, and Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Even under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the President cannot grant any pardon without the specific written advice of the principal officers of the executive departments. Nor can the President pardon themselves from an impeachment.

Presidential pardons dilute the balance of the judicial branch to make lawful judgement and that of Congress to enact binding laws.

Yep, so if need be, Trump can pardon himself. Now you might start to grasp this.

But if some other political leader had committed crimes, and then pardoned themselves through political power and influence, would that mean that they didn't commit those crimes?

I mean, what's to stop someone in that position from lying, cheating, stealing, murder, and etc, then they just say, nah, I'm all good, I pardon myself. Do you think that isn't obvious corruption?

Impeachment would stop them. You would also need to CONVICT them during the impeachment.

Impeachment and conviction happen after a crime has been committed. They don't make a crime happen.

And sometimes, the bad guys just walk free on a technicality.

It doesn't make them good guys.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: hangedman13
a reply to: chr0naut

All of your comparisons are just junk about the US election system. The US is made up of different states, or mini countries if you will. All with different values and population size. We use the electoral college to try and migrate large population centers drowning out the outlying areas. For instance NY went mostly red except for NYC, Albany and a few other counties. First blush because Kamala won the state was that she strongly won it. Not quite. But in NY it is winner take all. So she got those votes from the electoral college. But even in allegedly blue NY she was not that popular.

Read the Federalist Papers 54–55. The Electoral College mechanism had its genesis in the 3/5ths compromise and slavery. It's still in the Constitution:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

No it isn't "still in the Constitution".😀 You've been pressing this for a few weeks now and sneak it in when ever you can. 😁 And you never did show any examples of where it is still used.

In the United States Constitution, the Three-fifths Compromise is part of Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment (1868) later superseded this clause and explicitly repealed the compromise.


Three-fifths Compromise

Did you know that Trump's lawyers in 2020 tried arguing that the 3/5ths compromised referred to undocumented entrants to the US, because they were 'other people'.

Of course, Trump's lawyers lost, but it indicates that the clause has NOT been rescinded and is still in legal statute, poisoning US law.

originally posted by: chr0naut


Did you know that the US has been through stuff like wars and other pandemics before the COVID pandemic?

Not with this much national debt. With states in debt. California is over 500 billion in debt.

What lead to the collapse of the USSR. Do people learn nothing from history.

With looming interest payments.

While we are being flooded with millions of illegal aliens from who knows where. Terrorists to Chinese men of military age.

With China flooding the USA with fentanyl and electronics loaded with spyware. While will stupidity sources vital electronics for military hardware from China. In a time where China has been caught with illegal labs in the USA and China has set up secret police stations. With many a politicians with ties and marrying members with ties to the CCP.

originally posted by: chr0naut


Did you know that Trump's lawyers in 2020 tried arguing that the 3/5ths compromised referred to undocumented entrants to the US, because they were 'other people'.

Care to cite an actual source with actual context?

originally posted by: chr0naut


Of course, Trump's lawyers lost, but it indicates that the clause has NOT been rescinded and is still in legal statute, poisoning US law.

Care to explain who and how it’s is wronging? If the laws in not “rescinded”, then why did Trump lose a case based off what you claim where you didn’t cite any material of and give actual context.

a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

a reply to: chr0naut

The COVID lockdowns (not Trump policies "at the time") caused more business closings than anything before.
🆘🥶️stop it stop it

Did COVID cause people to lose jobs?
COVID-19 caused an unprecedented economic crisis, with inequitable effects. From February to April 2020, employment decreased by 22 million jobs– more than twice the number lost during the Great Recession (Figure 1). 1 The unemployment rate peaked at 14.8 percent in April 2020

a reply to: Lazy88

Seems like deflection and whataboutism isn’t slowing down the reality that something will likely happen.

Trump's top contender for head of the CIA, Kash Patel:
-Wants to implement a 24/7 declassification office releasing files about JFK and 9/11.
-On day one, he wants to bring out Jeffrey Epstein's black book of names that were being blackmailed.
-He wants to bring out all the Russia Gate files that are hidden and expose the truth about the January 6th pipe bomber.
-He told Steve Bannon he wanted to exact justice and find the conspirators in the government and the media who worked to usurp the will of the people.
-He wants systematic change at the FBI and CIA coming from an awakened American people.
It's going to be an incredible four years, Patriots.

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Regarding the OP, I think history -- perhaps a decade or so from now, will record the truth. It will be compared to the yellow journalism , and McCarthyism of the past insofar as unfair and unlawful prosecution of individuals and groups, and proliferation of propaganda and news suppression.

They won't be able to record the truth, however, unless most of us push for it. This is not an anti-T&C call for recruiting, but a general alert, that some horrors of history need to be recorded. Many of the horrors of the past have been glossed over. Those skeletons need to see the light of day also. We should never EVER try to rewrite history. We should never tear down statues or burn books or look a artistic works through the lens of modern times. What we have to do is look at those things directly, and LEARN from them. Uncle Remus shouldn't be burned. Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird!!! WTH are they thinking!!! It's not a racist book, but a reflection of the times. If these books make you angry for the sins of the past, GOOD!!

Those that don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Let us all learn this # together, please, FINALLY, and grow.

YES!! We should look for the truth, and wave it like a flag for all to see! That is true freedom.