The Timeline For the Endtimes

Originally posted by DigitalGrl This forum is supposed to be about the end times based on biblical text. So if you want to debate the revelance of the bible lets start a new forum..or go speak in one that has already been started.

And I did just that! I have provided my thoughts as to the roots of Revelation, and then went on to state those roots have been doctered. It is obvious then that since the words of God need not be doctored these works cannot be considered to be of him and therefore fallacious in whole or in part. And even if just in part, then none of it can be accepted as fact, therefore there is no end times to discuss.

But you would rather not ponder the implications of the plagiarism and problems of fallacy within the books and would rather opt instead to perpetuate the myth of end times.

People are very gullible, it does not take much to play to certain minds and suck them in, where once a story takes off those minds just run with it and before long it is accepted as fact. To wit:

Orson Welles did a fine job of creating mass panic in a matter of minutes. How easy was that? Some fool writes a story about a big ship hiding behind Jupiter and he now has a huge following believing his story. He and others like him are getting rich on the gullible, and the more he feeds them they more they believe.

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
\]And I did just that! I have provided my thoughts as to the roots of Revelation, and then went on to state those roots have been doctered. It is obvious then that since the words of God need not be doctored these works cannot be considered to be of him and therefore fallacious in whole or in part.

Okay, once again, they have only been doctored in YOUR OPPINOIN! But moving beyond that, do you not think that God could create a series of events that would lead to the eventual bible as he wanted it. And if you gave him the power to do such a thing, could it not be that the Holy Bible of which so many of us Christians like to quote and read is actually that book that God has created divinely? If you don't you are giving God way too little credit.

And even if just in part, then none of it can be accepted as fact, therefore there is no end times to discuss.

There are many more books in the bible which discuss the End of Times other than revelation. But quoting the book of enoch and some similarities that you see doesn't qualify as evidence. It just shows that, if you believe the book of enoch, God wanted to get his point across again. Are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all fake because they are similar?

But you would rather not ponder the implications of the plagiarism and problems of fallacy within the books and would rather opt instead to perpetuate the myth of end times.

Again this is your opinion, and in no way is this factual.

People are very gullible, it does not take much to play to certain minds and suck them in, where once a story takes off those minds just run with it and before long it is accepted as fact. To wit:

Orson Welles did a fine job of creating mass panic in a matter of minutes. How easy was that? Some fool writes a story about a big ship hiding behind Jupiter and he now has a huge following believing his story. He and others like him are getting rich on the gullible, and the more he feeds them they more they believe.

You are 100% correct. People can and do create stories that people will fall for. So, which story was it that you heard?

Listen, this is your belief that it is a fallacy. It is our beliefs that it isn't. You have gotten your point across, now either contribute to the discussion about the end of times in the bible or just leave this thread.

And NO, it is no longer contributing to the discussion by challenging what truth Revelation actually contains.


The End.

All this stuff about the anti-chirst.... OK here's what both the Catholic and King James bible say about this subject:

1. No person will know the day and time of the begining of the Tribulation.
2. There is not just one anti-Christ (there have been several through out history)
3. The devil (Satan) has absolutely no idea when the Tribulation will begin only God knows and he ain't tellin'.
4. There will be two big baddies at the end The anit-Christ who will be possessed by Satan and the False Prophet who will be a very bad person who is suffering from religous delusions. (Many people think that this will be the last Catholic Pope who has been infulenced by Free Mason philosopy and the worship of the black Madonna)
5. Satan can not be omni-present and can't know the future...He's just an angel ( one of the three arc angels) who was cast from Heaven for wanting to take over. Since Satan can't possibly know the day or time that the tribulation will start and just has to postulate like the rest of us.. he has had to keep some pretty good canidates to turn into the anti-Christ waitng in the wings. (Hitler, Stalin, Attila the Hun)

Now, this is my own personal thought.. If you were Satan, who is the FATHER OF LIES you would probably want the world to think the end was near all the time, it would keep people on the edge and they would grow accustomed to all the wars, earthquakes, floods...etc. and begin to be complacent. I mean the more people he takes to hell, the bigger the army he has. Think about it.

Originally posted by minky

Now, this is my own personal thought..

Take note of that Somewhereinbetween. Thank you minky for actually contributing to the conversation You do put up some very clever ideas, and it most definitely doesn't limit the Anti-Christ to just one.

minky....
I agree with everything that you said. and i didnt dismiss it just because you mentioned the word catholic..see us (missori synod) Lutherans arent all bad lol.

But the part you said about satan is something i have always been taught. He isnt omni-present. And i think sometimes people forget that fact. So thanks for bringing it to light and reminding us. He is not on equal footing with God he is simply able to nip at his heal. (as described in biblical text).

Thanks again minky.

and i would also just like to say....
AMEN ryan.

Kind Regards,
Digital Grl

Thanks. Digi... I'd hate for Satan to get the credit he doesn't deserve. All things act in accordance to God. Including him...

Originally posted by Ryanp5555[Okay, once again, they have only been doctored in YOUR OPPINOIN!

And that opinion has been formed by a great deal of scholarly research, which far outweighs blind faith. While it may be my opinion, it is one that holds far more weight given the details I present, than the silly and everchanging attempts over the last 1700 years to make Revelation fit the current times. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever that you dommsday singers continually do this and refuse to objectively look at the book in context against the era it was written. Therefore, "your opinion," and note, I have no need to shout with fonts, is worthless.

But moving beyond that, do you not think that God could create a series of events that would lead to the eventual bible as he wanted it.

How many times must I post my thoughts on God? You are in just about every thread I am and have debated with me several times. It does not sink in because you do not wish it to, I suppose. God has no need to put that which he has placed in every fibre of your being into writing, especially writing that is unequivocally flawed. I do not need to believe in your Jesus or your demons to believe in God therefore, and I refuse to believe in your mythological tales because the God(s) contained within them are false. Get it yet?

And if you gave him the power to do such a thing, could it not be that the Holy Bible of which so many of us Christians like to quote and read is actually that book that God has created divinely? If you don't you are giving God way too little credit.

You quote it and read it but you do so in a dream state. A dream state that from the very first time you picked iup the book, you were filled with preconceived notions and tainted perceptions of the stories contained within, but read it all you want. What bothers me is when you continually spout the nonsense that Jesus is the only way, in just about every post, and if you want to push those fallacies of faith, know that I am going to counter them with reasoned and researched rebuttal.

There are many more books in the bible which discuss the End of Times other than revelation.

Once more for your edification. From Genesis 1:1 to Malachi 4:5, the stories relative to what God is, is absolute malarky, brought to you by backward people who had more than one agenda for rewriting their Egyptian birthright and their Egyptian god myths with a new spin. I could have stopped with Genesis 2:25 even, because when all of that is a lie, everything that follows afterward is also a lie, including your precious NT.

Again this is your opinion, and in no way is this factual.

What is factual about having faith in your God? Do you apply the same logic to your entire life? Does faith drive everything you do in your existence? Would you hire someone as a lawyer, accountant, banker, who has no knowledge in those fields but tells you to have faith? Did you or do you go through schooling without doing research and rely on faith for your future? Do you go to a faith-healer for your annual checkup? No you don't! With all else you do in life you do it based on a required standard of knowledge, yet when it comes to God, you willingly throw his gift right out the window and prop yourself up on this thing called faith in a God designed by man.

Listen, this is your belief that it is a fallacy.

Here is your last chance. Telling me it is a fallacy is a copout. If you want to continue this dialogue, then tell me why I am wrong, and give me reasoned and intelligent arguments, not empty rhetoric or baseless nonsense that Jesus is God.

You are the same fellow who jumped all over that person asking about her creepers, and told her to get away from the cause of same, her Catholicism and believe as you do. Yet, you speak to having bouts of "oppression" and hope that some day your prayers to your God will be answered. Well your God is either failing you or your faith isn't working. So don't be telling me about fallacies.

First of all you say the research you have used to come about your claim has been done through "scholarly research". There is no way to prove that that is true, since none of us know you personally you know?

BUT ANYWAY....the topic was discussing endtimes through the concepts that are used in the bible. And we are speaking in terms of IF REVALATION is true what do you think it is saying and revealing to us. this isnt a forum talking about whether it is or isnt credible.
if you dont think revelation is true and dont want to contribute to the hypothetical question that was asked to start this thread. Then dont post...go to a post that talks about the credibility of revelation.
so like i said can we please get back to the topic at hand...it was rather interesting.


Kind Regards,
Digital Grl

[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]

Originally posted by Rocky003
First Off the 3rd Temple WILL NOT Be Built Before the Tribulation...This IS The Timeline

true, but it's not the 3rd temple. Call it the millenial temple of Ezekiel 40-48.

1. Russia and Her Allies Attack Israel - This Is the Key To The Rapture RIGHT HERE! Either Right Before or Just After They attempt to attack Israel, The Rapture Will Occur and Gods Chosen People Will Be Taken Up! God Will Shield Israel and Whipe out of of Her Enemies...Most Will think It Was a Nucular Bomb!

2. People Who are Left on Earth Will Frantically Wonder What Happened to their Loved ones....As this is Happening the Antichrist Will Appera out of Nowhere and End the Everlasting war BEtween Israel and the arabs With a 7 Year Peace Treaty, Thus Begining the Tribulation Period

I disagree.

First there will be a time of peace when the whole world will recognize their ignorance of the real land of Israel and the real Jerusalem(which are in what we call Egypt). The hearts of the fathers(patriarchs) will be toward their children(us) and vise-versa. The problem with mainline Evangelical Rapture theories is that they think Israel is already replenished and that the prohecies about them have already been fulfilled(which have not).

3. During the First 3 1/2 Years Of his Reign he Will act Nice to everyone like hes Your Best Friend, Decieveing those Who Claim He is the Real Saviour...During this Time HE Will ask The Jews To Construct his Temple in which he Will Reign

He will have a fierce countenance and not regard women(Daniel 8). He will magnify himself all the way up to the prince of the host. Prior to this, animal sacrifice will have been re-established(but no temple yet, folks), only the altar.(which is separate from the temple. Once he kills the prince of the host, he will take the seat of the throne reserved for Jesus Christ. Because he is not God, he can't withstand intense heat, the antichrist will have to stop the fires literally in order to sit in God's throne.(make sense?)
God is a consuming fire and can withstand heat(Heb 12)

4. After the Temple Is Built The Antichrist Will Get Reports that 144,000 Jews With the Mark Of God (The Mark Makes Them Not Suffer the Tribulation Trials) Are on Earth Preaching to those Who Still Do Not Believe that They Have a Second Chance to Still Make it into Heaven...When This Happens (at the Halfway Point of the Tribulation Period) The Antichrist Breaks His Peace Deal With the Arabs and Israel and Demands those Who Believe he is the True Christ To Pledge Allegence to Him to Wear the Mark Of a Man (666) On Thier Hand Or Forehead...Those Who Accept the Mark Will Be able to Buy or sell anything But Their Soul Will Belong To The Devil For all Eternity...Those Who Do Not accept The Mark Will Be Either Hunted and Killed Or Starve to Death (Unless You Can Find Or Stock Up On Food)

Not true.
The temple will be built during the millenial resurrection by the hand of the resurrected Zerrubabel(Zech 4). The 144,000 saints are 1st century firstfruits, as I mentoned earlier in this post.

I agree that there will be different stages of raptured saints.
The 70 weeks in Daniel 9 have been misunderstood entirely. Misrepresenting them for "weeks of years" is the main problem. They are to be taken literally, as in 490 days.
The "Messiah cut off" spoken of is not Jesus Christ, it is reffering to God's anointed one(prince of the host).
Once he dies, a great flood stemming from the High Answan Dam will erupt flowing down into the holy city(Giza) and the antichrist will reign for 3.5 years.

5. During the Last 3 1/2 Years the Antichrist Will actually Be Shot and Killed but Will Arise again Just Like the Real Christ Did 3 Days Later....Weird But True! This Will Make the World Truly See He Is Christ and Most Will Pledge allegence to Him

sounds good but, Jesus himself will descend from heaven with his army(Joel 2, Daniel 8, Matt 24) and enter from the east. Touch down on the Mount of Olives(Zech14) and start proceeding westward consuming everything it his path until he reaches the holy city(Giza) and slays the imposter.

6. At The Closing Of the Tribulation The Great White Throne Of Judgement Appears Before all Survivors Who Lasted it....And Those Who Survived Will Be accountable for thier actions and Sins

ok

7. Those Who Hide Out During the Tribulation Without the Antichrist Finding them Will Rebuld this World after the Tribulation is Over for 1000 Years...During this Time the World Will Repopulate again.....After the 1000 Years is Over ARMAGEDDON Will Happen as God Lets Satan Out and Gives him 1 More Chance to Change his Ways...He Dont of Course and God Puts Him in the Botomless Pit And Locks Him away Forever!

After the Trib,(for 1,000 years) Jesus will sit on his throne. Healing waters will flow down his holy mountain(Great Pyramid) eastward. They will go 4,000 cubits into the brook Kidron(tributary of the Nile). They will heal the land(Ezekiel 47). The world will repopulate and resurrected saints of old will dwell in peace with modern saints.

After the 1,000 years Satan and his mighty army will come in from the outside of the earth and surround the holy city. Fire will come down and consume them.

After this, the New Jerusalem will descend down from the middle of heaven(earth). It is a pyramid structure 1,500 miles square at the base and 1,500 high. All those who have been sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ will dwell there with him and his father.

The Beginning.


[edit on 4-5-2005 by Plumbo]

Well.
I just read this entire thread. As a former bible student, it was...well?
Why do people believe these arcane, obscure references to be pertinent to the majors players in the world today?
I understand that some believe things because they have been brought up to do so and their religion or "faith" compells them to do so.
But for those of us that remain "unafilliated" with those constraints, of which there are many of us here, why do some of us think that these references apply?

Originally posted by DigitalGrl
First of all you say the research you have used to come about your claim has been done through "scholarly research". There is no way to prove that that is true, since none of us know you personally you know?

Correct, you do not. In which case we are all idiots on this site, and you need better bait.

BUT ANYWAY....the topic was discussing endtimes through the concepts that are used in the bible.

Correct again, bravo!

And we are speaking in terms of IF REVALATION is true what do you think it is saying and revealing to us. this isnt a forum talking about whether it is or isnt credible.

Sorry, but you missed the attempt at the $1,000 question. The thread topic is: "The timeline for the endtimes" That to some of us idiots as acknowledged above, may infer "if," and to some it may mean that this thread is off limits to anyone not agreeing with one point of view, but to the other idiots in here, such as me, unless there is a lock on the thread it is open season for debate to show there is no timeline. So once more, I will not stand by and watch erroneous information which is capable of reaching around the globe do so, too many maleable and gullible minds have been infected with end times tripe.

if you dont think revelation is true and dont want to contribute to the hypothetical question that was asked to start this thread.

Wrong again! I do not think it is not true, I know it to be not true and will not allow it to be perpetuated when I see it. Sorry to spoil your party, but this end times myth and nonsense is no longer able to be force fed to the masses in this day and age.

Then dont post...go to a post that talks about the credibility of revelation.

Are you telling me then that I am not to partake in the open discussion this DB offers? Are you in fact insinuating that once a poster declares a topic in a thread to be sitting on one side of the fence that only posts of like mind are permitted? Did I park my IP in the wrong spot in cyber-space when I deliberately avoided fundi websites and instead ended up in an undercover fundi site? What next, a call to have it removed to BTS? It is the favourite spot of late for religious threads which are not all gushy about Jesus and Christianity, you might want to make that appeal.

It is not my problem that you would rather not face reality when confronted with same my dear, but whenever you see this ID logged in and you do not wish to have reality front and centre, your best bet is to hit up a fundi or domsdaysayers site, or keep your end time holocaust love-in confined to private messaging.

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
And that opinion has been formed by a great deal of scholarly research, which far outweighs blind faith. While it may be my opinion, it is one that holds far more weight given the details I present, than the silly and everchanging attempts over the last 1700 years to make Revelation fit the current times. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever that you dommsday singers continually do this and refuse to objectively look at the book in context against the era it was written. Therefore, "your opinion," and note, I have no need to shout with fonts, is worthless.

Okay, perhaps my opinion is worthless, but as it pretains to THIS post your point is moot. This is a post discussing the end of times timeline according to revelation and the rest of the bible, regardless if you believe in it or not. It is a hypothetical post; assuming it is correct than this is supposed to happen, and then we discuss that. Many scholars may agree that revelation is in fact nothing more than a man's own distaste for Nero, however, this is irrelevant because we are talking as if we are to assume that the entire bible is correct. Accept it. (not saying you must accept that the entire bible is correct, but that we are talking as if the bible is correct.)

How many times must I post my thoughts on God? You are in just about every thread I am and have debated with me several times. It does not sink in because you do not wish it to, I suppose. God has no need to put that which he has placed in every fibre of your being into writing, especially writing that is unequivocally flawed. I do not need to believe in your Jesus or your demons to believe in God therefore, and I refuse to believe in your mythological tales because the God(s) contained within them are false. Get it yet?

Yes i get it, however I am not trying to convert you to Christianity, I am simply trying to discuss the end of times timeline according to the bible that the rest of us believe in. Do you get that yet? (PS we have debated before? No disrespect meant or anything, i generally don't pay attention to who I debate, I just don't remember me and you going at it before. Was I a third party debater perhaps?)

You quote it and read it but you do so in a dream state. A dream state that from the very first time you picked iup the book, you were filled with preconceived notions and tainted perceptions of the stories contained within, but read it all you want. What bothers me is when you continually spout the nonsense that Jesus is the only way, in just about every post, and if you want to push those fallacies of faith, know that I am going to counter them with reasoned and researched rebuttal.

Good for you, and that is not sarcasm. However, this is a thread assuming those timelines in the bible are correct posted in the Predictions and Prophecies forum. So, we are here to discuss what the timeline is, not if it actually exists.

Once more for your edification. From Genesis 1:1 to Malachi 4:5, the stories relative to what God is, is absolute malarky, brought to you by backward people who had more than one agenda for rewriting their Egyptian birthright and their Egyptian god myths with a new spin. I could have stopped with Genesis 2:25 even, because when all of that is a lie, everything that follows afterward is also a lie, including your precious NT.

well all of that is just your opinion. Where is the proof that it was written as an agenda? You have no idea what those people were thinking when they wrote it, nor do I. So, I will continue what I want to believe, and I am sure you will too.

What is factual about having faith in your God? Do you apply the same logic to your entire life? Does faith drive everything you do in your existence? Would you hire someone as a lawyer, accountant, banker, who has no knowledge in those fields but tells you to have faith? Did you or do you go through schooling without doing research and rely on faith for your future? Do you go to a faith-healer for your annual checkup? No you don't! With all else you do in life you do it based on a required standard of knowledge, yet when it comes to God, you willingly throw his gift right out the window and prop yourself up on this thing called faith in a God designed by man.

Actually, God found me. As I stated before, I used to be an athiest. God showed me who he was, and told me what to believe in. If you want to know more about that then feel free to u2u me, and if not, than that is fine.

Here is your last chance. Telling me it is a fallacy is a copout. If you want to continue this dialogue, then tell me why I am wrong, and give me reasoned and intelligent arguments, not empty rhetoric or baseless nonsense that Jesus is God.

You are the same fellow who jumped all over that person asking about her creepers, and told her to get away from the cause of same, her Catholicism and believe as you do. Yet, you speak to having bouts of "oppression" and hope that some day your prayers to your God will be answered. Well your God is either failing you or your faith isn't working. So don't be telling me about fallacies.

Okay, I never told her to get away from being Catholic. I am Catholic. I simply debated with another Catholic member about how one could say that a Priest is more capable than you to speak to Jesus and call upon his power. Secondly, when did I ever talk about being oppressed? I am lost there. And trust me, OUR God is neither failing me, and my faith is working. I don't remember the context that statement was in, however I would just like to get back to this post as it was meant to be discussed. We all understand that you believe that Revelation is incorrect, as well as other parts, if not all, of the bible. That is fine, now please discuss the end of times timeline according to the bible, or just stop talking about how wrong we are. If we are wrong, let us be wrong, we would just like to continue the conversation about the timeline. I don't feel like I need to respond to anything else simply because this whole thing has gotten very repititious between us. For feeling the need to educate us I am going to give you a WATS vote, however, this is done as far as I am concerned.

Thank you,
Ryan

Originally posted by dbrandt

The 24 elders in the Revelation is the church(born again believers ). We see them in heaven before the events of Revelation start. Then there is the great multitude in Rev. ch. 7. They are people that come to Christ during the tribulation period.

A taking of believers to heaven before the actual tribulation time is going to happen. There are MANY others verses in the Bible telling of this.

Revelation 13:10: "This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints."


people are taking the mark of the beast now; its already here. If you doubt me just look up the word verichip, digital angel, or applied digital.

People right now in Hakkensack New Jersey are volunteering to have this chip implated into there right forearm in the HUMC Hakkensack University Medical center.

Furthermore, the antichrist is alreafy here as well- he just hasn't taken center stage yet simply because its not his time quite yet. Don't think so, huh?

I even know his name; it's Javier Solana. Look it up you'll find a very recent as well as interesting article this man has written for a magazine called Global agenda. I've posted this article on another thread using his name as the topic. Anyone wanna take bets?

Ok first of all..i never said you were an idiot.
Second of all i dont mean that people who have differing opinons cant post.
i simply stated that the idea of this thread was to talk about the timeline of the endtimes BASED on the book of revelation. Not do you think it is credible.

And trust me..im not scared of a debate lol. so that has nothing to do with it. and as far as the fundi doomsdayers...i simply said that i believe in the bible which includes the book of revelation. Whether or not i agree with how the people in this thread are interpreting it is another thing. i personally dont think we can make an EXACT timeline because if we could then when it was happening we would know the day and the hour..and it says we cant know. So really to me..focusing all your time in trying to decifer a timeline that not even (in my belief) the Son knows is a waste of time. But in speaking in hypothetical or "what do you think" i feel is fine and makes for interesting conversation.

As far as me being a fundi..thats far from the truth. Why are people that have a set of beliefs always concidered fundi's huh? what an easy way out of a convo. "oh you are a fundi so therefore i cant talk to you about this".
Personally...i dont claim to know when the END of everything is gonna happen..like i said IMHOP...waste of time to try..interesting to discuss though, i just live my life to the best of my ability, have fun, do my thing, and if it happens it happens and if i die before the world goes then i die. When it comes its not like i can stop it anyways so whats the point in freaking out is how i look at it.

All i meant by my comment was this is a discussion thread based ideas people are wondering about as far as the account revelation gives.....i didnt think it was a big deal that i said that. If you want to debate about the credibilty of the actual book then go to a thread that has that heading. Thats why this site has catagories right? thats all i meant. pretty logical statement..at least i think so.

Anyway..we arent really progressing in any topic here...this thread is pretty much dead i think.

Kind Regards,
Digital Grl

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
Okay, perhaps my opinion is worthless, but as it pretains to THIS post your point is moot. This is a post discussing the end of times timeline according to revelation and the rest of the bible, regardless if you believe in it or not.

Okay, perhaps my opinion is worthless, but as it pretains to THIS post your point is moot. This is a post discussing the end of times timeline according to revelation and the rest of the bible, regardless if you believe in it or not.It is moot only because you wish to be indulging in a one-sided debate. If ATS has changed its position from denying ignorance to perpetuating fantasy, then I have no business on this site. If however it has not done so, then you have no business expecting that a thread topic is only open to a one-sided point of view. The latter I take it is what you expect, no? You want no one to challenge you as you, is that not correct?

It is a hypothetical post; assuming it is correct than this is supposed to happen, and then we discuss that.

I do not care if it is hypothetical, even if it the thread topic described it as such. My position is quite clear, to allow you doomsday propagandists free reign on such topics on the internet, is to open your threads to those looking for answers, and when they find nothing but your insane ramblings of damnation, they, depending on their ability to think objectively will walk away with your insipid point of view. That is what you wish to promulgate, but I will not sit by and watch you disseminate such trash. You wish to do that without my interference, then visit a Christian website, you will not find me in such a place, vapidity is not something seek out.

Actually, God found me.

I see, God was looking for converts. He was obviously campaigning for recruits to his cause, and showed his impotence by lowering himself to that which he made. Did he beg you also?

As I stated before, I used to be an athiest. God showed me who he was, and told me what to believe in. If you want to know more about that then feel free to u2u me, and if not, than that is fine.

Did he now? God decided that after you had reached a certain age and of one rebilliousness that he would manifest himself to you did he? Why that same god of yours thought it wise to leave to your own wiles for how many years before, because he did not give a damn about you? In other words, he created you but robbed himself of your presence until he decided he needed to know you.

Secondly, when did I ever talk about being oppressed? I am lost there.

My sincere apologies, you were not the one. you were in fact the one who told here to just talk to Jesus, where the other person which I shall not mention declared he still prays for relief from his oppression. However, the relation is what I was getting at; both Christians where one says to do one thing while the other is embattled. Your like god as portrayed by both of you comes across as an incompetent, while your religious teachings of that same god portray confusion. Your god does a wonderful job confusuing you all, so much so that he pits you against each other.

I don't remember the context that statement was in, however I would just like to get back to this post as it was meant to be discussed. We all understand that you believe that Revelation is incorrect, as well as other parts, if not all, of the bible.

Are you demanding that your perspective is not to be challenged, and if so by what rights are you afforded this via the TOS of this site? Please be sure to respond, for I would certainly like to know that your perception of a right to exclusivity is backed by the by-laws of ATS, so that I may request of the powers that be that they specifically advise all new members respond only to threads they endorse.

You are missing the point. Oh well is the only thing I can say to this I guess. Time to try and get this thread back on topic or let it die.

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
You are missing the point.

If employing that third-rate practice is what you need to console yourself ryan, then by all means, indulge to your heart's content.

Originally posted by DigitalGrl
Ok first of all..i never said you were an idiot.

Ah, so then as with all other members, I am somewhere in between, how apropos.

Second of all i dont mean that people who have differing opinons cant post.i simply stated that the idea of this thread was to talk about the timeline of the endtimes BASED on the book of revelation. Not do you think it is credible.

What you think is really of no consequence to the stated by-laws of this thread when they are contradictory to same. Show your bravery, DigitalGirl and just say it, you wish this thread to be an exclusive for those believing only in the end-times. If you cannot and will not, then live with my posts.

And trust me..im not scared of a debate

then please feel free to commence one relative to the topic and my refutations, rather than waste time on your trying to selectively silence me by the utilization of these silly asides you invoke.

and as far as the fundi doomsdayers...i simply said that i believe in the bible which includes the book of revelation. Whether or not i agree with how the people in this thread are interpreting it is another thing. i personally dont think we can make an EXACT timeline because if we could then when it was happening we would know the day and the hour..and it says we cant know.

Excellent! If you agree, and you acknowledge that you cannot provide a timeline, then do not offer anything remotely resembling fantas or wishful thinking.

So really to me..focusing all your time in trying to decifer a timeline that not even (in my belief) the Son knows is a waste of time. But in speaking in hypothetical or "what do you think" i feel is fine and makes for interesting conversation.

VG! So why are you aso adverse to my offering an accounting of events that actually relate to the past which is far more plausible given the cirations of old than you have to offer up about your fantasies of today. Your position of Revelation as it relates to the future is no different to hundreds of others in 19 centuries past. In other words, you are as wrong, as blind, as ever-changing, and as into fantasy as they were. Whereas my explanationis stat and pertaining to 1900 years ago. It will never change because that is what it was, whereas you and those who will follow after you will forever be trying to fit round pegs into square holes all because you would rather believe that God is going to punish mankind with the most disgusting tortures that demented humans can think up.

As far as me being a fundi..thats far from the truth.

I do not care if you are a stone giving homage to a mountain. When you proffer nonsense, and I see same, I respond.

Personally...i dont claim to know when the END of everything is gonna happen..like i said IMHOP...waste of time to try..interesting to discuss though,

Then discuss it with anopen mind, since a fialure to do just that means that you do cliam to know and have no interest in the other side. In short, do not try and silence anyone, that shows that you are not capable of viable refutation nor up to the task.

Anyway..we arent really progressing in any topic here...this thread is pretty much dead i think.

Yes, good job! Dereail it long enough and you get what you wish.

I'll say it. I want this thread to be exclusively used by those who believe in Revelation or those who wish to contribute to a meaningful discussion of what the end of times timeline would be.

Thank you.

PS-why are you so uptight about this? Why can't you quit pestering us? I am now begining to wish I could revoke a WATS award...

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i dont want to silence anyone. i just want people to stay with the topic. I could care less what your beliefs are. And you have no right to attack me for mine. you dont know me. you accuse people of faith of forcing their beliefs on others when you are doing the same by the name calling and what not. I really dont care what you believe. Thats not even what i was getting at. all im saying is that their are catagories and titles on this site for a reason. and this thread has gotten way off topic because you just want to come in an bash everyone. People in here are trying to have a discussion about a book and what they think it says about the end times. THats it! not that big of a deal. Only for some reason you feel the need to attack people. It's not that i dont respect your beliefs its your self rightous attitude i dont respect. And dont go saying that i dont like people or respect people who arent christian because my father isnt one and you know what..i think he is a brilliant man, and a good hearted person. and i look up to him alot. So you can even use that as a cop out. You are acting no different from that of which you hate. seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I dont care if people talk in here who dont believe in revelation. Im just saying the topic was based on "if it is true what do you think it is saying" and you are not contributing to that discussion...thats all i said and then you got all crazy lol. man take a chill pill.

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