Teenage Girl Raped and Woman Sexually Assaulted on Brighton Beach

a reply to: Terpene

Terpene,

To put it differently, suppose there were only 25 immigrants from Madeuplandia, total in the whole country, and every single one of them raped someone.

The "statistics" you use would show that 99.99% of rapes were committed by local citizens. So the Madeuplandians are not disproportionately a problem that should be looked at it would seem?

Do you understand now how the 6/7 is not valuable information in pinning down whether there is a greater problem with a certain group?

originally posted by: chiefsmom

Oh dear lord.
Rape is NOT just a domestic issue, if it is being done by immigrants!!!
Yes, it is being done by citizens as well. (and they should also be subject to cruel and unusual punishement)

But if a female WAS rapped by an illegal immigrant, IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPNED if they would not have been allowed into her country!

How hard is that to understand?

That has been the typical liberal response in all this.

"It's not important that illegal aliens and mass influx of immigrants greatly increase crime rates because there is already crime."

As to mass influx of immigrants with vastly different values and culture into Europe we are starting to see countries pay them to go back. Giving them 15k and a plane ticket is a lot cheaper than 600k to a million they will cost the Governments their whole lives in Europe.

I was listening to the Lotus Eaters show (brits) and they were saying that the typical Brit pays 200k into the system to get their messily pension. The immigrants have already cost the Government more than that with each one. If the Immigrant lives to 80, they will cost the Government 1 million over all in the end.

So maybe it is time to say this experiment failed and send them back home with 15k each and call it a day.

originally posted by: Halfswede

Do you understand now how the 6/7 is not valuable information in pinning down whether there is a greater problem with a certain group?

We can do the same with age, right? Lump 80+ year-olds into 20+ year-olds and say there is no problem.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Freeborn

Obviously if they are ever identified, arrested and charged emphasis will be placed on their awful upbringings, the difficulties they have had adjusting to our way of life and the responsibility we have to help them and NOT on the victims and the effects the attacks will have on them and their lives and the primary need to punish these #ing scumbags.

I have no idea how Keir Stalin and his predecessors can live with themselves.

In all these cases around the world the reality is they are not typically criminals. What they do in our countries is the same they do in theirs as a norm, so they do not see anything wrong with it, and that is what is so dangerous about it.

In many Muslim countries if a woman gets raped it is most her fault in the view of the legal system and society.

This is a well-known thing that is tracked by every human rights group in the world. There is a culture among many muslim countries as well as India that turns a massive blind eye to rape. The idea that they suddenly cross a magical line at the border and lose this underlying culture is naive.

The fact that judges have used this very language "it's not their fault. It's part of their culture" to let people off, shows that it really does exist.

In no way, should a person conclude that muslims and indians are all rapists, but the math shows there is a problem that is disproportionate to most other countries. That problem can't be simply ignored when immigration is concerned.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
a reply to: Terpene

Oh dear lord.
Rape is NOT just a domestic issue, if it is being done by immigrants!!!
Yes, it is being done by citizens as well. (and they should also be subject to cruel and unusual punishement)

But if a female WAS rapped by an illegal immigrant, IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPNED if they would not have been allowed into her country!

How hard is that to understand?

Don't you see thier logic if 6 of 7 rapists are already in the country, what does it hurt letting in the other 1/7th.

It's akin to having a rat infestation and letting in more rats.

When if you just shut the door you would easily have 1/7th fewer rapes.

Allowing resources to work more on the domestic concerns.

For more perspective

The current net migration rate for U.K. in 2024 is 2.246 per 1000 population. Ergo 998 per 1000 are responsible for 6/7ths of the rapes while 2 per 1000 are responsible for 1/7th.

Be glad you only have 2 per 1000, instead of Australia's 5 per 1000 or Canada's 6 per 1000.

a reply to: chiefsmom

So you want to stop immigration all together because women get raped?

So you are OK with women being raped so long it's not immigrants, how hard is it to understand that there is no actual causation between the two?

a reply to: Halfswede

Of course, now would be a good time you show the stats that back your claims.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: chiefsmom

So you want to stop immigration all together because women get raped?

So you are OK with women being raped so long it's not immigrants, how hard is it to understand that there is no actual causation between the two?

God, you must be short circuiting.
Its you who is ignoring the causation here. with your stupid "6 out of 7 rapes are done by people who know the victim" rubbish...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Halfswede

Of course, now would be a good time you show the stats that back your claims.

Would love to, but the gov't clearly doesn't want to know that info. The just don't seem to record things like immigration status and only black, white, asian, Chinese and other.

www.ons.gov.uk...

I will give the benefit of the doubt to women and every single human rights watch group out there that these countries have a massive rape culture where it is common and ignored. Your stance seems to be not to look at it and they magically change when they come to the UK.

So you are OK with women being raped so long it's not immigrants

a reply to: Terpene


So reading comprehension isn't your strong suit?

I specifically said:

and they should also be subject to cruel and unusual punishment

in regards to "citizens" that are rapists.
I want to stop ILLEGAL immigration, yes.
Must be nice to live in that protected, ivory tower country you are in, where nothing bad happens apparently.

originally posted by: Halfswede

In no way, should a person conclude that muslims and indians are all rapists, but the math shows there is a problem that is disproportionate to most other countries. That problem can't be simply ignored when immigration is concerned.

I think the demographics that greatly changed with immigrants is where we see the largest increases and why such an increase has greatly affected risk too. Normally 90%+ rapes/sexual violence is accomplished by someone who knows the person in some way, and only 7% is done by strangers.

The stranger category is where we see a huge increase in victims, and this puts fear and risk into a much wider group of women who do not fall into the categories of a bad boyfriend, husband, family member, somewhat friend that over 90% of these cases happen with. Now you can be pulled off the street, car jacked, break-ins, etc that opens up whole new categories than something like a date gone wrong.

a reply to: Terpene

In Chicago, murderers and rapes by community insiders are okay. If an outsider commits the crime, all hell breaks loose.

Here is a decent source of data that one can use:
worldpopulationreview.com...

While some countries just don't report (India, Pakistan, etc.), you can look at European countries since 2017 and look at the "per 100k" (basically like per capita). There are three countries on there with well-known immigration things (France, Sweden, UK).

Look at the increase over those years. Forget about just the overall values, but the year-by-year increase.

In the US, and Germany (not so much an importer), the rate stays relatively stable since 2017.

The only conclusions one can make is that either there is just more raping going on each year, in just those countries, and other countries are not seeing an increase, or there might just be some common factor.

a reply to: chiefsmom

It is, indeed... You just need to kick out royalty and give the people an actual voice...

But yeah go with immigration as your main culprit. Too bad it wont make your problems go away, the only thing that would go away is the xenophobe rhetoric... Then you're back to blaming video-games, everything but an actual change....

Good luck

a reply to: SprocketUK

More feelz in the face of facts... Figures

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: SprocketUK

More feelz in the face of facts... Figures

I cant work out whether you are actually stupid or wilfully ignorant.

a reply to: SprocketUK

yes

a reply to: Halfswede

From your source.

Switzerland has 10% more immigration than Sweden and is around 8 rapes per 100k, while Sweden is around 88 per 100k...

And for the actual numbers Sweden has 2mil, Switzerland has 2.5mil immigrants, with 9000 rapes in Sweden and 700 in Switzerland

So again the statistics even compared among European countries proof more immigrants don't mean more rape.

Soooo?

a reply to: SprocketUK

Here we go again, lost the ball went for the player...

Yeah figuring out things isn't everyone's forte, for most following the talking points is plenty enough and a challenge already...

Don't overdo it...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Halfswede

From your source.

Switzerland has 10% more immigration than Sweden and is around 8 rapes per 100k, while Sweden is around 88 per 100k...

And for the actual numbers Sweden has 2mil, Switzerland has 2.5mil immigrants, with 9000 rapes in Sweden and 700 in Switzerland

So again the statistics even compared among European countries proof more immigrants don't mean more rape.

Soooo?

here you go, Barney style so hopefully you'll find it too difficult to lie your way through this.

Switzerland
The largest immigrant groups in Switzerland are those from Germany, Italy, France, the former Yugoslavia, Albania, Portugal and Turkey, including Turks and Kurds. Between them, these six groups account for about 1.5 million people, 60% of the Swiss population with immigrant background, or close to 20% of total Swiss population.
source

Sweden
In 2014, 81,300 individuals applied for asylum in Sweden, which was an increase of 50 percent compared to 2013 and the most since 1992. Of these, 47 percent came from Syria, followed by 21 percent from the Horn of Africa, mostly Somalia. Overall, 77 percent (63,000) of requests were approved, with approval rates differing greatly between different applicant groups. In early October 2015, less than two weeks into the month, a record figure of 86,223 asylum applications was reached, and in the remaining weeks of the year that figure rose to 162,877. In 2016, 28,939 people applied for asylum,[11] after temporary border ID controls had been initiated and been in effect during 2016.[12] As of 2014, according to Statistics Sweden, there were around 17,000 total asylum immigrants from Syria, 10,000 from Iraq, 4,500 from Eritrea, 1,900 from Afghanistan, and 1,100 from Somalia.[13] In the year 2017, most asylum seekers come from Syria (267), Eritrea (263), Iraq (117), and Georgia (106).[14]


Can you spot the difference?