Trump just announced that Zelenskyy has requested to meet with him tomorrow at Trump Tower

a reply to: VariedcodeSole

They’re going to trade blooper clips from when they were on TV as actors.

I just hope Zelenskyy leaves the music video at home.

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: putnam6
So we approve another huge aid package to Ukraine and according to Trump Zelenskyy wants to meet with him at Trump Tower.

All I have to say is be careful there Teflon Don, no doubt if this occurs the Left will squeal like little pigs.

Has anybody else heard this, and what does our UK and European contingent think

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BREAKING: Trump just announced that Zelenskyy has requested to meet with him tomorrow at Trump Tower, and he has accepted the meeting to talk about negotiating the END of the war between Ukraine and Russia

Even Zelenskyy knows Trump's return is imminent. Other world leaders are also scrambling to set up meetings with Trump.

The aid package wasn't "huge". It was 7.9 $Billion. That's about 0.03% of our GDP. Approximately the same amount we spend on potato chips per year.

I guess you never learned basic accounting, but being in a relationship with a head accountant for 10 years it's not about what you gross it's about what you keep.

www.thebalancemoney.com...

How Revenue Relates to the Deficit, Debt, and GDP
The government's annual income doesn't cover its spending, which was projected to create a $1.8 trillion budget deficit in 2025. Deficits add to the national debt.2

Many argue that Congress should only spend what it earns, but that depends on where the economy is in the business cycle. For example, some argue Congress should use deficit spending to expand economic growth in a recession and stimulus spending to create jobs. Once the recession is over, the government should then switch from expansionary to contractionary fiscal policy because it's the best time to raise taxes and reduce the deficit and national debt. It also keeps the economy from overheating and forming dangerous bubbles.

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The government's 2025 tax revenue projection is roughly 18.7% of gross domestic product (GDP), which is a measurement of a nation's economic output.1

And...

It's not about just the money Boomer it's about the return on the investment, what are the positives to the American taxpayer.

America with this new package has spent 185 billion on Ukraine alone in 3 years, as well as its normal expenditure on NATO
On what exactly?

Are you telling me that some of those funds couldn't have gone elsewhere that could have impacted the average American in a much more direct and useful way?

All the while, we are getting approximately the same ending, which it seems we are heading for.

originally posted by: vance2
And right here, I disagree with Trump. Ukraine has a right to keep all of its borders intact. If he feels that way, maybe he can live by example, giving me "just a little bit" of his properties in Florida 🙄a reply to: WeMustCare

Ukraine should of thought about that before allowing US/NATO puppet to take over the country. Ukraine has known for decades that Russia will not stand for US/NATO missile systems to continue to move closer to Russia border. All Ukraine had to do is make a pack with Russia to not join NATO or allow NATO weapon systems to be placed in Ukraine. Look at all the lives lost over US/NATO aggression towards Russia.

The US government would do the same thing Russia doing, if Mexico or Canada allowed Russia, China, Iran to place hostile missile system close to our border.

a reply to: putnam6

The world would benefit from leaders who prioritize peace and diplomacy over conflict.

But where are these leaders? 🤔

a reply to: putnam6

My vote for Trump or not may depend upon how Trump handles this little problem of his which seems to favor Putin.

a reply to: CosmicFocus

My vote for Trump or not may depend upon how Trump handles this little problem of his which seems to favor Putin.

He hears you. This is why he will tell Zelensky what he's already said to Boris Johnson, Duda and the Republicans who support Ukraine; that he will not abandon Ukraine.

At the same time, he tells his Republican colleagues, Orban and the voters who are against helping Ukraine that he won't give Ukraine a penny.

People hear what they want to hear and stay happy.

a reply to: putnam6

I think there was a request even before this one.

In terms of it being problematic, allies have routinely talked to both candidates ahead of elections.

Bibi usually makes a point to have a sit down with both ahead of an election.

I don’t think there’s any coloring outside the lines no matter which way this plays out.

a reply to: twistedpuppy

Trump also said about a month or two after the 2022 invasion that Biden wasn’t doing enough, implying the US should directly use our drones.

I think part of it is lick your finger, stick it up and see which way the wind is blowing… and part surprise.

No one really knows where Trump stands on Ukraine. He’s been on both sides of the topic.

a reply to: WeMustCare

Better to live free and die than to appease a communist dictator, IMO.

Not sure what Trump is playing at. But you give a little to Russia. And they take more later on.

originally posted by: PrivateAngel
a reply to: putnam6

The world would benefit from leaders who prioritize peace and diplomacy over conflict.

But where are these leaders? 🤔

The dead and injured tolls are staggering and Ive seen other estimates that are higher than below.

For perspective, Ukraine has lost almost double the American deaths in Vietnam, they have lost or maimed a generation. They could stop today and get all territories back and it would seem like a hollow victory. Without more troops and boots on the ground to capture and hold territory in some places it feels like they are fighting to capture the 2nd or 3rd time.


All as we approach another winter when the war will be reduced to a slog and virtually no hope for a complete Urkaine victory in the next 12-18 months. Hell, there is little indication Ukraine can turn it on enough to even build a semi-negotiation advantage.

There's no way Russia would give up Crimea and Ukraine has been pounded into the mud, even if we had a truce and end of hostilities there would be public deaths from unexploded ordnance for years afterward.

Perhaps Ukraine needs to give up the ghost of reacquiring Crimea and hope Putin's not interested in the bombed-out eastern oblasts


How many more thousands of lives, and billions of dollars?



worldcrunch.com...

One Million Victims In Ukraine? Why Such A Grim Toll Will Only Spur More Death
The Wall Street Journal puts the number of Russian and Ukrainian dead and wounded at one million after two-and-a-half years of war, with more than twice as many Russians dead as Ukrainians. Yet this tragic toll only reinforces both sides to continue to seek victory.

PARIS — The number of victims is one of the best-kept secrets on both sides of the front line in Ukraine. A study published by The Wall Street Journal puts the total death and injury toll from two-and-a-half years of war at one million.

The U.S. daily quotes a confidential estimate of 80,000 dead and 400,000 wounded on the Ukrainian side; and another, less precise estimate on the Russian side, of some 200,000 dead and 400,000 wounded. More than a million victims, dead or wounded, is more than any other conflict on earth today, and it will have lasting demographic and psychological consequences on both countries.

This is obviously the consequence of a conventional war between two regular armies the likes of which we haven't seen for a long time, where asymmetrical wars with non-state actors and less sophisticated weapons are by definition less deadly. This is also the effect of wars of attrition, in which many men are sacrificed — especially on the Russian side, as we can see, with more than twice as many dead as among Ukrainians. Cannon fodder, as in the wars of old.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: WeMustCare

Better to live free and die than to appease a communist dictator, IMO.

Not sure what Trump is playing at. But you give a little to Russia. And they take more later on.

So tell me who they will go after?

Certainly, nobody from NATO, or Ukraine has exposed them for the frauds they are. If they weren't so bloated, huge and well-insulated the only hope now is a Russian revolt and its not likely to happen

Hell Im convinced they have heightened the alarm in Europe and the UK that they could hold off Russia easily with just American military aid.


Russia has been exposed by Ukraine's valiant effort, Russia can barely hold the oblasts they have. But that doesn't mean they can't extract a terrible toll on Ukraine.

I think he finally realized that doing a propaganda visit for the democrats might cause problems if the republicans win.

Especially since they are already inclined to cut back/end the supply line.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I don’t see it as much as propaganda visits as it is lobbying.

Bibi just did tour as well in similar fashion.

I don’t really understand how the two seem to be politicized as they’re both related. Iran and Russia are allies. Russia has even been cozying up with Lebanon and the Houthis.

Russia is clearly trying to upset the current global climate.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

First ill say I didnt read a lot on it, this is just my wag.

While yes bibi did do something similar with trump, there is less cutting people off from aid talk in both parties when it comes to israel, compared to Ukraine.

Add in some less than charitable comments from zelensky and his diplomat towards trump and vance on top of the visit to PA during an election and some might see it as some bad decisions by ukraine and now they are trying to fix it.

a reply to: Irishhaf

That’s fair.

I don’t think kissing the ring will do any good though. Trump is going to Trump, and none of us know what that is.

Sharp comments aren’t unusual between global leaders. Israel goes a step further and has super pacs who often swing races.

It’s the game we live in now.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I think the major difference is israel knows how to play the game at a higher level and where and when they can make sharp comments without risking shutting down the cash flow.

Ukraine is still trying to figure out how to play the game.

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican
a reply to: VariedcodeSole

They’re going to trade blooper clips from when they were on TV as actors.

I just hope Zelenskyy leaves the music video at home.

Sizzle reals.

Zelensky must be crazy going to a high rise tower owned by of of Putin's acquaintances and admirers. Best watch getting too near the window ledge

originally posted by: PrivateAngel
a reply to: putnam6

The world would benefit from leaders who prioritize peace and diplomacy over conflict.

But where are these leaders? 🤔

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: WeMustCare

Better to live free and die than to appease a communist dictator, IMO.

Not sure what Trump is playing at. But you give a little to Russia. And they take more later on.

Not sure what Trump is playing at. But you give a little to globalists. And they take more later on.

There, I fixed it for you