Father of teen suspect in Georgia school shooting charged with 2nd-degree murder

Father of teen suspect in Georgia school shooting charged with second-degree murder.

So this was printed 15 minutes ago here in Ireland.

Colin Gray, 54, the father of Colt Gray, was charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said in a social media post. The charges come after Gray “knowingly” allowed his son to possess a weapon, Georgia Bureau of Investigation director Chris Hosey told a press conference.

In Georgia, second-degree murder means a person has caused the death of another person while committing second-degree cruelty to children, regardless of intent. It is punishable by 10 to 30 years in prison, while malice murder and felony murder carry a minimum sentence of life.

Apparently last year the teen was interviewed over threats he claimed to make on social media about shooting up a school.

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a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

Where's The Father of the Year award?

This is the impossible mental health issue again, and honestly, WHY YOU SHOULDNT BUY A CHILD'S AFFECTION DURING A DIVORCE BY GIVEN HIM A F*CKING AR. No matter how cool you are or how much he thanks you for it.

I hope the cops asked, "So after your son makes threats to shoot up the school you get him an assault rifle for Christmas? Is this the Broken Home/Stupid Parent Christmas Story? Why not start him off with a Daisy?"

Or make sure he's not the type to dissect animals in the woods first. I'm just guessing on that one.

Based on what the girl sitting next to him said he was totally the detached ticking time bomb poster child. More Serial killer than bullied. But so are many angry teenage boys.

The real answer is harder than getting rid of assault rifles. It's the easier route to remove the option. The psychological answer red flags all teen angst and despondent behavior. And every moody 14 year old boy becomes a potential shooter.

That poor kid...IMAGINE WHAT THAT KIND OF FAHER WOULD DO TO HIS OWN FAMILY?

I hope Colt gets thes the HELP and rehabilitation he needs as oppossed to future abuse.

As someone who has sever PTSD issues herself, I can't imagine why when push came t shove Colt was so wouldn't that he felt the need to make his repressed internalized pain a weapon and shame on his "father" for arming his son in the name of VENGENCE!

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

So onthe one hand, sit down and shut up if you don't like the BS we feed your kids because you don't have parental rights. On the other hand, if we damage your kid's brain with the BS, you are responsible. Yeah, daddy bought a gun but hammers, knives and axes kill too.

Good.

Time to start extraditing anyone’s parents that used their guns to commit murders.

Looking at all the illegal immigrants.

Oh. Wait. FBI, DHS etc. are busy not running down things that were already flagged.

Meanwhile don’t sleep on trains in Chicago. #DNC

Got it.

ETA RIP to the deceased. Vance is wrong for saying this is “a fact of life”. How about we pay for armed guards at every school, so further bloodshed can be mitigated.

And no. Taking guns ain’t the answer or happening.

originally posted by: billxam1
a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

So onthe one hand, sit down and shut up if you don't like the BS we feed your kids because you don't have parental rights. On the other hand, if we damage your kid's brain with the BS, you are responsible. Yeah, daddy bought a gun but hammers, knives and axes kill too.

This.

This is an exceptionally great point.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2


I think, when you are talking about a 14 year old, then yes, the adult who bought it should ultimately be the person responsible for making sure its used in a safe and sane manner.

Hell in the US you cant even but a beer until you are 21, owning a rifle ought to come with the same or greater age requirement.

I dont know what age you gotta be to get a tattoo over there but until a kid is that age (assuming its 18) then the liability ought to stay with the adult who got the gun.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

This is ridiculous.

You can't charge the kid as an adult and then charge his father too.

Should his dad face some kind of charges? Yes.
But this looks like wild flailing by the State.

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Vance didn't say it was a fact of life.

He said he hates that it is becoming a fact of life.


Stop lying.

Even the AP retracted their story running that BS.

It will sends a heads up to parents if they think their kids are losing it. In the parents defense, how much has the school and medical community had in this brain fart?

Let's be consistent with this though. If we are going to say you are equally responsible for your child until they are an adult or nearly so, then let's be consistent. If your kid shoplifts, you get charged too. If your kid gets caught with drugs, or sleeps with a minor, you get charged too.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Vance didn't say it was a fact of life.

He said he hates that it is becoming a fact of life.


Stop lying.

Even the AP retracted their story running that BS.

AFTER they planted the seed of deception.

From the link:

When the suspect slipped out of maths class on Wednesday, Lyela Sayarath figured her quiet classmate who recently transferred was skipping school again. But he returned later and wanted to return to the room. Some students went to open the locked door but instead backed away.

It doesn't say if he left the building and then returned. In most states doors are locked and you have to ring in and show iD before an escort come and allows you in.

If he didn't leave the building then he briught the gun in with him. Some schools are now using metal detectors to screen kids each day, especially in high crime areas.

Society is very sick right now, and I think that's the issue that should be focused on-not the symptoms.

What's seems to be the number one cause of mental health issues, homelessness and crime? No, it's not poverty, although it soon may be.
The head of the dragon is the drug trade and we all know what needs to happen to stop it....but instead billions of dollars are thrown at the symptoms and people think more laws, more legislation will magically solve the problem.

What would really benefit society is programs to teach parents how to parent since so many seem to be raising little thugs and gang bangers because they have no fugging clue what effective parenting skills are. Of course they'd have to be court ordered after the child becomes a problem because most parents don't want to know what they're doing wrong or put forth the amount of effort it takes to raise a productive member of society.

The government would do well to stop rewarding people for popping out kids, too-where the more dependents you have the more government assistance you get. How about greater rewards for those with fewer children instead? Ot greater government perks for kids who are getting B averages and staying out of trouble?

Rewarding bad behavior has become a big tool in the political playbook. Obviously, it works.

a reply to: Halfswede

I don’t think those are fair analogies.

A kid with their own agency can do any of those things you listed. Not like a parent can stop them.

This would be like if it was alleged a kid said I want to run over people with a car, and then you bought them a car and let them have the keys before they’re licensed.

The second amendment is a right, but it does come with responsibilities as an adult.

This also isn’t wildly inconsistent, as enabling the use of a weapon on a crime can get you accessory charges in other cases, like being the driver for someone committing a crime like robbing a bank.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Vance didn't say it was a fact of life.

He said he hates that it is becoming a fact of life.


Stop lying.

Even the AP retracted their story running that BS.

So.

Who is lying.

Vance when he says he hates it’s BECOME a fact of life.

Or moi for reiterating him.

Now lemme Walz for a Purple Heart.

ETA Columbine was a long time ago. What’s changed?

When will they be releasing a list of all medications? 😉

We understand the Mother is a real winner too. 😃

a reply to: Halfswede

Um how about no?
If the kid is sleeping with a minor, wouldn't they be an adult? And as such how is it my fault?

How is it my fault if my child uses drugs? Am I to drug test my child every day?

Jesus, I had a bad son. (he admits today he was awful, and it wasn't my fault)

I guess I should have spent time in jail for all his mistakes.
Even though the schools and the law said my kid had more rights than I did as his parent. I know this, because I had the local police at my home so much one summer, we were on a first name bases. Thankfully, they didn't think this way. I believe it was the last time, or second to last time, when they finally told the hubby to just kick is butt, and then call them so they could pick him up. Didn't happen, but glad they were on our side.

As for the OP, if everything is true, about this boy being investigated BEFORE the gun was purchased, and the father knowing about it, while hesitantly, I would have to agree.
As above, while I do not believe my son would EVER have done something like this, I sure as hell would have never bought him a gun. That is just common sense!

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Halfswede

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This also isn’t wildly inconsistent, as enabling the use of a weapon on a crime can get you accessory charges in other cases, like being the driver for someone committing a crime like robbing a bank.

Yes. Bolded by me. He is charged with the actual crime. There are statutes for enabling, contributing, etc. etc., but he is being charged with the actual crime of murder. He seems like a real piece of trash, but Is this really where we want to go? Had the kid complained about bullies and the dad said, "maybe you should teach them a permanent lesson." ...sure charge the dad too, but nothing like that appeared to happen.

This has zero to do with 2A, but everything to do with parental culpability. If the circumstances had been identical and the FBI investigated claims of him wanting to do a stabbing attack, would you feel exactly the same way if the father had knives in the block? If the answer is yes, then OK, but if not, then you have a logic flaw.

If you know your kid is hanging out with a druggie crowd and you give them spending cash or even tacitly allow them to hang out with those people, aren't you enabling just as much. Do you really want to be held responsible for the actual crimes they might commit? Where do you draw the line?

a reply to: Degradation33

Spot on.

This is the impossible mental health issue again, and honestly, WHY YOU SHOULDNT BUY A CHILD'S AFFECTION DURING A DIVORCE BY GIVEN HIM A F*CKING AR. No matter how cool you are or how much he thanks you for it.

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