KamalaCare - Candidate Harris to Replace Private Insurance With Government Healthcare.

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Any source for that claim?

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Try reading the thread.

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Anyone in those polls who thought the government should run healthcare has never had healthcare run by the government. I posted my experience of it. Five years of it. Everything from the trying to get approved for the care by idiots who don't understand healthcare, to the wait to get the healthcare if you actually are approved, to the healthcare itself and even the facilities used ... all sucked.

No one who has ever had to deal with government run healthcare in the USA ... Military .. has ever said anything good about it. Unless they were a general and got instantly approved and got bumped to the head of the line and got the best doctors.

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Try reading the thread.

You are showing your true colors and they ain't red, white and blue.

You hate America but you want every F'ing thing handed to you paid for by the taxpayers.

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Or the French, or the Italian, or the Spanish, or the Japanese.

Most modern European or Asian health care systems are better than the US system in that they provide better health outcomes at lower costs to the public and cover everyone. I can speak from experience as a frequent traveller, and I've had occasion to use several of them. Canada and the UK are not necessarily the examples I would choose.

The main problem with the US system is that it is run by for-profit insurance companies. That sets up an inherent conflict of interest. If an insurance company is trying to maximize profits for its shareholders, it is not trying to minimize costs for its customers or maximize their health outcomes. Many of the modern democracies have figured this out and decided that they'd rather provide good health insurance to everyone at cost plus a small administrative overhead and not let the profit-taking insurance companies drive the whole system. Most modern democracies also allow wealthy individuals to purchase private supplemental health insurance if they want better coverage.

After traveling to countries that provide better health care than in the US at lower costs, it continues to blow my mind that Americans think it's impossible to do better than our current system. That idea is just based on ignorance and arrogance.

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That’s exactly what the World Health Organization would tell us.
Experience says doing the opposite of what they say is the wise move.

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it continues to blow my mind that Americans think it's impossible to do better than our current system. That idea is just based on ignorance and arrogance.

There’s such a thing called a “track record”, the VA is a perfect example of government healthcare in the US. Do you really think the government wouldn’t f this up too? I have a bridge with your name on it if you don’t think they would.

I wonder how this would affect Clover Health stocks?

originally posted by: Boomer1947
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Or the French, or the Italian, or the Spanish, or the Japanese.

Most modern European or Asian health care systems are better than the US system in that they provide better health outcomes at lower costs to the public and cover everyone. I can speak from experience as a frequent traveller, and I've had occasion to use several of them. Canada and the UK are not necessarily the examples I would choose.

The main problem with the US system is that it is run by for-profit insurance companies. That sets up an inherent conflict of interest. If an insurance company is trying to maximize profits for its shareholders, it is not trying to minimize costs for its customers or maximize their health outcomes. Many of the modern democracies have figured this out and decided that they'd rather provide good health insurance to everyone at cost plus a small administrative overhead and not let the profit-taking insurance companies drive the whole system. Most modern democracies also allow wealthy individuals to purchase private supplemental health insurance if they want better coverage.

After traveling to countries that provide better health care than in the US at lower costs, it continues to blow my mind that Americans think it's impossible to do better than our current system. That idea is just based on ignorance and arrogance.

You are talking out of your butt, as usual.

Health insurance agencies are heavily regulated and are not allowed to post a profit over 2%, for example.

The majority of costs on the health care system now are governmental regulation.

Over half of the total costs.

To make health care in America more affordable, the easiest way is to get the government out of it.

Putting our government in charge of and offering it would make the overall costs skyrocket.

Which costs who more?

The American taxpayer.

Free for you personally doesn't mean free.

We would end up spending more on medical costs per capita if it were put in the hands of the government.

Through taxation.

That people don't understand that simple concept is why we are in the position that we are now.

/facepalm

originally posted by: Tolkien
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And how is that WHORE proposing to do that ?

She will buy out ALL private insurers ?
Or simply confiscate their businesses/clientele with no compensation.

And every shareholder and/or mutual fund with Humana or other insurer will just have to take the loss. F*ck retirees and anybody that SAVED for a lifetime in order to fund their retirement.

Support the ghetto garbage instead.
Haiti, here we come....


Kamala should stick to BJs.
That's all she really knows.

ObamaCare was partial takeover of private health insurance. One example is that all individually owned health insurance policies must now include maternity coverage. Regardless of Sex or Age, your policy must cover you for maternity. This adds roughly $40 @ month to your health insurance premium.

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The left and others don't realize that when Obamacare was enacted, it gave the government control over costs.

All healthcare costs.

Any hospital that charged less was actually penalized.

So in order to receive Medicare reimbursements, all hospitals had to use the price structure issued by government.

For perspective, about 90 million people are on Medicaid in the U.S. and have little choices inside that system.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. 😀

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This site really isn't the majority opinion though.

news.gallup.com...

57% say government should ensure health coverage for all in U.S.
53% favor health system based on private insurance; 43%, a government-run one
72% of Democrats, 13% of Republicans support government-run system

I kinda like our ripped off Swiss system with the ACA. A nice middle ground between no assistance and socialism.

But, Bernie Sanders plan is actually awful.

www.rpc.senate.gov...

The proposed Medicare for All system could cost an additional $32 trillion and require a 20 percent tax increase to implement.

The 43% (inferred) that say the government should never run the Healthcare system or convert to a single payer model will never let that happen. Higher taxes kills it's appeal more broadly.

The Never Democrat percentage will always hover between 38 and 45% of the population. Taxes are already too high. The only thing that sells to the right is Ross Perot's Flat Tax he also ripped off from The Swiss. But that's generally lower, and requires massive decentralization and reduction to the federal government.

No democrat is ever pushing a flat tax. They'll rip off the Swiss Healthcare system, but leave ripping off their unregulated Tax Haven human-centipede to the Republicans.

Also this:

harris-campaign-not-push-medicare-for-al l-plan-despite-previous-support

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The left and others don't realize that when Obamacare was enacted, it gave the government control over costs.

All healthcare costs.

Any hospital that charged less was actually penalized.

So in order to receive Medicare reimbursements, all hospitals had to use the price structure issued by government.

I have a good friend that in her retirement runs the books for her town's ambulance service.

She is currently battling a situation where they charged too little for some transport runs between a smaller hospital and a regional one.

If they do not adjust their billing appropriately they will no longer be allowed to process Medicare/Medicaid payments.

Which means they can no longer offer the service to anyone on Medicare/Medicaid.

Which is half of their income stream.

The situation is crazy but a sign of the times, it seems...

KamalaCare and the land of 60% tax rates.

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Government is actually forcing higher medical costs.

Then they come out and say, "Costs are too high, we need to socialize" . . . . yet THEY were the ones inflating costs in the first place!

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
She’ll need to when she gives amnesty to every illegal in the country, which is going to be one of her first orders of business and she’ll want the taxpayers to pay for it. I can’t stand the commie traitor. She would love to see this country flushed down the crapper 🚽

If she was just a commie mutant traitor that would have been a brilliant paranoia reference. 👍

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Or just let me pay my money every month so I can get the best care available when and where I want to. Novel concept I know.

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originally posted by: Tolkien
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And how is that WHORE proposing to do that ?

She will buy out ALL private insurers ?
Or simply confiscate their businesses/clientele with no compensation.

And every shareholder and/or mutual fund with Humana or other insurer will just have to take the loss. F*ck retirees and anybody that SAVED for a lifetime in order to fund their retirement.

Support the ghetto garbage instead.
Haiti, here we come....


Kamala should stick to BJs.
That's all she really knows.

ObamaCare was partial takeover of private health insurance. One example is that all individually owned health insurance policies must now include maternity coverage. Regardless of Sex or Age, your policy must cover you for maternity. This adds roughly $40 @ month to your health insurance premium.

Except a full government takeover means the private firms no longer exist.
The whore will do that how ?

originally posted by: Tolkien

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Tolkien
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And how is that WHORE proposing to do that ?

She will buy out ALL private insurers ?
Or simply confiscate their businesses/clientele with no compensation.

And every shareholder and/or mutual fund with Humana or other insurer will just have to take the loss. F*ck retirees and anybody that SAVED for a lifetime in order to fund their retirement.

Support the ghetto garbage instead.
Haiti, here we come....


Kamala should stick to BJs.
That's all she really knows.

ObamaCare was partial takeover of private health insurance. One example is that all individually owned health insurance policies must now include maternity coverage. Regardless of Sex or Age, your policy must cover you for maternity. This adds roughly $40 @ month to your health insurance premium.

Except a full government takeover means the private firms no longer exist.
The whore will do that how ?