Should we look for the truth, or just let it go?

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: chr0naut

Find a hobby other than crying about Trump.

This is Trump's 'Murica again.

The Democrats might not win another presidential election for a long time if they don't drop the identity politics and start caring about the regular, legal American citizens.

He was elected to govern it, he doesn't own it. And he is expected to hand over the controls after again playing with them.

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: chr0naut

Find a hobby other than crying about Trump.

Or just posting right BS…

Not like anyone cares about my perspective in this topic, but I think making America great again should be *the* priority. Finding the truth is a luxury and most Americans have priorities, truth being rather less urgent than the obvious challenges in front of us.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: chr0naut

Someday, you'll realize you've been lied to, these past 8 years.

Never happen, for a lot of them.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Truth is the bedrock of Greatness. The only way to achieve Greatness is by aligning with Truth, Justice...*the American Way*... the ideals that made America great in the first place.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Cracka

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tjack
Nobody is above the law amirite?

Not even the President elect.

And any attempt to pardon themselves is corruption, pure and simple.

if you wish to comment on US things, you might want to educate yourself on US things. Like the Constitution. Start with finding the part where a president can't pardon himself and go from there.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 places the President above the law. It is political corruption written into the US Constitution from the get-go.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 also contradicts the Presidential pledge of office, and Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Even under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the President cannot grant any pardon without the specific written advice of the principal officers of the executive departments. Nor can the President pardon themselves from an impeachment.

Presidential pardons dilute the balance of the judicial branch to make lawful judgement and that of Congress to enact binding laws.

Yep, so if need be, Trump can pardon himself. Now you might start to grasp this.

But if some other political leader had committed crimes, and then pardoned themselves through political power and influence, would that mean that they didn't commit those crimes?

I mean, what's to stop someone in that position from lying, cheating, stealing, murder, and etc, then they just say, nah, I'm all good, I pardon myself. Do you think that isn't obvious corruption?

Impeachment would stop them. You would also need to CONVICT them during the impeachment.

Impeachment and conviction happen after a crime has been committed. They don't make a crime happen.

And sometimes, the bad guys just walk free on a technicality.

It doesn't make them good guys.

Wow