A woman met a group of migrants at a school bus stop. Then the story hit the internet

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Thanks, I appreciate that you posted this.

I have to wonder how much of all that is opinion, though.

Trump's own words:

“I do not think we should do a Border Deal, at all, unless we get EVERYTHING needed to shut down the INVASION of Millions & Millions of people, many from parts unknown, into our once great, the soon to be great again, Country!”

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I've read a few other articles and it seems to me that Trump wants to actually get # done, all or nothing. And if he isn't going to get it all, it can be forced as a campaign issue. That's my opinion on it. Not one of ignoring the border so he can play it up later.

“I think the former president had sort of mixed views on it. We all felt that the border was a complete disaster, myself included,” McConnell said. “First there was an effort to make law, which requires you to deal with Democrats, and then a number of our members thought it wasn’t good enough. And then our nominee for president didn’t seem to want us to do anything at all. That took months to work our way through it. So we ended up doing the supplemental that was originally proposed, which dealt with not all problems — it didn’t solve the border problem but certainly addressed the growing threats at the moment.”

Trump pressured Republicans to kill the bill anyway, saying on social media that “we need a Strong, Powerful, and essentially ‘PERFECT’ Border and, unless we get that, we are better off not making a Deal.”

Biden and Democrats initially rejected GOP demands to include border security in a foreign aid package. But eventually they backed down and struck a deal with McConnell’s designee, Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., who called it “by far the most conservative border security bill in four decades.”

Biden is trying to neutralize his vulnerability by arguing that Trump doesn’t care about securing the border and is seeking to weaponize the issue only for political gain. The new White House statement is an indication that Biden’s team plans to continue to lean into that argument.

www.nbcnews.com...

Basically, framing it as Trump doesn't actually care about the border and only wants to use it as a divisive campaign strategy, is disingenuous. The reasons for rejecting that proposed bill seem clear enough to me. They couldn't get everything they wanted in relation to immigration and that's that.

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

The text under my accountname and in my signature are actually part of some tips from the article in my signature about how to avoid becoming a victim to propaganda (which is the 3rd and final page in that article), I couldn't fit the whole context so I added the word "wisely" to the sentence under my accountname. Wanna see a bit more of the context? (since it's quite appropiate in light of this thread, how this story was presented by the social media characters you mentioned in the OP is pure propaganda, of the political kind on this occasion; the same tricks described in more detail on the 2nd page are often also used in the sciences, religion, philosophy, the educational system and entertainment industry, etc., especially in public debates about the subjects in these fields, this is also where the effects of these tricks on the victims are often demonstrated by the way they argue and bear themselves* in such a debate; *: often body language saying more about how they've been affected than just their words alone.)

I'll add some of my own remarks in between brackets. Right away, the opening scripture that is quoted is quite appropiate for the way this story was presented by the social media influencers mentioned in the OP as presenting a twisted propagandistic and politically motivated and ideological version of events. Another rendering of the same verse in its entirety is given from another translation under the tip "Be selective".

Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda!

“A fool will believe anything.”—PROVERBS 14:15, TODAY’S ENGLISH VERSION.

THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. [technically, propagandists also have a habit of telling people how to think, or conditioning them to think according to a pattern that facilitates their agenda of manipulation.] Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. [although they often pretend otherwise, as if they are promoting an open discussion, but this often involves straw man versions of opposing arguments which they will then address instead, or they will pick the weakest of opposing arguments or viewpoints to debate, such as in the debate of evolutionary mythology vs young earth creationism, the weakest kid in class to beat (up) and make your side appear more convincing and scientific by pointing out the flaws in young earth creationism.] Often their real motives are not apparent. They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target.

The propagandist makes sure that his message appears to be the right and moral one and that it gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it. You are one of the smart ones, you are not alone, you are comfortable and secure—so they say. [what I mentioned before about young earth creationism is a great way to facilitate convincing the listener of that.]

How can you protect yourself from the types of people that the Bible calls “profitless talkers” and “deceivers of the mind”? (Titus 1:10) Once you are familiar with some of their tricks, you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way. Here are some ways to do this. [those tricks being discussed in more detail on the previous page, this page is more about how not to fall for them.]

Be selective: A completely open mind could be likened to a pipe that lets just anything flow through it—even sewage. No one wants a mind contaminated with poison. Solomon, a king and educator in ancient times, warned: “Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps.” (Proverbs 14:15) So we need to be selective. We need to scrutinize whatever is presented to us, deciding what to accept and what to reject.

However, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking. How can we find the right balance? By adopting a standard with which to measure new information. Here a Christian has a source of great wisdom. He has the Bible as a sure guide for his thinking. On the one hand, his mind is open, that is, receptive to new information. He properly weighs such new information against the Bible standard and fits what is true into his pattern of thinking. On the other hand, his mind sees the danger of information that is entirely inconsistent with his Bible-based values.

Use discernment: ...

Put information to the test: ... Some people today are like sponges; they soak up whatever they come across. It is all too easy to absorb whatever is around us.

But it is far better for each individual personally to choose what he will feed his mind. It is said that we are what we eat, and this can apply to food for both the body and the mind. No matter what you are reading or watching or listening to, test to see whether it has propagandistic overtones or is truthful. [this of course also relates to being selective by means of using discernment. And this is what I meant with choosing "wisely" what you will feed your mind, what you fill your mind with, what you pay attention to, what you choose to read up about and spend your time on, where you are getting your information from, etc. Reading up on aliens & UFO's, where most people on ATS spend their time as demonstrated by the number of posts in that subforum, this is the subject that captivates their attention the most per the pattern described at 2 Tim 4:3,4, next to the political forums and the subjects chosen for you by politicians and political/ideological propagandists such as immigration and the economy, is not choosing "wisely". But it'll definitely keep you busy and distracted from "the more important things" mentioned at Phil. 1:10. I'll quote it below the article.]

Moreover, if we want to be fair-minded, we must be willing to subject our own opinions to continual testing as we take in new information. We must realize that they are, after all, opinions. Their trustworthiness depends on the validity of our facts, on the quality of our reasoning, and on the standards or values that we choose to apply.

Ask questions: ...

Do not just follow the crowd: ... Popular opinion is not a reliable barometer of truth. Over the centuries all kinds of ideas have been popularly accepted, only to be proved wrong later. Yet, the inclination to go along with the crowd persists. ...

...

I hope that wasn't too much (mind you, it looks more because I added some remarks).

Some final advice (and coming back to my last remark above):

“Make sure of the more important things.”—PHIL. 1:10.

“Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine.” (1 Thessalonians 5:20,21)

“But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar.” (Romans 3:4)

Remember, the behaviour described at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 is a prophecy. It is demonstrated to have come true on ATS and in society in general on a daily basis (and its getting worse and worse, or has gotten worse since that prophecy was first penned under the inspiration of the God who wanted us to know the truth about how this all works).

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

$60 billion in military aid for Ukraine
$14.1 billion in aid for Israel

I'm not sure about the others, but those were items that Republicans demanded. As a matter of fact, the Republicans demanded the bill, wrote the bill, supported the bill, until Trump gave them the thumbs down, because he didn't want to the border crisis solved, because we wanted to run his campaign on the problems there.

More lies from you. Republicans didn’t write the bill. R-Lankford was just a negotiator working with Schumer on the bill. It also never had much if any Republican support. One of the reasons the Republicans didn’t support the bill was because of the pork in it for Ukraine and Israel, they were not the ones demanding that money being put into the border bill and Trump and most Republicans didn’t want the bill because it didn’t secure the border, they’ve even said as much. Pretty much everything you just said is nothing more than left wing lies and BS.

5 Democrats voted against the bill including Schumer So yeah, the democrats are also responsible for the bill failing not just Republicans😂

Here is the full list of the five Democrats who joined Republicans in voting "no." Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts Senator Alex Padilla of California Senator Bob Menendez of New Jersey Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York Schumer changed his vote to "no" in a procedural move

I’m not sure what part of “this is a # bill” you’re not getting? Are you really that obsessed with licking the lefts boots even when they’re writing 💩bills? Sad

Here’s what ex-ICE Director said about the bill. Worst border bill he’s ever seen, he’s been involved with the CBP for 30 years.

a reply to: whereislogic

The pattern of behaviour (and the behaviour that causes it, or fuels it further, intentionally 'tickling people's ears' according to their desires, i.e. catering to the market trying to captivate their attention by intriguing them, pleasing the audience, South Park calls it "pandering" in their special "Joining the Panderverse", which incidentally is also the standard goal in the entertainment industry even though they haven't been doing it all that well lately) described at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 is particularly visible on ATS (or more obvious from my perspective, prominently demonstrated). But I suspect it's not any less present in society in general, especially when I treat ATS as a window into the thinking and opinions present in society in general (albeit that the Western view is more prominent on ATS; the patterns remain the same though across the board, across the political spectrum and spectrum of ideas/opinions and teachings or "false stories" as 2 Tim 4:4 puts it; the Greek word translated here being myʹthos, rendered as "myths" in the KJV).

These “tales [Greek, myʹthos] artfully spun” cannot rival the simple and comforting truths of the Bible.​—2 Peter 1:16, The New English Bible.

Therefore, with an open mind, do not hesitate to compare with God’s Word​—the source of truth—​what you have been taught. (John 17:17) Then, this promise will prove true in your case: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”​—John 8:32.

My main motive for speaking out about it, cause I know who's playing you, pushing your buttons (such as pride, fear and hatred, your emotions, including the reverse appeal to pride that plays on our fear of seeming stupid discussed on the 2nd page of the article about propaganda that I've been talking about, as it relates to the phrase I bolded when quoting from the 3rd page in my previous comment). And how much experience he has in deceiving mankind. "The god of this system of things" "who is misleading the entire inhabited earth" (2 Cor 4:4; Rev. 12:9). Over the millennia, he has perfected his art and gotten quite good at it.

For your convenience, the 2nd page:

The Manipulation of Information (Awake!—2000)

Coming back to the expression of tickling people's ears as it relates to the concept of pleasing the audience (concerning the twisted propagandistic version of the story in the OP, that audience being primarily those inclined to vote for rightwing politicians such as Donald Trump):

People do like their oo-mox as much as the Ferengi, metaphorically speaking. I also noticed that some politicians and businessmen such as Donald Trump or whoever is running for the Democrats or financing them, are well-versed in the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition and follow them diligently in their endeavors to enrich themselves.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Did you want the bill because it guaranteed the continuation of children being trafficked into the sex and labor trades? Is that why you’re so hell bent on it being passed? Are you okay with children being physically and mentally abused repeatedly on a daily basis? Because that’s what’s happening to these children when they’re forced into prostitution and the labor trades. You can thank Harris for that next time you see her and also ask her since she knows this is going on, why hasn’t she done everything in her power to stop it? I mean she was put in charge of it right? That border bill certainly wasn’t going to stop the abuse these children are experiencing every day of their life.

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

Great article, your writing style is proficiently entertaining.

However I advise spell check editing, before finalizing posts.
Also, when posting multiple sections of an article, add 1/3 2/3 etc noting that it will be continued below.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Did you want the bill because it guaranteed the continuation of children being trafficked into the sex and labor trades?

Nah, I must've missed that section. Can you cite it, please?

Because that’s what’s happening to these children when they’re forced into prostitution and the labor trades.

Wait, so you think that if America just closes up the southern border, stops asylum seekers and turns them back to Mexico, that that will keep the children safer?

You can thank Harris for that next time you see her and also ask her since she knows this is going on, why hasn’t she done everything in her power to stop it? I mean she was put in charge of it right?

Harris is the Vice President, and can't write executive orders or make policy. She wasn't put in charge of "immigration", she was "in charge" of diplomatically working with the Central American Governments, whose countries these people are coming from or passing through.

If Your Time is short
In March 2021, President Joe Biden tasked Vice President Kamala Harris with working alongside officials in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to address the issues driving people to leave those countries and come to the United States.

The Biden-Harris administration said it would focus on five key issues: economic insecurity, corruption, human rights, criminal gang violence and gender-based violence.

Border security and management is the Homeland Security secretary’s responsibility.

www.politifact.com...#:~:text =In%20March%202021,%20President%20Joe%20Biden%20tasked%20Vice%20President%20Kamala

That border bill certainly wasn’t going to stop the abuse these children are experiencing every day of their life.

Immigration policy, in the USA, is tied to Homeland Security. Maybe you should write your Congress person about stepping up funding for better surveillance at DHS...You know, for the children.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: KrustyKrab

Did you want the bill because it guaranteed the continuation of children being trafficked into the sex and labor trades?

Nah, I must've missed that section. Can you cite it, please?

Because that’s what’s happening to these children when they’re forced into prostitution and the labor trades.

Wait, so you think that if America just closes up the southern border, stops asylum seekers and turns them back to Mexico, that that will keep the children safer?

You can thank Harris for that next time you see her and also ask her since she knows this is going on, why hasn’t she done everything in her power to stop it? I mean she was put in charge of it right?

Harris is the Vice President, and can't write executive orders or make policy. She wasn't put in charge of "immigration", she was "in charge" of diplomatically working with the Central American Governments, whose countries these people are coming from or passing through.

If Your Time is short
In March 2021, President Joe Biden tasked Vice President Kamala Harris with working alongside officials in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to address the issues driving people to leave those countries and come to the United States.

The Biden-Harris administration said it would focus on five key issues: economic insecurity, corruption, human rights, criminal gang violence and gender-based violence.

Border security and management is the Homeland Security secretary’s responsibility.

www.politifact.com...#:~:text =In%20March%202021,%20President%20Joe%20Biden%20tasked%20Vice%20President%20Kamala

That border bill certainly wasn’t going to stop the abuse these children are experiencing every day of their life.

Immigration policy, in the USA, is tied to Homeland Security. Maybe you should write your Congress person about stepping up funding for better surveillance at DHS...You know, for the children.

Stop being obtuse

Nah, I must've missed that section. Can you cite it, please?

ummm hello….your bill that you’re so in love with guaranteed 140k illegals per month into the country. Which also means more children coming over and being trafficked into prostitution. What are you not getting about that?

Of course if they closed the border it would make the children safer. Why the hell do you think they’re coming here? It’s because it’s a open invitation. How’s a pimp going to pimp out a child if they’re not coming over? This isn’t rocket science.

As far as Biden and Harris go. Biden could stop this with a executive order just like Trump did but they don’t want it stopped. Have you ever heard Harris or Biden ever mumble a single word about the trafficking of children? Nope they haven’t and they know damn well it’s going on. Or is it that everyone knows but those two? Mayorkas knows it’s happening because I’ve watched the hearings where he was confronted about it. Of course he took no responsibility for it like the good lil democrat boot licker he is. He doesn’t care about those kids, hell he’s lost almost 100k of them out of almost 500k minors that have entered unaccompanied 🤦‍♂️

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You keep saying asylum seekers when most are not. Most of these illegals are not here because they’re being persecuted because of race, religion or political reasons. Most all the interviews I’ve heard is them saying they’re here for a better life monetarily that is not grounds for asylum. Another lie the democrats love repeating over n over “asylum seekers”.

Poverty, scarce economic opportunities, displacement caused by natural disasters or a desire to reunite with family are not grounds for asylum under U.S. law.

For decades, U.S. law has allowed the government to grant asylum to immigrants who suffered or have a well-founded fear of persecution in their home country because of their nationality, race, religion, political views or membership in a "particular social group."

www.cbsnews.com...

a reply to: KrustyKrab

ummm hello….your bill that you’re so in love with guaranteed 140k illegals per month into the country.

If a 5,000 encounters per day threshold was a bad number, the Republicans sure could've have asked for that number to be reduced, rather than throw the whole bill out.

Which also means more children coming over and being trafficked into prostitution.

Child sex traffickers are not looking to encounter border patrol or law enforcement, in which they can submit their asylum claim. They aren't the people in your 140K number. Children being trafficked will still be trafficked, jammed into shipping containers or semi-trucks, and drive on through border checks, because the bad guys have paid off our corrupt officials.

As far as Biden and Harris go. Biden could stop this with a executive order just like Trump did but they don’t want it stopped.

It is Congress' job to write laws, and the Executive's job to enforce them. Trump's inhumane executive order only prolonged and log jammed an existing problem and risked the safety and the lives of many children, many of whom were kidnapped by cartel gangs and forced into sex work anyway, while waiting in Mexico.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

You keep saying asylum seekers when most are not. Most of these illegals are not here because they’re being persecuted because of race, religion or political reasons

And those people are not turning themselves int border control, asserting asylum. They're being deported, when caught by the FEDS

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: KrustyKrab

You keep saying asylum seekers when most are not. Most of these illegals are not here because they’re being persecuted because of race, religion or political reasons

And those people are not turning themselves int border control, asserting asylum. They're being deported, when caught by the FEDS

No they’re not being deported, you said so yourself that they were being released into the country with no court dates for 5 years. Didn’t you say that? Yes, I believe you did. You do realize they’re being trained in what to say as far as asylum before they even get here, right? Don’t try and gaslight me sook, it’s getting old as are the lies.

Anyways I’m done with ya and your never ending moving of the goal post and circular arguments.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

No they’re not being deported, you said so yourself that they were being released into the country with no court dates for 5 years.

Those people are not part of the 140K annual "encounters" with immigrants crossing the border, looking for border patrol to claim asylum, that are addressed in the bill that you hated. The people we were talking about before are criminals, being released from state penal institutions after serving their time, instead of being transferred to ICE custody for deportation court.

Also, as I said before, there is a terrible log jam of asylum cases. The immigratin bill would have put more judges on the bench to handle the backup.

a reply to: ADVISOR

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Some probably end up on Epstein Islands and in P Diddy mansions.

You don’t understand. they being physically present in the country is the aggression.

Let me really break this down for you because your extremely obtuse and need even basic principles of existence broken down into bite size chunks so your able to fire your synapses in a way that will construct some kind of base reality and not chaos soup.


I own a house. I am in the house and I don’t want anyone who isn’t invited over. My door is locked. A person sees that my home is better than their home and wants to come into my home. They try door it’s locked. They break the window and come into my house illegally. I shoot them. They die.

I am a citizen of a country. I am in the country. I don’t want anyone who isn’t a citizen or immigrant.****
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I have to do another segue here and break it down and differentiate between invaders and legal immigrants because your so freaking base line that your little synapse will overload trying to fire this one out) the invader is not an immigrant. The invader is as much a danger and threat to the natural born American as he is the newly established immigrant. Because they take from a system they do not contribute to. Literal parasites in every sense of word to both hopeful immigrants and Americans.

The country has a boarder you can come in but only though the right door at the right time by the right person(just like my house) it’s the wrong person at the wrong time and there is no door. They scurry over boarder at a none designated crossing(this is the breaking of the window part of the break and enter) I need to explain again because you won’t get it if I don’t.

Truthfully I don’t think you will understand even if I break it down like this I don’t think you’re capable but I’ll go on anyway. They cross into the country only thing is no one shoots them for some reason. Even tho they just did every single step of a home invasion.

Hope that clears it up. I know it won’t because your more activist then philosopher and care more for the feeling of others then the facts of reality.






a reply to: BingoMcGoof

a reply to: Sookiechacha

At work right now and hate digging up links on my mobile device. But I posted it in another thread, not super long ago.

It was a breakdown on reasons immigrants move to America. Corruption, human rights, criminals gang violence, and gender based violence was at the bottom of the list and has been for a long long time. Those reasons made up only about 3% of reasons people leave their country of origin for the US.

Top reasons include financial and educational.

It's not a completely honest narrative that they come in droves fleeing horrible conditions that require us to open the barn doors. If that was the real case, I would ask why we never invade those countries to liberate those people. Instead focusing on places like Ukraine and the Middle East? If # is so bad down there why don't we secure the borders?

But the narrative needs to be that one side cares and wants more open borders, and the other side wants them closed because they're racist.

Wonderfully divisive eh?

But literally nobody that wants secure borders has cited racist reasons. Find me some.

(Not implying you yourself think the more secure borders crowd is racist)

Edit: Here's that link:

Why do immigrants come to the U.S.?

I'd be curious how Kamala and the White House came to other conclusions as to reasons people immigrate here and if they can back it up.

a reply to: Athetos

Who is being obtuse here A. You begin a long post doing nothing but deriding the intelligence of the person who you are writing to. And then what? Expect them to read the rest of that long post? Try explaining that to me and guess what, I won't bother to read it either.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Thanks, I appreciate that you posted this.

Sure. Cut and paste is ez.
I appreciate your response. Sorry it took so long to reply.

I have to wonder how much of all that is opinion, though.

Well, I wasn't privy to their individual conversations with the former president, but their reactions to it definitely spoke to their opinions of his "policies". But I did include this quote from the article at the bottom of my post.

The belief among some conservatives is that preventing an agreement will cause voters to blame President Joe Biden for a chaotic situation at the border, even though he has endorsed the negotiations.

Basically, framing it as Trump doesn't actually care about the border and only wants to use it as a divisive campaign strategy, is disingenuous.

That's an opinion. Personally, I think everything about Trump's pretense to care about immigration issues Is disingenuous. He's had no problem hiring illegals in the past, according to reports. LINK

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

It's not a completely honest narrative that they come in droves fleeing horrible conditions that require us to open the barn doors. If that was the real case, I would ask why we never invade those countries to liberate those people.

I'd like to remind you of the Iran Contra Affair. Central America is where North America's underground rivers of dark money flow. TPTB don't want to upset that ecosystem!

Wonderfully divisive, eh?

A feature, not the bug.

Top reasons include financial and educational.

Of course. Most people come for business, education or family reasons. Only a fraction of the people that come here are fleeing violence and natural disasters, and only a small fraction of those will qualify for legal asylum.

I think it's always good for everyone to have their facts on the same page.

LEGAL IMMIGRANTION CHARTS

www.factcheck.org...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
That's an opinion. Personally, I think everything about Trump's pretense to care about immigration issues Is disingenuous. He's had no problem hiring illegals in the past, according to reports. LINK

Certainly interesting. If it is/was the case, I'd be interested to know how much he knew about it. Not to say that if he didn't, it would excuse him of responsibility. I'm also not sure of all the nuances to proving somebody is a citizen or not, when it comes to employment.

I'd like to remind you of the Iran Contra Affair. Central America is where North America's underground rivers of dark money flow. TPTB don't want to upset that ecosystem!

Agreed!

Of course. Most people come for business, education or family reasons. Only a fraction of the people that come here are fleeing violence and natural disasters, and only a small fraction of those will qualify for legal asylum.

I think it's always good for everyone to have their facts on the same page.

LEGAL IMMIGRANTION CHARTS

www.factcheck.org...